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Politically, do you lean conservative or liberal? (Not the crazy kinds)

Conservative
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9%
Liberal
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76%
I really really don't like either one
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15%
 
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Do you lean conservative or liberal?

Postby space_raptor » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:45 pm UTC

I mean by the true definition of the words. This poll has nothing to do with being a Democrat or a Republican or a New Democrat or in Labour or whatever political party. Simple, do you lean right or left?

I'm conservative.

I am curious to see if there's a significant majority either way, especially considering the typical audience in this forum.

In high school I was definitely a liberal, and now I'm very conservative. At least by Canadian standards.

Canada's whole political spectrum is shifted pretty far to the left already, though.
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Postby Belial » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:50 pm UTC

Socially extremely liberal.

Fiscally weird as shit.
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Postby Aoeniac » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:52 pm UTC

As far as I can tell I'm what they call a "radical", which is the opposite of "reactionary".

That makes me the "extraordinarily far left". The kind of person who thinks leftists are wimps and the right is a bunch of wahoos.

Such is my life. Not like I make a big deal about it. Nobody ever talks to me about politics in REAL LIFE anyway, they know better.
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Postby Akula » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:54 pm UTC

Socially Liberal
Economically Conservative
Hawkish on foreign affairs

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Postby Aoeniac » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:58 pm UTC

What's interesting to note, is that as far as the United States goes, despite news coverage suggesting a huge ideological polarization, sensationalizing "red states" vs "blue states" and presenting diametrically opposed figureheads for liberals and conservatives that have dramatically different views... the actual statistics show that most Americans are pretty much moderate, with only a slight leaning towards either liberal or conservative affiliation.

I thought that was kind of funny.
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Postby Akula » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:03 pm UTC

Aoeniac wrote:What's interesting to note, is that as far as the United States goes, despite news coverage suggesting a huge ideological polarization, sensationalizing "red states" vs "blue states" and presenting diametrically opposed figureheads for liberals and conservatives that have dramatically different views... the actual statistics show that most Americans are pretty much moderate, with only a slight leaning towards either liberal or conservative affiliation.

I thought that was kind of funny.


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Postby Belial » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:03 pm UTC

Well...statistics. How are those gathered?

Because most people will *claim* to be moderate, because both the left and right are seen as "unreasonable extremes" and no one wants to believe they're extreme. Everyone thinks their views are reasonable and moderate.

Well, except me. I know I'm extreme. It's pretty awesome.
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Postby JuliaGlass » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:12 pm UTC

I am politically apathetic.

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Postby Roffle » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:28 pm UTC

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Postby Belial » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:29 pm UTC

Political apathy always makes me think of all my shiny new stolen possessions.
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Postby 3.14159265... » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:40 pm UTC

Canada is not leaning left right now, we have a conservative minority government....

But our liberals ROCK, come on you HAVE to admit, on this one point liberal are cooler for at least another 30 years.

During the build up for the Iraq war, harper (consevative prime minister now) was jumping around saying, yess we fight fight lets go fight we shud fight come on why arn't we fighting yet..... and the then liberal prime minister is like.... "NO".

I am a liberal by all standards, as an Afghan I am LLIIBBEERRAALL
and as a Canadian I am LIBERAL

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Postby d3adf001 » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:46 pm UTC

i guess i would fall under libertarian or paeloconservitive. pretty much i hate anything that is subsadized to the point were i guess i would be an anarchcapitalist(like welfare and medicare why should my money pay for other people (exceptions are army because a privitzed army would suck and roads)) that the less the government does the better, that the role of the government is to protect the people from big money corps, but i have very liberal ideals in personal privicy freedom of speech and shit like that.

i am a registered republican but i hate neoconservites because they are just liberals in dress

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Postby athelas » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:07 pm UTC

I'm pretty much a conservative, particularly in economic and foreign affairs. In social issues, I find much of leftist ideology (the welfare state, shifting of blame from individuals to society, and modern - as opposed to earlier moderate - feminism and minority activists) unpalatable. On the other hand, there are some conservative positions that have a purely religious impetus, such as pushing for inclusion of creationism in public schools, which I rather disagree with. Overall, though, fairly conservative.

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Postby siren » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:13 pm UTC

I am a liberal and a pacifist... i could be easily characterized as a hippie with fewer drugs. In general i believe in the right for life...for everything...animals, plants, all the stuff in the world we've screwed up.

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Postby Lani » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:14 pm UTC

siren wrote:I am a liberal and a pacifist... i could be easily characterized as a hippie with fewer drugs. In general i believe in the right for life...for everything...animals, plants, all the stuff in the world we've screwed up.


Me too, exactly.
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Postby Ren » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:23 pm UTC

I'm fiscally Liberal (Socialism, for the win!), and environmentally Green.

Morally, I don't know. Somewhere out there. *points outside*

In the next election I'll probably vote Green (which is sad, because they're quite Conservative fiscally), unless someone who is a competent/charistmatic/awesome politician steps up to the plate. Which is unlikely, since Pierre Trudeau died several years ago. *Tear*
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Postby 3.14159265... » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:26 pm UTC

*man in orange dress shirt walks in*

*has a charismatic smile*

Hi Ren. I am Layton, Jack Layton.
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Postby Ren » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:28 pm UTC

"Hello Mr. Layton. You have a funny moustache. Please go away."

(I'm not that shallow, I promise.)
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Postby Belial » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:28 pm UTC

In the next election I'll probably vote Green (which is sad, because they're quite Conservative fiscally), unless someone who is a competent/charistmatic/awesome politician steps up to the plate. Which is unlikely, since Pierre Trudeau died several years ago. *Tear*


God I wish we had a green party worth a shit over here...
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Postby 3.14159265... » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:30 pm UTC

*Runs home crying to olivia chow*

She will get you for this *cries some more*



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Postby Yakk » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:57 pm UTC

<-- Economically Market Socialist.
Socially Libertarian.
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Postby space_raptor » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:20 pm UTC

3.14159265... wrote:Canada is not leaning left right now, we have a conservative minority government....

But our liberals ROCK, come on you HAVE to admit, on this one point liberal are cooler for at least another 30 years.

During the build up for the Iraq war, harper (consevative prime minister now) was jumping around saying, yess we fight fight lets go fight we shud fight come on why arn't we fighting yet..... and the then liberal prime minister is like.... "NO".

Uh, I'm pretty sure that's not what happened, exactly. Whatever.

I meant Canada in general is more left than a lot of other countries, particularly the US. Our Conservatives would probably be Democrats in the US.
I like the Greens though. They make a strong sorta middle party, fiscally conservative, socially liberal, which I like. I don't mind the NDP, somebody's got to be the crazy leftie, and I think it's good to have somebody keeping us left, and somebody keeping us right. Balance is good. I really don't like the Liberal Party of Canada. I thought the Liberal party was ineffective at best, and corrupt scum at worst. I don't mind liberal principles in general, but as far as I could tell the Liberal Party didn't have any principles. I'm from Alberta though, there must be something in the water making us conservative.

So far mostly liberal! Neat. I wonder if that's got anything to do with the overall youth of teh fora users. I am reminded of this quote:
Winston Churchill wrote:If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain".

Heh.
I'm 23, so it kinda hurts to think that I have no heart. Ah well, I was always a precocious child.

Maybe it's that I just don't like change. :)
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Postby Jesse » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:23 pm UTC

Liberal. My mother is a member of the UKIP party (UK Independence Party), ran for MP in the Salford district. We fight and fight for hours over this. I'm both canvassing and voting for my local Green party candidate because our Labour is Conservative, our Conservatives are insane, and our Liberal Democrats are drunk and useless.

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Postby kbreyette » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:40 pm UTC

I've generally considered myself to be very liberal.
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Postby Yakk » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:48 pm UTC

Canada is left wing compared to the USA.

Canada is right wing compared to nearly every other modern western nation on the planet.

So saying Canada is "a left wing nation" shows a bit of bias. :) Bad Bertie!

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Postby space_raptor » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:52 pm UTC

In the last Canadian election, a lot of people I know voted for the Green party. Seems like it's fairly popular in this thread, as well. I wonder if parties like the Greens will become more popular in the future, particularly with young people? Lots of social liberals/fiscal conservatives out there, I bet.

I would have voted for the Green party candidate in my riding, except she was 18 years old, and didn't really have a platform, or anything. Seemed like she was doing it as a school project, or something. The Conservative guy in my old riding is probably the farthest guy to the right in all of Canadian politics. What a nutjob. Couldn't vote for him either. Oh well.

Yakk wrote:Canada is right wing compared to nearly every other modern western nation on the planet.

Hey! Canada legalized gay marriage, has universal health care, and is known for not enforcing pot laws too hard. I'd say we're left wing enough.
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Postby Tractor » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:07 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Canada is left wing compared to the USA.

Canada is right wing compared to nearly every other modern western nation on the planet.


So, then if one were decently left wing in the US, it would be at best somewhere middle-of-the-road worldwide.
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Postby Yakk » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:10 pm UTC

space_raptor wrote:Hey! Canada legalized gay marriage, has universal health care, and is known for not enforcing pot laws too hard. I'd say we're left wing enough.


Let's build a sampling of modern high-power industrial economies:

Japan, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Ireland, Austrailia, USA, Canada, Israel, Netherlands, Belgium, Kiwistan.

Universal Health Care: USA doesn't have it. Which others don't have it?

Legal Gay Marriage: Parts of USA have it. UK, Canada. Civil unions in Italy, Germany, France, Kiwistan. Legal in Spain. Illegal in Ireland. Others?

Pot laws: Italy, USA have draconian laws and enforcement. Anyone else?

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Postby 3.14159265... » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:14 pm UTC

Canada isn't left, dude, we have a fricking conservative government, serioulsy, our current prime minister is conservative, and tried to change the constitution so he cud change back legalizing gay marrige.

Green party leader parachuted into my riding because we had a by-election, almost won too, first green seat.

Also, NDP has a record of having 'greener' platforms than the green part *shifts eyes around*
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Postby bbctol » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:15 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Legal Gay Marriage: Parts of USA have it.

Massachusetts Pride! Yeah, I lean left, but this might simply be because the only Republican I've lived through has been Bush.

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Postby Akira » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:32 pm UTC

I honestly had no CLUE where I stand, so I have let a quiz tell me:

Your Political Profile:

Overall: 45% Conservative, 55% Liberal
Social Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
Fiscal Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
Ethics: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

http://www.blogthings.com/howliberalorconservativeareyouquiz/
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Postby Tractor » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:49 pm UTC

hrm, the quiz gives me a 45 conservative/55 liberal split too...not unexpected.
9 x 6 = 42



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Postby LE4dGOLEM » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:53 pm UTC

I support the proper execution of Communism, so I guess I'm a left-winger

EDIT: Quiz says...

Your Political Profile:

Overall: 40% Conservative, 60% Liberal

Social Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
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Postby SpitValve » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:56 pm UTC

I tried that quiz, but when I got to:

Public education could be improved by
a)Having a voucher system
b)Revoking No Child Left Behind


I figured the quiz is only made for people who follow North American politics... (i.e. what is a voucher system? what is "no child left behind" ?)

Anyway... I'm not really sure what I am. I think it's a silly American thing to try to box yourself like that...

I believe in Christian morality, and I'm against abortion, civil unions, and so on
I believe in benefits to help those within our country, and funding aid work to help those outside
I believe in protecting the environment as much as possible
And I'm generally against war as a general principle, but am not entirely decided
Edit: and also I don't see the point in owning guns other than for hunting. Certainly there's no point in giving people pistols and so on

So what does that make me?
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Postby Akira » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:58 pm UTC

SpitValve wrote:I tried that quiz, but when I got to:

Public education could be improved by
a)Having a voucher system
b)Revoking No Child Left Behind


I figured the quiz is only made for people who follow North American politics... (i.e. what is a voucher system? what is "no child left behind" ?)

Anyway... I'm not really sure what I am. I think it's a silly American thing to try to box yourself like that...

I believe in Christian morality, and I'm against abortion, civil unions, and so on
I believe in benefits to help those within our country, and funding aid work to help those outside
I believe in protecting the environment as much as possible
And I'm generally against war as a general principle, but am not entirely decided.




No Child Left Behind... Heck, most AMERICANS don't understand that peice of work.


So what does that make me?


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Postby kbreyette » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:46 pm UTC

Count me in on the quiz =)

Overall: 10% Conservative, 90% Liberal

Social Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
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Postby Toeofdoom » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:54 pm UTC

Okay, so I dont know some of your fancy terms for whatever the hell some of those things are but I got

Overall: 15% Conservative, 85% Liberal

Social Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
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Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:05 pm UTC

I'm left, but I do subscribe to some conservative stances, such as being against abortion. I, unfortunately, have to vote in the next Canadian election (unless there happens to be a vote of non-confidence VERY soon). Probably voting NDP.


My quiz results were:

Overall: 15% Conservative, 85% Liberal

Social Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

Ethics: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Edit: When I say I have to vote, I mean I feel morally obliged to. Ie, the whole responsible, involved citizen crap.
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Postby Ren » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:13 pm UTC

This is me (different quiz):
Economic Democrat

You want government out of your personal life, at least to some degree. But you want more government in your economic life. Politically, you appear to be a solid Democrat, though you might also find the Green Party appealing.

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Postby space_raptor » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:27 pm UTC

3.14159265... wrote:Canada isn't left, dude, we have a fricking conservative government, serioulsy, our current prime minister is conservative, and tried to change the constitution so he cud change back legalizing gay marrige.

Again, that's really not at all what happened. Whatever.

I just meant that Canada in general is fairly socialist compared to, say, the US. Which I'm fine with.

The Conservative party is really not that far right compared to the Liberals.

I started taking the quiz, but most of the choices were kinda ridiculous, so I don't think it'll accurately depict my views. Mostly my views are "Whatever gets the job done in the most efficient manner", so I dunno how that applies to certain parts of the test.

Yakk, I know Sweden, and I assume Denmark, have gay unions. Not that that's necessarily a left/right issue.

Kiwistan? Ohhhhhhhh, I get it. Heh.
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