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How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby gbagcn2 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:20 pm UTC

Say there was a person who needed to get up in the morning for work but lived alone before alarm clocks. How would that person be able to wake up?

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Enuja » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:24 pm UTC

I think that your premise is flawed. I don't think that people lived alone AND had to get to work at a certain time before alarm clocks. That said, people can train themselves to wake up at the same time every day, and if you can't, you can pay someone who can to wake you up. Also, the loud "factory whistle" can sound at intervals sufficient to wake workers up before their shift.

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Whelan » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:53 pm UTC

Sleep by an East-facing Window and get up before sunrise, perhaps?
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Indon » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:00 pm UTC

Yeah, I'd go with Sunrise/Dawn as well.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Angua » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:18 pm UTC

Also, drink a lot before going to bed then needing to pee the next morning.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby notzeb » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:06 pm UTC

I can time when I wake up if I care strongly enough about it. For instance, I'll be like, "I've gotta get up by 7 am tomorrow, which is precisely 6 hours from now, or else I'll miss a chance to take over the world." The next morning, I'll wake up at precisely 6:30, fifteen minutes before my alarm goes off (no matter how tired). I never understood why I always wake up half an hour earlier than I plan, though...

This might be related to the fact that I once spent an entire semester waking up at like 7:30 in the morning to catch a bus to school using nothing but the "reminder" feature on my phone (which would make a very quiet beep once every five minutes).

I have no sympathy for people who can't wake up in the mornings. Seriously? You actually snooze your super f***ing loud alarm clock for thirty minutes straight? WHY THE F*** DIDN'T YOU SET IT FOR THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY NEEDED TO GET UP INSTEAD OF WAKING ME UP AT A GODAWFUL TIME IN THE MORNING TO FORCE ME TO GET YOU TO TURN THE D*** THING OFF?! I WAS HAVING VERY PLEASANT DREAMS UNTIL YOUR PIECE OF S*** -

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby poxic » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:53 am UTC

Someone having issues?

There was actually a person in many towns called the knocker-up. While they might indeed have caused several pregnancies in the surrounding area, their primary role was to get up really early and bang on their clients' windows with a stick. This apparently started during the Industrial Revolution when there was a need to get to the factory by a certain time each day. (Before then, industry was based in your own home or at the smithy/whatsit in town, and you likely got to work "morningish".)
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby sje46 » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:05 am UTC

Never heard of knocker-ups! Very interesting.
I assume that before that or for people who couldn't afford that, people did what everyone else has already suggested. Roosters for farmers and I'm willing to bet that people tended to sleep towards the sun when they could . .except that the sun tends to rise in a different place and different time during the year.
Probably, though, they were probably always in the habit. They are woken up early by their parents and just always stayed that way. And if they get off schedule, I'm sure that the other people in the house (and I do believe that before WW2 people generally lived with larger households) would wake them up.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby poxic » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:23 am UTC

The other thing we tend to forget is that people followed the sun. They went to bed when it was dark and got up when it was light.

Since there's an average of 12 hours each of light and dark each day, roughly, that's a lot of time to stay asleep. There was a tradition of "the watch" -- sorry, haven't been able to find online references -- when people naturally woke up after the first few hours of sleep. They stoked the fire, had a snack, maybe had sex since the kids were conveniently asleep, then went back to sleep until the sun woke them for the day.

I kinda like that schedule. You sleep more during the winter when it's crappy outside anyway, and sleep less during summer when there's a buttload of work to be done hunting/gathering/farming/whatnot.

The other tradition I like was a typical work schedule. If you were (say) the town's weaver, you sat on your ass for a few days, then wove like hell for a few days to get everything done. Sort of a three-on, three-off thing. Me likey. The Industrial Revolution has a lot to answer for, I tells ya.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby LinuxPenguin » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:05 am UTC

I almost always wake up about 10 to 15 minutes before my alarm goes off. :shrug:
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Walter.Horvath » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:12 am UTC

notzeb wrote:I have no sympathy for people who can't wake up in the mornings. Seriously? You actually snooze your super f***ing loud alarm clock for thirty minutes straight? WHY THE F*** DIDN'T YOU SET IT FOR THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY NEEDED TO GET UP INSTEAD OF WAKING ME UP AT A GODAWFUL TIME IN THE MORNING TO FORCE ME TO GET YOU TO TURN THE D*** THING OFF?! I WAS HAVING VERY PLEASANT DREAMS UNTIL YOUR PIECE OF S***

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I have a problem waking up even with alarm clocks... I have two of the loudest (and most annoying) ones I've ever heard in my room, and I can sleep through both of them simultaneously until someone else in the house gets pissed enough to wake me up to turn them up. I have a nice bed :)

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Madwolf » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:43 am UTC

notzeb wrote:I have no sympathy for people who can't wake up in the mornings. Seriously? You actually snooze your super f***ing loud alarm clock for thirty minutes straight? WHY THE F*** DIDN'T YOU SET IT FOR THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY NEEDED TO GET UP INSTEAD OF WAKING ME UP AT A GODAWFUL TIME IN THE MORNING TO FORCE ME TO GET YOU TO TURN THE D*** THING OFF?! I WAS HAVING VERY PLEASANT DREAMS UNTIL YOUR PIECE OF S*** -

Sorry.

I can quite sucessfully turn off my alarm when it goes off.....most of the time without even waking up. Completely bypass the nice big snooze button an hit the tiny little "off" button.....and not even remember it. :shock:

As to the roosters, well, thatd work great if they didnt have a tendency to crow all night long. :)

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Emblematic » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:01 am UTC

As poxic mentioned the Knocker-Upper, I have heard a slightly different version.

You'd pay the guy who doused the fire-lit lamps in the morning to knock at your window and wake you up. So yea, he didn't just knock you up, he knocked your lights out.

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby poxic » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:14 am UTC

Hmm, that sounds a bit too facile to be the origin of "knock your lights out". I didn't find any derivation of the phrase in a quick search, though.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby PatrickRsGhost » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:00 am UTC

One thing I can't understand is how some people can stand to wake up with their alarm clocks set to "annoy the fuck out of everyone within a 10-mile radius" a.k.a. "buzzer." I had a roommate whose alarm clock was set to such a setting. The trouble was she'd forget to turn it off on the weekends she was going to be at her boyfriend's house. I'd hear that damn thing go off at fuck-o-clock in the morning, run across the apartment to her room (she stayed in the master bedroom, I the other, and they were on opposite ends of the apartment), and the first couple of times had the damnedest time trying to get the thing to turn off. I told her when she got back she needs to remember to cut it off on Friday mornings if she plans to go to her boyfriend's for the weekend. She said she would forget to turn it on Sunday night. I told her she'd just have to remember to do so right when she got home, or else she'll find her alarm clock missing, having been shattered into a million pieces, and each piece sent to various places all over the fucking world.

I prefer a much gentler approach, such as waking up to my favorite radio station. Half the time I'll hear the song while I'm still in Dream Mode, but then I'll wake up and realize the song is playing for real. Sometimes I let the song determine how good a day I will have: if it's a crap song, then it will be a crap day; if it's an okay song, then it will be an okay day; awesome song, awesome day. If, however, the radio cuts on in the middle or towards the end of a song, then I consider that to be a crap day, especially if the song is an awesome song, like "Stairway to Heaven."

But in relation to the OP, I think everyone covered just about everything people would have used. I would imagine that bedrooms were originally on the east side of the house, knowing that when the sun rose in the east, it meant time to get up. A lot of people depended on the rooster. I remember waking up to the rooster's crow on my great-grandparents' farm when I was a kid. Even though he had the roosters, my great-granddad still used an alarm clock, but he had the wind-up kind. Even at my tender young age at the time, I thought it odd that he used an alarm clock, when he had the roosters to wake him up.

Of course, it could be that he had the alarm clock to wake him up before the roosters crowed, since they tend to crow at sunrise, and he had a lot more to do than could be done between sunrise and sunset. Even when he was in his 70s and 80s he still did a lot on the farm.

In industrial towns, where the factory/textile mill/warehouse/whatever was the heart and brains of the town (actually, it was the company that ran it), I think some had a large clock that chimed the hour, and when everyone should be up in order to make it to work on time. Sounds a bit socialistic/communistic to me.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Splendid » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:13 am UTC

Angua wrote:Also, drink a lot before going to bed then needing to pee the next morning.

This.

In school I remember them saying this is how Native Americans would wake up early when they were planning to raid another party.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby SecondTalon » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:18 am UTC

PatrickRsGhost wrote:One thing I can't understand is how some people can stand to wake up with their alarm clocks set to "annoy the fuck out of everyone within a 10-mile radius" a.k.a. "buzzer."
For the longest time, the buzzer wasn't enough as I'd wake up enough to turn the alarm off, then go back to sleep. Radio wouldn't have even bothered me.

I tried putting the alarm clock on the other end of the room, but found that I'd wake up, get out of bed, turn it off, get back in bed, and go back to sleep only to later wake up with absolutely no memory of it.

Somewhat luckily, I suppose, I spilled a coke on it. Alarm clock still worked, but the buttons were all sticky and didn't work right... so I took the top off. Instead of nice, big, labeled buttons - just a row of unlabeled dots and an unlabeled switch. And a crapload of exposed components. Which means when it went off in the morning and I reached over to turn it off and cracked one eye open to kinda see what I was doing... I saw my hand going towards a bunch of exposed electronics with no idea if touching any of them would electrocute me or not.

Which means I woke right the fuck up and stayed up.

So, yeah, since then I've gotten to where just the buzzer is enough. But a radio alarm? I'd just sleep through it. It's not nearly jarring enough. So.. yeah, that's the reason - because nothing less than annoy the fuck out of everyone will work.

Also - why didn't you just unplug the alarm clock whenever she left after she messed up the first time?
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Emblematic » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:36 am UTC

poxic wrote:Hmm, that sounds a bit too facile to be the origin of "knock your lights out". I didn't find any derivation of the phrase in a quick search, though.


It wasn't supposed to be, just a play on words...albeit not a very good one.

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby poxic » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:32 am UTC

Ah, okay. I am disconfused now.

We had a rooster when I was in junior high, as did a few of our neighbours (it was kinda suburban-rural). Those stupid cocks would start at 3 a.m. sometimes. One would get just a bit too excited to greet the (as yet nonexistant) day, and it would set off the whole valleyful of them. I think I learned to sleep through it.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Von Haus » Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:05 am UTC

I'm dubious about the rooms facing the sunrise to wake people with the dawn. I live in quite an old farm house, 400 years or so, and all the rooms that would have been used for sleeing in face west meaning they get lit with an awesome orange glow at sunset. I'm guessing they're on that side because that side has a much better view rather than any sun based timing system.
To be honest, before alarm clocks, people didn't live alone and didn't often have to get up be a certain time, so they just woke up when they did and got on with their day. They'd probably get up much sooner after they woke up than some people do these days.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Rakysh » Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:28 am UTC

ATM I just leave the blinds in my room open, and the sun'll wake me up. Usually I just wake up when I wake up, which is always before when I actually NEED to wake up. I have, and have never had, an alarm clock. The most annoying thing is that if I wake up at all, I'm completely awake, and it'll take a good hour and a half to get back to sleep.

I love the idea of waking up morningish though.

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Postby PatrickRsGhost » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:01 pm UTC

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PatrickRsGhost wrote:Also - why didn't you just unplug the alarm clock whenever she left after she messed up the first time?


I did the second time go-round. She bitched about having to reset the time, and I told her she should have remembered to turn it off for over the weekend. She did after that.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Magilla » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:36 am UTC

Back when there weren't alarm clocks, people didn't have such a fixation on time. Believe it or not, people have actually survived without knowing whether it was noon or 1pm. Amazing! And to think that the world didn't stop rotating.

In all seriousness though, (1) people weren't so worried about time, (2) people were able to tell what time of day it was other ways [some of the Australian Aboriginals in the NT can tell you the time, correct to within 15 minutes based on the position of the sun or stars], and (3) you tend to lose abilities [such as the ability to keep track of time, or wake up at the same time each day etc] when you start relying on other things to do stuff for you.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby diego5wh » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:53 am UTC

Splendid wrote:
Angua wrote:Also, drink a lot before going to bed then needing to pee the next morning.

This.

In school I remember them saying this is how Native Americans would wake up early when they were planning to raid another party.


I have actually tried this one. (after seeing it in the Simpsons) it some how works to wake up early, also chickens anyone???
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby muktowngiant68 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:20 am UTC

after watching that clip i am quite sure i could sleep through that one.

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:24 am UTC

I should definitely try the drinking before bed idea, since like ST I can defeat any alarm clock at all in my sleep. But when should I be drinking? Immediately before sleep, or a little before that?
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Angua » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:46 am UTC

I'm going to agree with all those people who say that chickens are more trouble than they're worth (at least for time-keeping). They have a tendency to start crowing before day-break, which is not nice outside your window at 4am :(
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Snowflake » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:52 am UTC

LinuxPenguin wrote:I almost always wake up about 10 to 15 minutes before my alarm goes off. :shrug:

This, I also find happening to me.
I used to tell myself repeatedly "Get up at 7 get up at 7 get up at 7" before falling alseep. It worked more often than not.

Maybe it has something to do with your biological clock and having it in your mind?
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Splendid » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:25 am UTC

'; DROP DATABASE;-- wrote:I should definitely try the drinking before bed idea, since like ST I can defeat any alarm clock at all in my sleep. But when should I be drinking? Immediately before sleep, or a little before that?

I would recommend you drink it as late as you possibly can. If you drink it, say, an hour before you plan to lay down, that's plenty of time for the water to make its way into your kidneys/ureter/bladder.

By my calculations and education: Oral medication takes about 15 to 20 minutes to reach the bloodstream. Let's assume anything ingested takes a maximum of 30 minutes (if I'm wrong on any of this, correct me) to reach the blood. When we inject radiopaque contrast intravenously for IVP exams, we wait five minutes after injection, then begin KUB imaging. Within ten minutes, the contrast has entered the bladder, and that's with the kidneys working a liquid that is very taxing on itself. I would guess about 45 minutes after drinking something is when it hits the bladder. If you're asleep, your involuntary muscles will do a good job at holding that urine for you, at least until the morning when your bladder hits about 500 mL (average capacity) where it can't take any more and you're forced to wake up.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby notzeb » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:59 am UTC

I dunno... with some people, I can imagine them getting up, going to the bathroom, and getting back into bed. All without ever waking up.

All of these approaches seem like attacking a symptom, not a cause: if you don't want to wake up in the morning, or if you know you don't absolutely need to be up yet, you will not wake up. How is it that people manage to snooze their alarm clocks exactly seventeen and a half times, and still wake up just ten seconds before it's impossible to get to work on time?
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Subtly_in_your_Mind » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:02 am UTC

Ever since I started college, I've been sleeping in a basement. Now, quite frankly, I'm a terrible with managing my internal clock. Always have been, always will be. I've gone without sleep for up to 26 hours as my current record.

Strangely enough, I've never used an alarm clock in my life. In fact, I'm more nervous of the idea of being dependent on an alarm clock to wake me up then my own natural response. AND YET my sleeping patterns are nothing short of severely funked up.

I should do a study on this, it's been a pattern with a number of people I know.

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Chuff » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:10 am UTC

I'm kind of envious of you lot. Even a buzzer alarm isn't enough to wake me up, and I don't mean I wake up, hit snooze, and go back to sleep. I actually sleep straight through the alarm, not turning it to snooze, which means it continues running and wakes up everyone else in the house. This, of course, means I can't use alarm clocks, so I still, at 16, depend on my mom to wake me up. Terrible. Hopefully that will change as I get older.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby SlyReaper » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:54 am UTC

Up until 3 days ago, I lived in a south-east facing room. I've been able to get up bright and early at 6:45am sharp every day so that I get into work at 7:30. I have now moved to a basement flat. There is a door to an outside alcove, but it gets very little natural light and is north facing. I now find I am much more tired in the mornings than I'm used to, and I'm convinced that it's just because it's darker in the mornings.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby AVbd » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:21 pm UTC

Sleep is actually a cycle that repeats four or five times a night (depending on how much sleep you get, of course). At the start and end of a cycle, your brain activity is very close to what it is when you're awake, while during the middle your brain slows down heaps. If your alarm clock goes off during the really slow period, it can take half an hour or more for it to "switch on", during which time you could easily stop whatever's keeping you awake and simply fall back asleep. However, if you regularly awake at a particular time, you'll adjust so that the time you wake coincides with the end of a sleep cycle, and you might end up actually waking earlier than the alarm. Sound familiar? ;-)

Anyway, sorry for oversimplification, or for being wrong about whatever. I need sleep :P .

SlyReaper wrote:I now find I am much more tired in the mornings than I'm used to, and I'm convinced that it's just because it's darker in the mornings.

Maybe. Your body uses light to adjust its circadian rhythms.

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Triangle_Man » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:42 am UTC

I tend to get up on my own without the use of an alarm clock or otherwise. I also tend to get up early due to my swim practices, and this habit carries on even if I don't have a practice on that particular day. It can get quite annoying at times.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:44 am UTC

It's actually nice to get up early in the morning. It gives you time to have a good breakfast, read emails, etc for a while before you have to go out. The trouble is actually doing it. D: No matter how sophisticated the alarm, I will disable it and then crawl back into bed thinking "I'll just lay here for a few minutes as I wake up." I keep telling myself that won't work, but my brain just isn't "on" enough at the time to realize it, even if I just spent 5 minutes disabling a ridiculously complex alarm clock.

I should try just having it launch a random song. I tried using the same one all the time but it just made me get sick of that song. However a problem then is not wanting to get up and stop it because I'm enjoying it too much, and instead just laying there listening to it, and falling asleep again. fffffff.
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'; DROP DATABASE;-- wrote:I should definitely try the drinking before bed idea, since like ST I can defeat any alarm clock at all in my sleep. But when should I be drinking? Immediately before sleep, or a little before that?

I would recommend you drink it as late as you possibly can. If you drink it, say, an hour before you plan to lay down, that's plenty of time for the water to make its way into your kidneys/ureter/bladder.

By my calculations and education: Oral medication takes about 15 to 20 minutes to reach the bloodstream. Let's assume anything ingested takes a maximum of 30 minutes (if I'm wrong on any of this, correct me) to reach the blood. When we inject radiopaque contrast intravenously for IVP exams, we wait five minutes after injection, then begin KUB imaging. Within ten minutes, the contrast has entered the bladder, and that's with the kidneys working a liquid that is very taxing on itself. I would guess about 45 minutes after drinking something is when it hits the bladder. If you're asleep, your involuntary muscles will do a good job at holding that urine for you, at least until the morning when your bladder hits about 500 mL (average capacity) where it can't take any more and you're forced to wake up.
Interesting. About how much does it take?

I'll try downing a glass of water, though knowing me, I'll still be awake by the time it makes its way through and have to get up an hour later. V_v

(this may be better off in its own thread... but I really just wanted to ask that question and then I'd probably have no more to say...)
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby Splendid » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:24 pm UTC

'; DROP DATABASE;-- wrote:Interesting. About how much does it take?

Volume? Well some smaller bladders only hold about 450mL, which is about 16 ounces. Some bladders can hold pert-near 20 or, dare I say, 22. You have to remember that most of the water (assuming you don't drink a decent amount of water throughout the day so that your body has become accustomed to being dehydrated) it will happily welcome the water and use up most of it for your cells. What hits your bladder is either excess water it can't use or other liquids that's already had whatever usable nutrients/calories removed.
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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby bonzombiekitty » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:05 pm UTC

notzeb wrote:
I have no sympathy for people who can't wake up in the mornings. Seriously? You actually snooze your super f***ing loud alarm clock for thirty minutes straight? WHY THE F*** DIDN'T YOU SET IT FOR THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY NEEDED TO GET UP INSTEAD OF WAKING ME UP AT A GODAWFUL TIME IN THE MORNING TO FORCE ME TO GET YOU TO TURN THE D*** THING OFF?!

Sorry.


MY g/f does this all the time. When my alarm goes off, I get up. She'll keep hitting the snooze over and over again. Whenever we need to get up in the morning, I'm up, showered and ready to go while she's still asleep. I have to force her out of bed. It's the one thing she does that drives me bonkers.

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Re: How did people wake up before alarm clocks?

Postby elminster » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:23 pm UTC

You could possibly position shiny objects to reflect an large amount of light into you're general sleeping area, or a light based alarm clock e.g. Making a lens that causes something to make a loud noise.

notzeb wrote:I can time when I wake up if I care strongly enough about it. For instance, I'll be like, "I've gotta get up by 7 am tomorrow, which is precisely 6 hours from now, or else I'll miss a chance to take over the world." The next morning, I'll wake up at precisely 6:30, fifteen minutes before my alarm goes off (no matter how tired). I never understood why I always wake up half an hour earlier than I plan, though...
Wow... I get exactly the same thing. In fact, mine is usually 10-15minutes before.
Sometimes I've been in a deep sleep, woken up immediately (Usually I'm quite quick to wakeup, but these times it's like within 10seconds) and grabbed my alarm clock several seconds before it actually goes off. When it goes off in my hand, I just stare at it due to the momentary confusion just after waking and amazement.

'; DROP DATABASE;-- wrote:No matter how sophisticated the alarm, I will disable it and then crawl back into bed thinking "I'll just lay here for a few minutes as I wake up." I keep telling myself that won't work, but my brain just isn't "on" enough at the time to realize it, even if I just spent 5 minutes disabling a ridiculously complex alarm clock.
I try set several alarms to go off repeatedly at 1minute between each, but it still fails to work. It's just too easy to switch off the alarms.
I'm not sure exactly what the best noise is to wake up to, but I've found heavy metal songs that I enjoy listening to work well. It helps the neurons start firing while not being so annoying that you want it immediately switched off.

I've used the drinking before sleep tactic before, although for some reason (Most likely due to the lack of humidity in my room) I'm often still dehydrated in the mornings; even if I drink during the day and a pint and a half before going to sleep. Although, I have noticed, that if I drink a pint of water just after waking while still lying down (while lying in) I feel super hydrated, so much so that even my skin feels baby skin soft. I don't know how else to describe it and it never happens at any other time, even If I drink excessive amounts at other times.

Correct sleep pattern, exercise and diet is probably most effective at not feeling tired in the mornings. Also the need for not actually dying due to not being able to work during darkness is quite an incentive.
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