No, I've proven that the rule doesn't exist.
Rule: Most people in upper managment have degrees or connections, and did by those qualifications, obtain their job.
Exception: Rarely, somebody working retail in that company gets promoted to a lower managment position, with the possibility of climbing the corporate ladder.
Logical deduction: Working your way up from rock bottom is a huge exception, and not the rule.
You haven't proven any thing remotely close to that the rule doesn't exist!
I mentioned where to find examples, I'm confidant that I'm correct, if it bothers you that much I'm sure you can find them.
Well, then I can't be arsed to find the statistics either. But you know what, let's just let people decide what sounds more logical. Tons of clerks promoted to CEO's, or people with educations and/or connections at the top.
I'm willing to wager that's more of a self-for filling prophesy than anything else. "I'm not in the old-boy's network so I might as well not even try."
How so? If anything, that's incentive to get INTO the old-boy's network. Again, instead of looking at statistics that neither of us can be arsed to find, let's leave this up to common sense. Does my theory sound likely? Lots of ex-clerks up top, or people on first-name basis with the good 'ol boys?
Exactly. How many do I know that are taking classes towards one of those degrees while they work as a clerk? 5. They work in retail because it's a mindless job that's easy to excel at so they can focus on their studies.
Which is exactly what I'm doing. Though mindless, it is not. And it's especially not so, if you try to perform as amazingly as you think one should, so that one can get promoted. People who do study are very bad examples. They won't get promoted whatever they do, because the boss knows they are only there temporarily. If the boss is going to promote anyone, it'll be the clerks that will stay with the company. But like I said, why would any boss hire anyone unqualified for the position, when he could just as easily bring in an equally dedicated and better educated person from outside? It doesn't happen, and I have never seen it do so.
There are in fact, a bunch of factors that need to be taken into consideration here. Bottom line is, if you bust your ass for the company, you *might* get a pat on the back as well as your regular paycheck. You won't get a promotion, not in this reality. If people want better jobs, they go get qualified, and then apply for them.
Why do they have to be seperate people? Why can't the cashier and the person in college working towards a masters be the same person?
Sure they can! But like I said, that would automatically diqualify them for promotion, unless they were educating themselves spesifically for that job in that company, which is... rare. And then they will probably have to apply for it, anyway.
There seems to be a theme here that corporations should only promote people who have worked there without a degree. Which seems to be a bizarre mindset. Being a good clerk doesn't automatically make you a good manager.
Yes, that is a bizarre mindset. It's not my mindset. It's not Belial's mindset. It's Solt's mindset. Are you suddenly agreeing with us?
My logic is flawless, if you're disgruntled enough to actively steal large amounts of money from customers it's unlikely you have good personal skills.
Flawless logic does not contain speculation (the word unlikely). For all you know, that statement might be false, on many separate points. Firstly, it assumes that the person is disgrunteled. Secondly, it assumes that there are large sums involved. Thirdly, degree of (hyothetical)disgruntlement and amount of money does not, to my knowledge, impact on personal skills.
If you reread what I wrote, you'll discover that it is MY logic that is flawless.
It was ironic because the sentence I was replying to implied that he would stop taking the customers money because it would get him fired, when in a previous post he bragged about stealing money from the customer.
Bragged? I don't remember bragging. I remember information being given, but no bragging. And the sentence you were replying to implyed that at no point would Belial stop doing his job properly, no matter how much the customer acted like an asshole.
Does shortchanging an asshole customer (I gathered this was the exception, not the rule), make Belial less of a decent person? I don't think so. Sure, it's technically stealing, but there's equity here. One might even say that that unpleasant behaviour is harassment (it sure as hell would be if he was acting like that towards a total stranger on the street, for instance), and thusly subject to legal sanctions, more often than not, a fine. So, really, the harrassing asshole is actually punished less than what is proper. For instance, if someone rams you with their shopping cart, then that's assault, and should be sanctioned. If you stand there laughing, you're not doing your duty as a citizen, reporting this person and ensuring that this behaviour does not continue unchecked.
Of course, there's the spiral concept, guy is asshole, gets bad service, gets mad at the store, continues to be an asshole etc... But what is the guy behind the counter supposed to do about it? That spiral can only be broken by the customer, as the clerk does his damn job, EVERY single time.
I'm sorry, when does being rude give someone car blanch to steal from you? Are we confusing social norms and laws? This isn't Vietnam, there are rules here.
It doesn't, and I didn't say that any form of stealing was right. But behaving without common courtesy has sanctions, you can't even possibly disagree with that. I think it would offend people's moral sensibilities if some guy comes in, treats the guy behind the counter like dirt, and gets top notch service. I get sympathetic looks when I encounter assholes, so it's clear that people don't think this is ok. But like I said, I don't condone stealing in any way. However, if you act like an asshole, you don't get good service. The wares you buy with money, great service you buy with a smile.
As for the promotion. Hell no, I took the degree I was working towards and got myself a real job. One of my co-workers was promoted to some kind of mid-level management a month or so after I left, because he was a good worker. If he decides to stay with that company he will go far within it, even without a coveted degree from Harvard.
So now working a cashier isn't a real job? It's nice to see the kind of respect you have for your fellow human beings.
And I'm pretty sure that promotion was based on more than just him being a good worker, there are dozens of "good workers" where I work, and I'm one of them, because I take pride in doing my job well, and giving my customers great service. So I'm pretty sure that he had some kind of education, or an excellent relationship with some managerial types. Of course, I could be wrong, like I said, exceptions exist to every rule.
If this isn't the first time someone has told you to get over yourself, it might be time to actually look into it. As for the autograph, sure, PM me your address and I'll fire one off. Babies? I don't know, I'll have to check some of the laws about transporting biological material across state lines. Let me contact my lawyer and get back to you.
Kinda missed the point there, I see. However, I don't see why I should condone your rude dismissal of our opinions and feelings with a polite answer. "Get over yourselves"? Way to show understanding. Thanks.
Of course, as you know I was completely on the mark, you are compelled to just joke it all away. Yeah, good going, we didn't even notice much.
And don't bother, I study law. It's illegal. Haha.
I don't really see how I fit into any of those. In fact, it would really seem that I'm the least psychopathic one in this thread.
Psychopaths and people with SPD experience a severely reduced state of emotional feedback. They don't feel emotions like we do. But really, I was merely making the point that if nothing anybody says to you or even having a really bad day at work affects your mood at all, then you're either lying, or afflicted with aforementioned diseases. Normal people get affected by having a bad day.