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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:35 pm UTC

ISHTS: Master of Puppets is not "Rock".
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Felstaff » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:39 pm UTC

Of course not.





It's pop.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:41 pm UTC

Felstaff wrote:Of course not.





It's pop.


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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Microscopic cog » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:44 pm UTC

Isn't Metallica dead?



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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Felstaff » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:45 pm UTC

I heard they sold out in, like, 45 minutes.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:48 pm UTC

They sold out before selling out was mainstream.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby OBrien » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:07 pm UTC

The fact that they're really overrated and not that great aside, Metallica technically are Rock, seeing as Metal is a sub-genre of Rock, (which, in turn, is a sub-genre of Rock 'n' Roll, which is a sub-genre of Blues). Granted it's a sub-genre big enough to be considered as a seperate genre altogether, but in the same way Punk is still Rock, so is Metal.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:09 pm UTC

I really can't see Metal as a sub-sub-sub-genre of Blues.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby podbaydoor » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:13 pm UTC

They're all subgenres of African chants, anyway.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby OBrien » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:14 pm UTC

Ever listened to Black Sabbath's "Evil Woman"?
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby podbaydoor » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:18 pm UTC

No, but I take that as a recommendation to listen to it?
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:25 pm UTC

If you won't take his recommendation, take mine.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Mumpy » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:33 pm UTC

There is no such thing as a genre of music, there are individual tracks and artists and there are mixes.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:35 pm UTC

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:39 pm UTC

TimelordSimone wrote:ISHTST: Tom Jones' 'Delilah' is not a suitable Valentine's song.
"I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more"
Do people even listen to the words?

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby sje46 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:43 pm UTC

Mumpy wrote:There is no such thing as a genre of music, there are individual tracks and artists and there are mixes.

I shouldn't have to say that just because something's a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Of course genres exist. Can you speak about genres intelligently? If I tell someone I like 60s psychedelic rock, that provides a lot of information about which bands I am likely to like...even if I haven't heard of them yet!
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:45 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
TimelordSimone wrote:ISHTST: Tom Jones' 'Delilah' is not a suitable Valentine's song.
"I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more"
Do people even listen to the words?

Remember, people dance to Every Breath You Take on their wedding day.


Most classic "Love" songs, are only "Love" songs if you're Buffalo Bill. Creepy stalker songs.

Of course, one of my girlfriends in the military said "my" song was Master of Puppets....So I'm maybe not the best judge of love here.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Thesh » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:46 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
TimelordSimone wrote:ISHTST: Tom Jones' 'Delilah' is not a suitable Valentine's song.
"I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more"
Do people even listen to the words?

Remember, people dance to Every Breath You Take on their wedding day.


If I ever get married, I'm playing "The Carpenter and the Dainty Bride" by Primus. Purely in terms of music, it' is somewhat experimental and enough to make a lot of people say "What the fuck is this crap?" A bigger "What the fuck?" comes if you listen to the lyrics (assuming it's listened to during a wedding reception).

I like it, personally.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Whelan » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:49 pm UTC

I want to see if I can get away with Gay Bar, or I Can't Decide.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby pseudoidiot » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:50 pm UTC

The only music at my reception came from me melting faces off with Guitar Hero/Rock Band.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby sje46 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:52 pm UTC

pseudoidiot wrote:The only music at my reception came from me melting faces off with Guitar Hero/Rock Band.

It's generally not a good idea to drop acid before you get married.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Vapour » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:54 pm UTC

Bringing potentionally corrosive acids to wedding can't be a good idea....or can it?

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:55 pm UTC

It depends. Is it a "Shotgun Wedding"?
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

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Eh, most of the guests survived
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Antimony-120 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:56 pm UTC

Whelan wrote:I want to see if I can get away with Gay Bar, or I Can't Decide.


The correct response is "The Sound of Settling"
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Whelan » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:05 pm UTC

Antimony-120 wrote:
Whelan wrote:I want to see if I can get away with Gay Bar, or I Can't Decide.


The correct response is "The Sound of Settling"

Actually, I'll Follow You Into the Dark is almost a good choice.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby TimelordSimone » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:36 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
TimelordSimone wrote:ISHTST: Tom Jones' 'Delilah' is not a suitable Valentine's song.
"I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more"
Do people even listen to the words?

Remember, people dance to Every Breath You Take on their wedding day.

In the film Time Traveller's Wife, their wedding song is an instrumental Love Will Tear Us Apart.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Ptolom » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:43 pm UTC

Generally people don't listen to music it's just nice sounding noise that's going on. The lyrics probably don't even get parsed as anything other than sounds.
Which is probably an acceptable way of enjoying music, subconsciously appreciating the noise, but it does tend to detract from the the original intention of a song.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:48 pm UTC

Heh. Maybe amongst the people you know. My crew will stop and rewind a song to make sure the singer just said what everyone thinks they said. "Wait, did .. was that a reference to goat-fucking?"

The Deftones are about the only band I actively try not to listen to the words, as the lyrics are usually kinda terrible, but the sounds of the words are nice.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Microscopic cog » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:04 pm UTC

There's only one song I want on repeat, insanely loud, not only at my wedding but also at my funeral or any other event of importance.

Ooh, ooh, ooooooooooeeeeeeh yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaah.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Mumpy » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:07 pm UTC

sje46 wrote:
Mumpy wrote:There is no such thing as a genre of music, there are individual tracks and artists and there are mixes.

I shouldn't have to say that just because something's a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Of course genres exist. Can you speak about genres intelligently? If I tell someone I like 60s psychedelic rock, that provides a lot of information about which bands I am likely to like...even if I haven't heard of them yet!

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:09 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Heh. Maybe amongst the people you know. My crew will stop and rewind a song to make sure the singer just said what everyone thinks they said. "Wait, did .. was that a reference to goat-fucking?"

The Deftones are about the only band I actively try not to listen to the words, as the lyrics are usually kinda terrible, but the sounds of the words are nice.


"I've fucked a sheep, I've fucked a goat. I rammed my cock right down his throat. So what? SO WHAT?"
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:13 pm UTC

I'd forgotten about that song. Spoiler'd for further musing and triggering imagery
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But yes, it's one of many with references to sexual activity with goats. I think goats are a go-to animal for that sort of thing. No one ever references sexual activity with Deer, which would say volumes about the speaker... I mean, in to weird shit yes, but also a very fast runner.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Antimony-120 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:17 pm UTC

Whelan wrote:
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Whelan wrote:I want to see if I can get away with Gay Bar, or I Can't Decide.


The correct response is "The Sound of Settling"

Actually, I'll Follow You Into the Dark is almost a good choice.


Yes but we're going for funny, not appropriate. Somewhere I have a file of the worst possible songs to put on a CD and give to a S.O..

I do remember that Wham! Bam! Thank you Ma'am! was on there though. And 99 Problems.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:20 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:I'd forgotten about that song. Spoiler'd for further musing and triggering imagery
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But yes, it's one of many with references to sexual activity with goats. I think goats are a go-to animal for that sort of thing. No one ever references sexual activity with Deer, which would say volumes about the speaker... I mean, in to weird shit yes, but also a very fast runner.


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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby sje46 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:14 pm UTC

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Mumpy wrote:There is no such thing as a genre of music, there are individual tracks and artists and there are mixes.

I shouldn't have to say that just because something's a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Of course genres exist. Can you speak about genres intelligently? If I tell someone I like 60s psychedelic rock, that provides a lot of information about which bands I am likely to like...even if I haven't heard of them yet!

Woa, calm down. It's a Margaret Thatcher paraphrase.

I'm not sure how that's helping your point. It's still pretty dumb to think that music genres don't exist. It's like saying that accents don't exist.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Magnanimous » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:36 pm UTC

The whole point of that quote is that it's sort of pointless to label a band (or even a song) as a certain genre, because people have different opinions and genres change. Saying you like psych rock identifies a fairly narrow set of bands, but two psych rock songs can still be really different.

Like, Master of Puppets can kind of be considered rock, specifically hard rock, but it's really more like metal, and it's really really more like thrash metal.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Oregonaut » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:49 pm UTC

To me, Hard Rock = AC/DC, Metallica of the Load/ReLoad era, Black Album.

Kill 'em All, Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, ...and Justice For All = Thrash Metal.

Because Metallica has some Hard Rock stuff, does not make all Metallica Hard Rock stuff.

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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby Antimony-120 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:58 pm UTC

Magnanimous wrote:The whole point of that quote is that it's sort of pointless to label a band (or even a song) as a certain genre, because people have different opinions and genres change. Saying you like psych rock identifies a fairly narrow set of bands, but two psych rock songs can still be really different.

Like, Master of Puppets can kind of be considered rock, specifically hard rock, but it's really more like metal, and it's really really more like thrash metal.


Not the point, of course a genre does not completely define a band, and the genre boundries are arbitrary and fluid. Still a useful definition. If I suggest to you that Diego Garcia is an island near the centre of the Indian ocean the fact that the indian ocean lacks a clearly defined boundry on two sides is irrelevant. The northern side is Asia, the Western edge is Africa, Whether or not you inculde the Antarctic ocean part of the Indian ocean or not is up for grabs, and where exactly the Indian/Pacific boundry is depends on who you ask. In spite of all that, you still had a rough idea where Diego Garcia is located.

In the same way, calling Metallica Blues or Rock n' Roll gives some information (specifically about the likely size and insturmantal make-up of the band, as opposed to classical or jazz), Calling it metal gives more information (about chord arrangements and tempo) and calling it thrash metal gives more info still. It's not supposed to be a perfect definition, but it still gives some info.
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Re: I Shouldn't Have To Say This

Postby sje46 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:32 am UTC

Magnanimous wrote:The whole point of that quote is that it's sort of pointless to label a band (or even a song) as a certain genre, because people have different opinions and genres change. Saying you like psych rock identifies a fairly narrow set of bands, but two psych rock songs can still be really different.

Like, Master of Puppets can kind of be considered rock, specifically hard rock, but it's really more like metal, and it's really really more like thrash metal.

You're not mumpy though, and that still doesn't prove any point. I can use the same logic with accents. The Northeast American accent is very different than the Texan accent. That doesn't mean that "American accent" doesn't describe general trends that define all of the individual accents.
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