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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Aaeriele » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:51 am UTC

Oh, I think I see. You never NULL out the entry in 'data' after you remove the last value from it in table<RecordType>::remove - so it never gets set back to NULL when you remove the last item from it. Thus, if the # of items in a hash bucket ever goes from 1 to 0 and then you try to look up something that would fall in that bucket again, you'll try to dereference a pointer to freed memory.

You'd think that your list remove functions would null it out, since it passes by reference, but you're passing cursor by reference to list_head_remove(), not data[hash_value]. So the value in the stack variable 'cursor' gets nulled out but the actual value in 'data' does not.
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Postby Brace » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:11 am UTC

It crashes before it gets a chance to delete anything though. It goes into the for loop in the test program, succesfully puts a value into testRecord.data and testRecord.key, and then crashes the first time it calls testTable.insert(testRecord)
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Postby poxic » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:13 am UTC

Today I learn: this thread is a good place to ask for coding help.
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Postby Aaeriele » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:20 am UTC

[redacted] wrote:It's actually at insert where the segfault occurs. In the constructor, she loops over data[i] = NULL; setting every entry to NULL. In insert, she has:

cursor = data[hash_value];
if (cursor->link() == NULL)

which segfaults because data[hash_value] was initialized to NULL. To me, it looks like a separate chaining assignment and the problem seems to be in the code that maintains the lists.


Yep, that too. Looks like two separate bugs with similar causes. That one is probably fixable by just adding a "cursor == NULL" case in insert. I was looking at the wrong "cursor->link() == NULL" line because Brace didn't specify. :)

Regarding the bug I pointed out, on general, I tend to dislike code that relies on pass-by-reference to null out pointers to freed values - it's generally safer to get in the habit of nulling out pointers yourself after you do something which would free whatever they're pointing to.
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Postby Brace » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:26 am UTC

the insert function works after changing if (cursor->link == null) to if (cursor == null). The delete function still doesn't work

Edit: Actually, no, the insert function or the search function doesn't work. It's just that the program no longer crashes.
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Postby Aaeriele » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:37 am UTC

Brace wrote:the insert function works after changing if (cursor->link == null) to if (cursor == null). The delete function still doesn't work

Edit: Actually, no, the insert function or the search function doesn't work. It's just that the program no longer crashes.


Well, now that things no longer crash you should be more free to either poke around more in gdb or add plenty of gratuitous printf's to help you get a sense of what is actually happening (or not happening, as the case may be).
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Postby Shivahn » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:26 am UTC

Monika wrote:gdb is a C++ debugger, right? She wrote she gets the segfault when trying to debug. Is gdb a more advanced debugger that gives more information?

I want to try to run the program on my computer, but it seems to rely on code not listed, a node class from the main_savitch_6B namespace if I read this right (I am not big in C++, more of a Java person).

Debugging is simply the process of trying to find and eliminate bugs in the program. gdb is an actual debugger, which is basically a set of tools that greatly help with finding bugs.

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Segfaults are pains in the ass to find because you never know exactly where the problems are - you just all of a sudden access some memory at some point and the program terminates. And it might not even terminate the same time or at all on different runs, because of the nature of the problem. When you segfault, though, gdb lets you freeze at that point and trace your way back to see what was called. I haven't programmed seriously in a while, but I do remember that gdb is a godsend for segfaults. Though the best thing I've found for segfaults is better code design: smart pointers and classes that free all their memory if it isn't already on destruction are sort of awesome.


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Postby sambot5 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:34 pm UTC

I feel so crude for debugging with print statements...
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Postby poxic » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:41 pm UTC

Everyone's gotta printf somewhere. :wink:
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Postby throwawaynoway » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:47 pm UTC

I genuinely can't work out if I'm actually bisexual or I'm just so bored with 'straight' sex that I'm looking for new and different things to get me off. It's a... bizarre feeling.

Irregardless, I don't feel the need to tell anyone about it. Apart from maybe venting slightly, here.

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Postby Monika » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:15 am UTC

sambot5 wrote:I feel so crude for debugging with print statements...

I recently read an article that was something like "8 things in programming that you are told not to do that are actually great" and debugging with print statements was one of them! :D I use tons of print statements.

throwawaynoway wrote:I genuinely can't work out if I'm actually bisexual or I'm just so bored with 'straight' sex that I'm looking for new and different things to get me off. It's a... bizarre feeling.

Regardless, I don't feel the need to tell anyone about it. Apart from maybe venting slightly, here.

How about you have some sex with people of your sex/gender and then see how it feels? It was surprisingly easy to find other bi/bicurious/heteroflexible people who are willing to participate for me. You don't have to decide now whether you are "actually bisexual". Actually you have to decide never, but maybe you want to decide later and are able to, too. Sexual orientation is on a scale (or multiple scales ... or a multidimensional grid), too, e.g. you can use the Kinsey Scale to express your sexuality, or be bicurious or heteroflexible or questioning or queer or never use any label for your sexuality or whatever you like. Hell, if you're "weregay" - who should be allowed to care or judge?
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Postby throwawaynoway » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:20 am UTC

I'm male and have a longterm girlfriend. So far my experimentation has purely been pornography viewing.

I think I'm pretty happy to just keep quiet for now.

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Postby Monika » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:33 am UTC

Your girlfriend might be up to a poly relationship. You can ask her when you feel the need for some physical experimentation. My husband is very supportive and in the bi women's dating environment I am part of survey's showed that 90% of the male partners were supportive ... not sure if it's similarly so for the female partners of bi men.
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Postby PM 2Ring » Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:41 am UTC

poxic wrote:Today I learn: this thread is a good place to ask for coding help.


Well, there are a lot of programmers here. But maybe we should keep the coding stuff in the actual coding forum, so as to not bore the non-programmers in this thread, even if they are in the minority. :)

Monika wrote:
sambot5 wrote:I feel so crude for debugging with print statements...

I recently read an article that was something like "8 things in programming that you are told not to do that are actually great" and debugging with print statements was one of them! :D I use tons of print statements.


Me, too!

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Postby NovaNatalia » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:45 pm UTC

I feel like I'm abusing my friends. I'm always going to them for emotional support that I'm worried I'm alienating them, and that they won't want to be my friends any more. And I know if I suggested that they'd be very upset, and I don't know what I'm trying to say but I'm very sad at the moment and just wanted to type something to someone.
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Postby Monika » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:16 pm UTC

*offers hugs to natasha*
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Postby Virtual_Aardvark » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:30 pm UTC

@Natasha: Spoil'd for long and rambly:
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I totally understand (not the specifics obvs.) You *need* to talk with someone but it's so often that you feel you're putting an unfair burden on people. And then what if they start to only talk to you out of obligation or get really sick of you and leave?

What helps (some) for me is to put up serious boundaries with everyone important to me. I believe myself to be a toxic person and I fear hurting people I love by way of neediness and dragging them down with me. I tell all my friends this and make sure they understand that this is something that *I* fear. It doesn't mean they're bad friends, it means sometime I need to be reassured that they won't pick up if they don't want to. I once called my best friend feeling suicidal and he told me he was too tired to talk. Suddenly every conversation we'd had when I was depressed or in crisis was validated. If sometimes he hangs up then sometimes he *does* want to talk to me. Woo contradictions and illogical thinking!


Tl;dr When you're depressed your brain will twist even love into something wrong and bad. And it feels like there's no safe way to check without being insulting. And that sucks. But you're probably not being overbearing or somesuch. And even if you are people who love you won't mind too much. It's hard, but trust that they'll take steps back when they need to.

I know it's not the same but feel free to PM me if you're scared of overburdening someone IRL. I have Skype and am often up at odd hours.
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Postby Becani » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:16 am UTC

I just spent an hour on the phone with my mother.

it was a good call. I'm glad that I'm being able to reconnect with my mother after all that ick.

It feels good.

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Postby Aaeriele » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:54 am UTC

Yay.
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Postby Brace » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:00 am UTC

I got all my trig homework done. I'm stuck on another programming assignment though, and although this one makes a lot of sense, I still can't figure out my way around it. I need to write two 2-page wireless network security papers by tomorrow at midnight. I've been very depressed. I've been playing Civ 5 and drinking instead of doing anything productive.
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Postby Brace » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:37 am UTC

ok, got the program working, as if by magic. Thank god, I get to finish the day having done an actual thing.
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Postby Carlington » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:35 am UTC

Hi everyone!

I've been lurking this thread for a while, not posting, just reading and learning. I'd like to say that having read the goings-on in here has definitely helped to open my eyes to a whole world of issues that my privilege has protected and sheltered me from for far too long. So thank you all for that, to begin with.

At the moment, I'm pretty sure I'm just a hetero cismale, and that's what I identify as, so I hope I'm not breaking some unspoken rule by posting in here.
I just wanted to ask if there's a standard pronunciation for the non-binary, non-gender specific, third-person pronouns. In a written context, I can use and understand them all just fine, but in a spoken context I think I'd have some difficulty pronouncing them, and this could potentially cause offence, I think.

For example, in my dialect, there would be a her/hir merger, unless the i in hir is a short I, which would make it sound closer to "hear" but with a shorter vowel sound. In this case, if I were speaking to somebody who prefers hir, ze could potentially be offended by my hir/her merger, if misconstrued.
Another example is Xe/Xem/Xyr. The initial consonant isn't made very clear by the choice of letter. The letter X can be used to represent a multitude of sounds. I have seen it used variously for the final sound in the Scottish word loch, or as the sound represented by "ch" in German, or the letter Gen in Arabic. I have also seen it used to represent various sounds in transliterated Chinese words, as well as being used to represent the initial sound from "cheese" in Spanish and dialects thereof (the name Xavi, for one example), and finally I have seen it used to represent an English Z sound, in names like Xavier and words like xylophone. That's not to mention its use for click sounds in various languages, Xhoti being an example, and the "ks" sound as seen in "example". I would assume it would be pronounced either as "Z" or "ks", but if it's pronounced as "Z" then it becomes indistinguishable from "ze", unless the z in "ze" is used to represent an initial "ts" sound, as it would be used in German.

I realise a few of these cases can be easily discounted, but this is something I'd really rather get right, because I don't want to offend people because of my own clumsiness and inability to properly pronounce these pronouns.

Again, if this is not the appropriate place for this question, or if this is not a place for hetero cismen to post, feel free to oust me to wherever is appropriate, I just figure that, if anywhere, this would be the place to ask.
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Postby Monika » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:48 am UTC

I had the same question and asked some trans people in #xkcd-q, I was told ze rhymes with he/she and hir is pronounced like here. But in my head I very often make the same mistake of pronouncing it like her. Luckily I very rarely speak (with voice) in English about LGBT things.
I am also not sure about the x. I thought it's ks (to distinguish it from z), but I don't really know.

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Postby Carlington » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:51 am UTC

Ah, danke. :)
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Postby apricity » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:54 am UTC

Carlington: Welcome! Yes, anyone is allowed to post here as long as they treat it as a safe space. However, this is a thread primarily for support, so people can come here and talk about their own experiences rather than provide education (which they may have to do in many other spaces in their lives outside of this thread). If people would like to respond to your question, that is okay since it's already here, but in the future it would be preferable if you visit a different thread to ask questions. However, you are still welcome to post here in support of others. If you ever have questions about whether something is appropriate to post here, you can also feel free to PM me to ask. Thank you!
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Postby Carlington » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:14 am UTC

lanicita wrote:Carlington: Welcome! Yes, anyone is allowed to post here as long as they treat it as a safe space. However, this is a thread primarily for support, so people can come here and talk about their own experiences rather than provide education (which they may have to do in many other spaces in their lives outside of this thread). If people would like to respond to your question, that is okay since it's already here, but in the future it would be preferable if you visit a different thread to ask questions. However, you are still welcome to post here in support of others. If you ever have questions about whether something is appropriate to post here, you can also feel free to PM me to ask. Thank you!

Thankee kindly for the help, and also for the suggestions. I wouldn't dream of treating a safespace as anything but, and, as such, will direct questions elsewhere in future. I also think it's really great that people still care enough to make and respect safespaces like this. Happy foruming! =)
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Postby Becani » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:26 pm UTC

I had a dream last night in which I had an Orchiectomy done!

I was so disappointed heartbroken when I woke up. ;_;

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Postby PerchloricAcid » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:42 pm UTC

I really like your post, Carlington. Thanks for wanting to take care about such things. :)

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Postby Carlington » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:53 am UTC

PerchloricAcid wrote:I really like your post, Carlington. Thanks for wanting to take care about such things. :)

I don't see it as something that should require thanks - it should really be second nature - but I do appreciate the sentiment. Thank you =)
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Postby PerchloricAcid » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:22 am UTC

I live in a homophobic and transphobic environment. Most people would not only refrain from doing what you asked about, but would mock it and call it stupid, unnecessary and such, so I really lighten up when I see people caring about those things. :)

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Postby Carlington » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:23 am UTC

PerchloricAcid wrote:I live in a homophobic and transphobic environment. Most people would not only refrain from doing what you asked about, but would mock it and call it stupid, unnecessary and such, so I really lighten up when I see people caring about those things. :)

Ah, that's no good. Sometimes it just seems like people are being silly for being silly's sake.
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Postby Shivahn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:51 am UTC

Whooo!

It's my birthday!

Happy birthday me!

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Postby XJ_0 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:00 am UTC

Shivahn wrote:Whooo!

It's my birthday!

Happy birthday me!

*Hugs Shivahn gleefully* Whoooo! :D I'm so happy to hear this too

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Postby PM 2Ring » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:17 am UTC

Happy Birthday, Shivahn! * hugs *


Hi, Carlington. We can always do with more allies! Maybe we need an easy-to-find LGBTIQQA education thread for general questions. Lots of us don't mind answering such questions (when we can), but as lanicita said they can be annoying in a safespace for people who have to explain the same old shit over & over in other spaces.

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Postby Carlington » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:21 am UTC

PM 2Ring wrote:Happy Birthday, Shivahn! * hugs *


Hi, Carlington. We can always do with more allies! Maybe we need an easy-to-find LGBTIQQA education thread for general questions. Lots of us don't mind answering such questions (when we can), but as lanicita said they can be annoying in a safespace for people who have to explain the same old shit over & over in other spaces.

That sounds like a really good idea, but I guess it's one of those "subject-to-demand"-type things. If there's not an abundance of questions to be asked, then the thread will wither. Yeah, I see now how it could be annoying. This is, like, "off" time, away from everything that interacting with the world entails. I may be back in here to talk later, I think, but until and unless that happens, I'm quite content to lurk and learn, as long as that's alright with everybody here.
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Postby Shivahn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:41 am UTC

*Hugs* for everyone! Happy times!

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Postby Carlington » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:50 am UTC

Oh, and *birthday hugs* for Shivahn! Didn't see that post.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Shivahn » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:38 am UTC

:P

*Hugs*

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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Brace » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:51 am UTC

Happy birthday
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby netcrusher88 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:24 am UTC

Happy birthday!
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