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Do you have any irrational fears?

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Postby unjovial » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:06 am UTC

Actually, I truly fear the possibility of ambiguity in spoken or written language.

I mean... you're not getting the impression of me that I want you to. You're just reading my words and deriving from them some meaning which is related to your experience with the words, the topic, myself, yourself and your current mood.

:? I'm scared.

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Postby Gelsamel » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:10 am UTC

unjovial wrote:Hold me?


I'm presuming you mean in a non-physical way. ;-)

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Postby unjovial » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:29 am UTC

Gelsamel wrote:
unjovial wrote:Hold me?


I'm presuming you mean in a non-physical way. ;-)


That depends...

Does your house have a green fence, by any chance? :wink:

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Postby Gelsamel » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:39 am UTC

Did, I just moved.

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Postby Gordon » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:42 am UTC

Considering your locations that'd be one mighty big fence.
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Postby unjovial » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:55 am UTC

Gordon wrote:Considering your locations that'd be one mighty big fence.


Not really. I swam to Australia on my lunchbreak once.

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Postby Belial » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:40 pm UTC

But what if we narrow the scope? If "egg" means "any egg" then yes, of course the egg came first. But what if we take "egg" to mean "a chicken egg"? Ahh, therein lays the conundrum!


Two simple answers.

If you accept evolution, then at some point, something that was *not quite* a chicken laid an egg that contained a chicken. Egg is first.

If you accept the 7-day creation story (because you're delusional) then god created chickens whole-cloth, and then they laid eggs. Chicken first.

unjovial wrote:Sometimes I think it's a bit sad that people are so afraid of insects. To me it represents the increasing 'cushiness' and declining knowledge that humans have about our natural environment. If we knew a particular curious insect was deadly we'd avoid or kill it, but instead we run and squeal instinctively if ANY insect larger than an ant invades our cushy little box-homes.

Or maybe we're not scared of insects at all, but we're just overcome with mistrust of our natural environment. Mistrust and awe, perhaps. A cicada flew into my room the other day and I immediately leapt up and backed away. Then I decided to harness the feeling of 'awe' and let go of the 'fear' part. I can't remember what happened in between, but the story ends with my 10 yr old neice roller-blading around with a cicada called "Germaine" on her shoulder. Germaine now rests eternally in a glass box in the hall.


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Postby Grincement » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:42 pm UTC

Belial wrote:The chicken v. egg is pretty much over. Dinosaurs were laying eggs way before chickens.


The best answer I got to this was when I ask a primary school teacher of mine.

Her response was "The chicken came first, because god created it first. Npw get back to your work"
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Postby Andrew » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:52 pm UTC

Phy wrote:
Owijad wrote:Why is it a problem? There's no ambiguity. It was the egg.
But what if we narrow the scope? If "egg" means "any egg" then yes, of course the egg came first. But what if we take "egg" to mean "a chicken egg"? Ahh, therein lays the conundrum!
Of course. If you don't define "egg" as "chicken egg".....

It's implicit and generally assumed that the word "egg" really means "chicken egg". But nobody's ever really defined "chicken egg" as either "an egg a chicken laid" or "an egg a chicken comes out of" (evidently Belial's definition) because for all practical purposes the definitions are equivalent, but for the case of this one chicken, the difference between them is crucial.

Whichever definition you take, the question becomes trivial. But I've seen people argue about it because they take different ones and it doesn't occur to them that the other person might be defining the question differently to them.

And I've seen much the same thing happen with a fair few other arguments.

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Postby Belial » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:36 pm UTC

It's implicit and generally assumed that the word "egg" really means "chicken egg". But nobody's ever really defined "chicken egg" as either "an egg a chicken laid" or "an egg a chicken comes out of" (evidently Belial's definition)


Once you clean off the cloacal fluids, an egg that a chicken comes out of is going to be physically identical, down to its contents, regardless of whether it came out of a chicken or some kind of freaky archeopteryx

Further, since "an egg a chicken comes out of" is the only definition for which the answer to "which came first" is even questionable, it's the only logical definition of chicken egg for this question. If you define it as "an egg laid by a chicken" that obviously answers the question right there in the terms, and you don't even need to ask it.
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Postby Mother Superior » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:45 pm UTC

Spiders, insects, anything that is small enough to be in my room for long periods without my knowledge deserves to die.
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Postby rachel » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:47 pm UTC

I am scared of zombies, and that seems to be a completely irrational fear.


Also sometimes, when I am home alone (or anywhere alone, really), and I am walking back from the bathroom or something I will get this feeling that something is behind me and I will have to run back to the chair or couch or wherever I was before I stop feeling like there is something just about to catch me. Catch me and eat me.
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Postby Belial » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:52 pm UTC

I am known to conduct full searches of my apartment if I notice something out of place when I am there alone.

Usually, I'm just absent minded.

Nevertheless, I check even the most ridiculous places something/someone could be hiding. And I'm usually armed.
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Postby Phy » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:09 pm UTC

unjovial wrote:Actually, I truly fear the possibility of ambiguity in spoken or written language.

I mean... you're not getting the impression of me that I want you to. You're just reading my words and deriving from them some meaning which is related to your experience with the words, the topic, myself, yourself and your current mood.

:? I'm scared.

Hold me?


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Postby Belial » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:10 pm UTC

Actually, I truly fear the possibility of ambiguity in spoken or written language.

I mean... you're not getting the impression of me that I want you to. You're just reading my words and deriving from them some meaning which is related to your experience with the words, the topic, myself, yourself and your current mood.

Confused I'm scared.

Hold me?


Read house of leaves. Scare the piss out of yourself.
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Postby Lani » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:12 pm UTC

I think I mentioned this on another thread, but if I'm in an unfamiliar bathroom and the shower curtain is drawn, I have to peek behind it to make sure there's no one hiding behind it.
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Postby fjafjan » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:52 pm UTC

lani wrote:I think I mentioned this on another thread, but if I'm in an unfamiliar bathroom and the shower curtain is drawn, I have to peek behind it to make sure there's no one hiding behind it.


I do this occasionally at home aswell, just when I am feeling paranoid though. Still, usually the curtains are pulled tot he side at home, so no need to look.

Also, Belial, what exactly are you armed with? :P
this comes to mind :D
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Postby Belial » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:54 pm UTC

Around the apartment? Usually either girl's ridiculously long kitchen knife, or else a tonfa.

Back when I lived with my parents, usually a revolver, or possibly a longsword.
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Postby Grincement » Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:41 pm UTC

rachel wrote:Also sometimes, when I am home alone (or anywhere alone, really), and I am walking back from the bathroom or something I will get this feeling that something is behind me and I will have to run back to the chair or couch or wherever I was before I stop feeling like there is something just about to catch me. Catch me and eat me.


Think I've told you all before but I cant stand windows when it's dark outside...not so much the window but I have visions of a bald headed man popping up outside and smiling eerily at me.

Also babysitting is probably when I scare myself the most. One time the toddler (who never wakes up) starts laughing up stairs. I wander up to see if she's alright and she's sat up in her cot giggling and pointing under her cot. I have images of a maniac or a ghost or something crouched under the bed (after stories i've heard about kids having another sense)So I turn the light on and slowly look under only to find she'd dropped her dummy (why was she laughing at this I've not a clue) but hey, it's great scarying yourself :D
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Postby Mother Superior » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:29 am UTC

I have a fear of axe-wielding homocidal maniacs.
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Postby unjovial » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:25 pm UTC

Belial wrote: Word, my non-insect-fearing brother


Word, son!

(I'm a girl, but you can call me brother. You're not *actually* my son, either.... Just in case you were wondering.)

Edit: Fixery of teh quote ...
Edit 2: sort of.
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Postby Belial » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:26 pm UTC

Woops. It's hard to tell.
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Postby Owijad » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:27 pm UTC

I think a breast title is in order, but I've a bad track record with titles...
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Postby Belial » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:28 pm UTC

Problem solved.
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Postby unjovial » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:30 pm UTC

HEY!

Whawhowhenhow? With my title...

Who did that? Belial....?

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Postby Belial » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:31 pm UTC

Guilty. Do you wish it removed?

::imagined it as slapping a post-it note on her forehead to remind him::
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Postby unjovial » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:32 pm UTC

Naaaw.

Makes me feel truly like one of the brothers now.

Apart from that, ya know, I'm female.

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Postby Owijad » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:37 pm UTC

You could be a sister, I guess.

My wished-for title would require both my being really really awesome, and not referring to a certain mod as Jeanette, neither of which seem terribly likely...
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Postby unjovial » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:42 pm UTC

To tell the truth, it's actually a (not so) secret pleasure of mine to be mistaken as a dude in forums.

In person however ...

Edit: Quote removal. The computer just stole some of my IQ, I think.

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Postby Traisenau » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:55 pm UTC

Ehh, my only real irrational fear which I have had(I've mostly gotten over it now) is my fear of coming down from heights, especially if said path down is kinda steep. I have no fear of heights, and on the way up I'm fine, but sometimes on the way down I get very nervous and gittery(I used to be almost unable to go down them). And I can trace this back to when I was 6, my family and I were visiting New Zealand, and on our tour we hiked up Lion's Rock, and on the way down, I slipped, gashed my head open, and nearly fell about 50 to rocks + cold water... fun. And I still have a kinda noticeable scar from this, cause a large chunk of my right eyebrow is still missing, Warriorness can attest to this.
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Postby unjovial » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:58 pm UTC

Johnthemage wrote:Ehh, my only real irrational fear which I have had(I've mostly gotten over it now) is my fear of coming down from heights, especially if said path down is kinda steep. I have no fear of heights, and on the way up I'm fine, but sometimes on the way down I get very nervous and gittery(I used to be almost unable to go down them). And I can trace this back to when I was 6, my family and I were visiting New Zealand, and on our tour we hiked up Lion's Rock, and on the way down, I slipped, gashed my head open, and nearly fell about 50 to rocks + cold water... fun. And I still have a kinda noticeable scar from this, cause a large chunk of my right eyebrow is still missing, Warriorness can attest to this.


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Postby Traisenau » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:02 pm UTC

Yay it nearly killed me :D :D :D


Oh Wait...

(seriously, it's kinda distrubing to slip, then have your head dangling over a 50 foot cliff with blood completely coving your eye... when you're 6)
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Postby Oort » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:19 pm UTC

The square root of 2 haunts my dreams. And spiders. Spiders with sqrt2 legs.

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Postby Andrew » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:24 pm UTC

Oort wrote:Spiders with sqrt2 legs.

...I think you could outrun them.

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Postby Miike » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:37 pm UTC

BEES.

And a couple nightmares I've had have inspired a little bit of instinctive loathing, but not fear per se.

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Postby Oort » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:21 pm UTC

Not if they're 50 feet tall and telekinetic.

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Postby unjovial » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:54 am UTC

Johnthemage wrote:Yay it nearly killed me :D :D :D


Oh Wait...

(seriously, it's kinda distrubing to slip, then have your head dangling over a 50 foot cliff with blood completely coving your eye... when you're 6)


Aww. *pets* I'm delighted that you survived to tell the tale, though. :)

ps. Falling on jagged rocks is a rational fear, whilst climbing said rocks. The fear of falling on jagged rocks, whilst playing monopoly with your friends at home: irrational. Just out of curiosity, which is yours?

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Postby thefiddler » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:56 am UTC

Irrational fear: TBIL hates me. >.>

I know I'm probably just being paranoid, but... *sigh*

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Postby elminster » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:06 am UTC

"Which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

Depends at what point of evolution you call a bird a chicken.

If a egg was born with or without a trait that made it a 'chicken' by definition, then it was the egg.
If a living bird was subjected to natural mutagens (or anything that could change it into a chicken) that made it into a chicken, then it would be the chicken.

Probability that it was the egg is generally higher since the percentage of changes within a bird are much larger when being newly developed.

I have a friend who has a irrational fear of dogs, regardless of how cute they are (he got attacked by a german shepard when young).
Got a claustrophobic friend, who somtimes gets scared even looking at small spaces (he got stuck in a barrel when he was younger).

I dont have any 'irrational' fears, i dont have the full ability to comprehend it either, which makes it kinda confusing when people mention things like it. :?
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Postby warriorness » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:23 am UTC

unjovial wrote:
Johnthemage wrote:Yay it nearly killed me :D :D :D


Oh Wait...

(seriously, it's kinda distrubing to slip, then have your head dangling over a 50 foot cliff with blood completely coving your eye... when you're 6)


Aww. *pets* I'm delighted that you survived to tell the tale, though. :)


The anthropic principle guarantees that nobody here has ever died from their irrational fears.

I love the anthropic principle. I'd even go so far as to say it's my favorite of all scientific principles - probably because of its base in sheer logic and its applicability to so many different situations.
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