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Re: Head Hair

Postby GoodRudeFun » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:29 am UTC

Oh hey, I'll have to look into that, it looks pretty neat. What makes them better than other irons though? just curious.


Also, what kind of thermal protection product should I look for?


I probably wont be buying either any time soon. I'm broke, and its too hot to have long hair, so I have no need to straighten it.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby apricity » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:55 am UTC

Hey, I just found something awesome for this thread! If you're getting a cut but your hair isn't long enough to donate for a wig, try donating it to clean up oil spills! (You can also do it if you just like the cause better, of course.)
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Re: Head Hair

Postby jmrz » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:57 am UTC

I just bought a ghd! :D I love it to pieces. I have fairly fine hair, but an incredible amount of it, so it looks riduclously thick. I find with a lot of hair straighteners, they take some of the fluffiness out of my ordinarily straight hair, but they never get it as straight, flat and smooth as a ghd does.

Also, I've had my hair curled with a ghd and they are the only curls that stay in my hair for a decent amount of time without a hell of a lot of hairspray and product.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lucrece » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:48 am UTC

Yeah, talk about changes in hair.

For around 3-4 years, my hair has gone from super straight to wavy, to thinner and curly-ish (still wavy but on the verge of curly). I wonder if all those years of not incorporating vegetables (as in, I eat fruit but not a single gram of vegetable lest I puke it out) and enough meat on my diet ended up doing this to me. Then again, I've been wanting to see an endocrinologist, as I have thyroid problems in my family medical history, and my hands tremble a lot. Perhaps it's my hormones doing naughty things to my hair.
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Postby GoodRudeFun » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:08 am UTC

Really wish my hair would change, and get straighter and thicker. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the way hair changes v.v
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Mmmm, Pi » Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:12 am UTC

My hair's become more curly with time. It's also darker then it used to be as well.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby pseudoidiot » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:10 pm UTC

What about a Chi iron? My wife's been wanting to get one for a while. Is that GHD iron so much more awesome to make the price difference worth it?

Hell, if she had a nice iron, I'd probably grow my hair out again and straighten it since I hate how wavy my hair is.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby parkaboy » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:34 pm UTC

Chi is a decent brand. The difference with GHD lies in a few details. First, it has floating ceramic plates, ceramic distributes heat evenly, and Chi also has them, I think, but the floating part means that you have some cushion and even if you smash the hell out of your hair, it compensates for that, so there really isn't any way to apply too much pressure. Also, GHD has a temperature sensor under the plates that senses if your hair is getting too hot and will automatically adjust the temperature. Also, it automatically shuts off after 30 minutes of non-use so even if you forget to turn it off often, you'll never burn your house down. It also completely heats up in about 5 seconds. It ALSO has a rounded barrel, rather than a sortof rounded squareish one, so you can make awesome waves and curls with it as well. I freaking LOVE curling people's hair with GHD irons. For your money, though, both Chi and GHD are worth it.

As for thermal protectants, GHD makes some really good ones, but I much much much prefer Aquage styling products.
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Re: Head Hair

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Re: Head Hair

Postby pseudoidiot » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:30 pm UTC

parkaboy wrote:Chi is a decent brand. The difference with GHD lies in a few details. First, it has floating ceramic plates, ceramic distributes heat evenly, and Chi also has them, I think, but the floating part means that you have some cushion and even if you smash the hell out of your hair, it compensates for that, so there really isn't any way to apply too much pressure. Also, GHD has a temperature sensor under the plates that senses if your hair is getting too hot and will automatically adjust the temperature. Also, it automatically shuts off after 30 minutes of non-use so even if you forget to turn it off often, you'll never burn your house down. It also completely heats up in about 5 seconds. It ALSO has a rounded barrel, rather than a sortof rounded squareish one, so you can make awesome waves and curls with it as well. I freaking LOVE curling people's hair with GHD irons. For your money, though, both Chi and GHD are worth it.

As for thermal protectants, GHD makes some really good ones, but I much much much prefer Aquage styling products.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Cold » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:18 pm UTC

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Re: Head Hair

Postby parkaboy » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:40 am UTC

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Your reply is on the first page, yo.
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Re: Head Hair

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Ah, indeed it is, comrade. You probably used your communist powers to add it there. Commie.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Enuja » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:56 am UTC

My spouse has long hair, and he expects this to be the last time he grows out his hair (because of balding: you can see the widow's peak he has that just keeps getting deeper). He does not take care of his hair well, and I'd like advice on what he can do to rescue his hair and stop damaging it.

What he does and my advice:
He combs from the top of his hair to the bottom, forcing through tangles. I've suggested that he comb from the bottom up, moving up only when he's cleared tangles. He combs whenever, I've suggested that he comb only when his hair is dry. He has nerve damage in one hand, and putting his hair in a pony tail is somewhat challenging: he usually ends up with hair peeking out between hair tie loops, often even making his pony tail do a ninety degree turn. I've told him to make sure that all of the loops of the pony tail are together (which means he'll have to do fewer loops: probably two instead of three).

So, did I get anything wrong? Any other advice?

This is what his hair looks like:

Freshly combed, looking good, except for the short hair sticking up in front.
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Freshly combed, from the side, looking good except what you can see of the back.
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Length of the hairs at the front (pulled forward)
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He did this ponytail for me right after the pictures above (and I combed it directly before he put it up, too). Often the gap is much bigger, but it looks like this a lot.
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What the top layer looks like at the back, near where the pony tail sits.
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What it looks like when I lift the top layer:
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Just taking this pictures and showing them to him made him much more willing to follow my hair advice, so now I want the advice to actually be good!

Do you all think I'm correct about what is causing the damage?

I was thinking of suggesting bangs (strange on a guy, I know), that he shave off the widows peak, or (cringe) suggesting a mullet. Do you all think he's just stuck with his messy-on-top-and-back hair for the foreseeable future? I was able to get him to sit on a chair and let me trim the ends of his hair, but I don't know if he'll let me do something more adventurous or take him to a professional. But if you guys come up with some good advice on a way to improve things with cutting, I'll see if I can convince him.

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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lucrece » Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:21 am UTC

Long hair is going to be problematic with any balding person. It's only going to emphasize lack of hair, and it's going to make him flustered with doing his hair. Not only that, but hair thinning will not show as much damage when the hair is kept shorter than when it's made to grow, since the DHT accumulating on his follicles is miniaturizing them and making the hair grow weak, leading to a hair that is prone to a lot of breakage and lack of shape.

And if he insists on long hair, it's recommended that he start treating for baldness and saving for hair transplants. The sooner the response to baldness, the better I have seen the recovery in most men. If he's prone to not taking much care of his hair, minoxidil topic drops will probably not be applied consistently, leading to ineffective treatment. Some people seek Propicia, a once a day pill that blocks DHT (the usual offender in male pattern hair loss); it is rather expensive, however. ~80 dollars a month.

Otherwise, he can accept his baldness and short-crop his hair; it will look much nicer and healthier.

P.S. On hair care, make sure that he applies conditioner and leave in conditioner every day for protection against weakening and damage. Conditioner should be applied from roots to ends; it's a common misconception that conditioner on roots does damage to your hair, but it doesn't. It's designed to protect your hair and scalp from damage, and good hair needs to start from healthy and protected roots.

P.S.S. Have him take vitamins for his hair. Shampoos and most topical haircare does very little in comparison to what goes on in the follicle, which is inside the scalp. Massage his head frequently, wash out his head with cold water to stimulate and create circulation. Follicles weaken when blood circulation (source of nutrients to the follicle) is poor, so have him massage and tap his scalp with his fingers frequently. Have him wash his hair everyday to prevent build-up (most women are accustomed to washing their hair every other day, but weak hair needs to not see build-up).

For the damaged hair, you might also want to do keratine treatments every other month. It's around 100-150 bucks, but it's marvelous for repairing and revitalizing hair.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby parkaboy » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:18 am UTC

I agree with just about everything Lucrece said, especially conditioning every day and REALLY especially the keratin treatments. My hair is pretty fine now that I cut all of it off to start over, but I'm taking vitamins for it anyway (Hair, Skin & Nail vitamins you can find at Wal-mart or Target or pretty much any drugstore). As for those frazzled bits, there's not really much you can do at this point besides cut them off. daily conditioning and the keratin treatments will help a little bit, but there really is no way to completely repair damage that extensive. My vote goes with convince him to go short. I'll be easier for him as well.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Hyphe » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:11 pm UTC

Hmm. I also get that frazzle at the back of my hair - right now the rest of my hair is so bad I'm resigned to just cutting it all off, but I used to get it even when I was taking really good care of my hair. I suspect it might be something to do with the ponytail, or possibly it's because that's the bit my head lies on when I sleep. Anyone have any ideas? Is there any way to stop that frazzle from happening (ie, gentler bands, not tying the hair at all, hairnets, or something)?

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Re: Head Hair

Postby Enuja » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:40 pm UTC

Thanks for all of the advice! I guess I wasn't clear: he plans on going short as soon as long doesn't work any more. Treating for baldness will not happen: he will shave his head instead. Otherwise, the advice looks very useful. Keratine treatments are far too much trouble and too much money. Vitamins are probably too much work as well. Conditioner is not too much work. I'm confused, however: why wash hair every day and condition it like crazy? Isn't conditioner really dirt for your hair so it doesn't tangle? Wouldn't it be less stressful on the hair to simply wash it less often? Was my advice about combing the hair when dry only and from the bottom up good advice or not useful?

It's been two years since any of those frazzled ends have been cut, so, in some ways, it's not surprising that it's a mess. I think that, while hanging out and being social, I might just use sharp scissors to cut the ends of individual damaged hairs. My tact is obviously just to cut my hair to try to make it all an even length, but I don't know if I can convince him that that's worth it, especially with all of the doom about his hair swiftly getting worse in this thread.

Maybe the frazzle is from sleeping with a pony tail? Maybe putting pony tails in different places would reduce the frazzle at the back of the hair?
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lucrece » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:40 pm UTC

Enuja wrote:Thanks for all of the advice! I guess I wasn't clear: he plans on going short as soon as long doesn't work any more. Treating for baldness will not happen: he will shave his head instead. Otherwise, the advice looks very useful. Keratine treatments are far too much trouble and too much money. Vitamins are probably too much work as well. Conditioner is not too much work. I'm confused, however: why wash hair every day and condition it like crazy? Isn't conditioner really dirt for your hair so it doesn't tangle? Wouldn't it be less stressful on the hair to simply wash it less often? Was my advice about combing the hair when dry only and from the bottom up good advice or not useful?

It's been two years since any of those frazzled ends have been cut, so, in some ways, it's not surprising that it's a mess. I think that, while hanging out and being social, I might just use sharp scissors to cut the ends of individual damaged hairs. My tact is obviously just to cut my hair to try to make it all an even length, but I don't know if I can convince him that that's worth it, especially will all of the doom about his hair swiftly getting worse in this thread.

Maybe the frazzle is from sleeping with a pony tail? Maybe putting pony tails in different stops would reduce the frazzle at the back of the hair?


Reduce ponytail use to as little as you can, if not never. Do a braid instead, puts less damage on the hair. Or use a hair clip instead. NEVER, EVER put a ponytail when the hair is wet or when going to sleep. The hair is 3x weaker when wet, so you want to avoid putting any stress as long as it's wet.

Conditioners is not really dirt. What it does is seal your hair from when the shampoo opened it to cleanse it, and it establishes a protective barrier against sun damage and heat appliances. Natural hair oils only do so much, and with long hair they tend to be effective even less, so the conditioner is making up for these lackings.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby blue_eyedspacemonkey » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:21 pm UTC

I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a good de-frizz/keep my curls curly product/best way to make this happen?
I already wash and condition my hair on a regular basis, I don't brush it, but it's still got a life of it's own.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lucrece » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:51 pm UTC

blue_eyedspacemonkey wrote:I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a good de-frizz/keep my curls curly product/best way to make this happen?
I already wash and condition my hair on a regular basis, I don't brush it, but it's still got a life of it's own.
I can post pics if needed?



Buy shampoo/conditioner/haircare SPECIFICALLY for curly hair. Straightening shampoos often do not work well with curly hair. Your hair is curly because by structure the nutrients have a harder time in getting to the tips. Use creamy conditioners and hair products that provide moisture to your curly ends. Keratine treatments are particularly good for curly hair; they nourish and restructure the drier tips of curly and/or kinky hair.

Most importantly, if you have curly/kinky hair, learn to love it and style it. Beauty has been made too ethnocentric, emphasizing the traits of Caucasians at the expense of others.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby tin » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:25 pm UTC

A technique which a lot of curly people swear by is the Curly Girl Method. Basically, it involves just washing you hair with a silicone free conditioner and limiting your use of shampoo. Don't scrunch up your face like that, it really works. The idea is that conditioner does a fine enough job washing your hair and you only need to use shampoo to clear away buildup. I pretty much swear by this and it makes my hair uber curly and generally badass. And, well...I have very curly hair. If I shampoo'd my hair on a daily basis, it'd just become matted dreadlocks.

Another good thing for curly heads (or any type of hair actually) is applying hot oil treatments to the scalp and hair. They provide your hair with a big ol' boost of moisture. You can buy them pre-made or you can make them at home like I do. I use a mixture of coconut, almond and olive oil, slap it on my barnet and wrap it in a cling film (sexxxy). After an hour or until the point I remember that I have to wash it out, I rinse out all the oil with a little bit of shampoo and lots of conditioner. The result is a curl party and everyone's invited.

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Re: Head Hair

Postby GoodRudeFun » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:57 pm UTC

It's going to be pretty hard for me to learn to like my curls. I've spent a very long time learning to hate them.


Plus I want to grow my hair out eventually. While long curly hair might eventually look ok, there will be a period of growth where my hair looks like complete ron jeramy style mullet crap. I'll be straightening it during those times, no matter how much I grow to like my curls.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lucrece » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:01 am UTC

Just make sure you don't damage the hair in that period, or you'll just have crappy long hair which you'll be forced to cut.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby GoodRudeFun » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:12 am UTC

Good point.

Perhaps if I get it cut right it wont look so bad. But if and when I do straighten it I'll make sure to use the right stuff to protect it.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby TaintedDeity » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:15 am UTC

The reason hair has that midpoint between short and long hair where it looks a bit silly is because the back looks much longer than the back because the hairline is lower.
That'll probably be less obvious in curly hair, but you can also get it cut periodically so the back stays the same hight as the back, or so it is at least not as obvious.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Enuja » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:26 am UTC

It took me until I was something like 13 years old to learn not to brush my curly hair. My parents had no idea about how to deal with curly hair, and, honestly, I'm still learning. I got used to short, curly hair for the past 4 years, and it's strange to have long hair again. I found that while I was growing it out my hair was actually really, really nice, and I essentially had to do nothing to it or with it. Now that it's essentially grown out I'm getting frustrated, and either need to cut it or start following the advice tin linked.

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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lucrece » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:27 am UTC

Keep in mind that the advice there assumes crappy shampoos. Good shampoos will NEVER strip you of natural oils, but they will cleanse and nourish the scalp.

Also, the advice about not brushing much? Bad idea. Not combing frequently enough will only lead to worse tangles and even more hair damage. A good combing before you go to sleep also spreads the oils throughout your hair, keeping shine in your hair. Try to at least comb after showering and before you go to sleep.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby GoodRudeFun » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:30 am UTC

Any suggestions for shampoos that are good for your hair?


Preferably not to expensive >.>
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lucrece » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:31 am UTC

GoodRudeFun wrote:Any suggestions for shampoos that are good for your hair?


Preferably not to expensive >.>


The better shampoos will always be expensive. Kerastase is expensive to high hell, but it's a marvel of a haircare product outside of keratine treatments.

That said, very nice shampoos for their price appear to be Garnier Fructis and Aveeno. For daily use, using baby shampoo along with a normal conditioner is actually pretty good.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Jessica » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:46 pm UTC

How can a shampoo leave natural oils on your head? At it's core, it's soap, which reacts with oil like molecules and then washes them away. I understand how two in ones work, because essentially the first wash removes the soap, and leaves the conditioner in it's wake. But, how can you make soap that works (cleans, by removing oil and other polymers) and leaves oil...
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lord Aurora » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:52 pm UTC

I used Girl ShampooTM today, and hot DAMN does my Boy HairTM look and feel great.

Perhaps I will go back to the store and return with Girl ConditionerTM.
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Postby Moo » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:54 pm UTC

Lord Aurora wrote:I used Girl ShampooTM
Rather than GirlTM's shampoo, which I'm sure would beg some interesting questions.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lord Aurora » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:57 pm UTC

Moo wrote:
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Rather than GirlTM's shampoo, which I'm sure would beg some interesting questions.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Belial » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:20 pm UTC

....as always, if you're close enough to Girl™ to steal her shampoo or whatever you're implying, I shouldn't even register on your list of worries. There shouldn't even be room in your fear-soaked little mammal brain for you to remember my name.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:26 pm UTC

Misconception : Belial's the scary one.
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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lord Aurora » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:31 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Misconception : Belial's the scary one.
Misconception: That belonged in this thread. Christ, where are the mods when you need them?
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Re: Head Hair

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:51 pm UTC

FINE! I'LL TAKE MY HUMOR TRUCK OVER HERE BY MYSELF!

*vroom vroom*

So, yeah, more on topic - after reading the things you aren't supposed to do to hair, it's a wonder I have any left. Still, I always considered the awkward phase between short hair and long hair as the price one has to pay for having awesome long hair later on.
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heuristically_alone wrote:I have been informed that this is called writing a book.

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Re: Head Hair

Postby Lord Aurora » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:54 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:it's a wonder I have any left

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Re: Head Hair

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:01 pm UTC

Pfft. Remind me to scan a picture of my high school days.
heuristically_alone wrote:I want to write a DnD campaign and play it by myself and DM it myself.
heuristically_alone wrote:I have been informed that this is called writing a book.


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