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Postby TheNextCaesar » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:25 pm UTC

Can anyone here tell me where I can get a lockpick here in the U.S.?
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby mrbaggins » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:33 pm UTC

Buy em online, or know a locksmith.
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Postby TheNextCaesar » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:22 am UTC

Do you know any websites? Ebay seemed to be pretty useless.
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Postby TheKrikkitWars » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:25 am UTC

Online, just check that they're legal to own in your state.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Magilla » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:49 am UTC

I usually make my own.

Bump keys are far more effective, but manual picking is much more fun ;)
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby EdgarJPublius » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:58 am UTC

sometimes locksmiths or sword shops will sell them. Depends on the state though.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Carnildo » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:10 am UTC

TheNextCaesar wrote:Do you know any websites? Ebay seemed to be pretty useless.

Ebay's useless because they explicitly prohibit selling them. Most websites will be useless because it's illegal to mail lockpicks (or other burglary tools) in the US. Your best bet is to 1) make sure it's legal to possess them in your jurisdiction, and 2) make your own. The MIT lockpicking guide is a good starting point.

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby fyrenwater » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:51 am UTC

Pretty sure lockpicks are illegal in all/most states. Why do you even need one? Call me paranoid, but it seems pretty suspicious.
...It made more sense in my head.

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Carnildo » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:56 am UTC

fyrenwater wrote:Pretty sure lockpicks are illegal in all/most states. Why do you even need one? Call me paranoid, but it seems pretty suspicious.

Lockpicks are legal in most states. What's illegal is things like "possession with intent" or "possession of burglary tools" or the like.

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby mrbaggins » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:04 am UTC

Having them on you (as you walk around your neighbourhood) isn't legal in Australia. You have to have them like, in the car or something until you need them.

It also loses you a lot of points if there is a burglary in the area and you are brought in for questioning and found to have a set on you/in the car. You end up needing to prove why you had them and stuff...

I just went looking for the explicit legislation, but google is failing me yet again.

Edit: Apparently it's illegal to have the outside your house in Queensland... Wow... useful...
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby MoonBuggy » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:32 pm UTC

fyrenwater wrote:Pretty sure lockpicks are illegal in all/most states. Why do you even need one? Call me paranoid, but it seems pretty suspicious.
Simple curiosity? Lockpicking is a fairly cool puzzle-type challenge.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby EdgarJPublius » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:28 pm UTC

fyrenwater wrote:Pretty sure lockpicks are illegal in all/most states. Why do you even need one? Call me paranoid, but it seems pretty suspicious.

no, possessing is legal in most U.S> jurisdictions, it's just sales etc. that are generally regulated, or like Carnildo says, stuff like 'possession with intent'.

Lockpicking is a popular hobby, like safecracking, a good lock is a challenging puzzle, and I'm sure the thought that it could be used for something illegal makes it seem more exciting to man people.

Also, it's a useful skill to have if you've ever been locked out of your house, or forgotten the keys to somewhere you're supposed to have access to, like a storage room or something.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Amarantha » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:21 am UTC

When I lost the key to a cupboard once, I found some interesting lock-picking advice on HowStuffWorks. (Didn't try it, though; found another key that worked for that lock.)

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Shadic » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:47 am UTC

I think you'll have quite a bit of annoyance trying to get them from anywhere, so I'm not really sure what to say... If you just want to open locks though, bump-keys would likely be your best option, and they're certainly pretty easy to get.

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby TheNextCaesar » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:47 pm UTC

MoonBuggy wrote:
fyrenwater wrote:Pretty sure lockpicks are illegal in all/most states. Why do you even need one? Call me paranoid, but it seems pretty suspicious.
Simple curiosity? Lockpicking is a fairly cool puzzle-type challenge.

This.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby iscrewupCOPPAquestions » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:32 am UTC

I bought a set several years back from Northern Tool. They have come in handy many many times including:
>>repeatedly opening a filing cabinet to which the company lost the keys. (I drove home and got them each time)
>>unlocking my computer tower, to which I lost the keys
>>unlocking the other basement door that had remained locked since I moved in to allow me to replace the lock with one I had keys for.

The exact set I own is still for sale=>
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200312513_200312513

*edit: it is a bit of a cheap set, but for 20 smackers you can't go wrong

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby vslayer » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:24 am UTC

just look at the wikipedia page on lockpicks then go make your own. i made mine out of 3 sets of cheap tweezers and a hex key, all it took was a vice, some pliers and a grinder.

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby mrbaggins » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:42 am UTC

Exccluding the torque wrench, making your own can be more an exercise in frustration as you probably aren't going to get them right, plus, when made out of correct materials, they are stronger, more effective and you'll learn far quicker.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Rippy » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:23 pm UTC

Scariness: I bought a 14-piece lockpicking set from lockpickcanada.com (they had quite fast shipping I might add) after finding out that it's legal to do so. That's not the scary part. The scary part is that, after 15 minutes reading the MIT lockpicking guide and 5 minutes of tinkering, I was able to open the deadbolt lock to my house.

So basically, anyone with $40 and 20 minutes of time could break into my house without leaving a trace.

At the same time, though, it was hella fun. :)

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:46 pm UTC

You are familiar with the saying of "Locks keep honest people honest", right? I mean.. I don't mean to be all "RAR REAL LIFE" but.. yeah, brick + window = I'm in your house with even less time and money. Foot + Back Door = I'm probably in your house without even needing a brick. There's a lot you can do in 10-20 minutes in a house to steal things, especially if you don't care about leaving a trace, that are pretty much impossible to track.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby DSenette » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:48 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:You are familiar with the saying of "Locks keep honest people honest", right? I mean.. I don't mean to be all "RAR REAL LIFE" but.. yeah, brick + window = I'm in your house with even less time and money. Foot + Back Door = I'm probably in your house without even needing a brick. There's a lot you can do in 10-20 minutes in a house to steal things, especially if you don't care about leaving a trace, that are pretty much impossible to track.

indeed...most criminals who are actually out to steal things don't sit at the door for 5 to 20 minutes fiddling with a lock...they find the closest window and they're in...if you don't have an alarm they can be in your house for probably an hour or more before anyone would know about it...hell once they're in they can unlock the door from the inside then start carrying stuff out as if they're a moving company, $10 says your neighbors wouldn't bat an eyelash
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby mrbaggins » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:09 pm UTC

A large proportion of burglaries (as in, something like 20-30%) that occur in extra large houses are WHILE the people are present. Hence lockpicks become a lot more necessary as they are quiet. A good picker can get into a standard house lock in between 2 and 20 seconds.
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Postby SecondTalon » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:32 pm UTC

DSenette wrote:
SexyTalon wrote:You are familiar with the saying of "Locks keep honest people honest", right? I mean.. I don't mean to be all "RAR REAL LIFE" but.. yeah, brick + window = I'm in your house with even less time and money. Foot + Back Door = I'm probably in your house without even needing a brick. There's a lot you can do in 10-20 minutes in a house to steal things, especially if you don't care about leaving a trace, that are pretty much impossible to track.

indeed...most criminals who are actually out to steal things don't sit at the door for 5 to 20 minutes fiddling with a lock...they find the closest window and they're in...if you don't have an alarm they can be in your house for probably an hour or more before anyone would know about it...hell once they're in they can unlock the door from the inside then start carrying stuff out as if they're a moving company, $10 says your neighbors wouldn't bat an eyelash
A large moving van and a look like you're supposed to be there is often all you really need.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Ichapp » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:48 pm UTC

Answering the OP's question: I think making them is a pretty good option. There are all sorts of videos on Youtube that can be helpful with this sort of thing. I made a few picks using tips from this one. It's pretty easy but takes a little bit of time.
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Postby Magilla » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:46 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:You are familiar with the saying of "Locks keep honest people honest", right? I mean.. I don't mean to be all "RAR REAL LIFE" but.. yeah, brick + window = I'm in your house with even less time and money. Foot + Back Door = I'm probably in your house without even needing a brick. There's a lot you can do in 10-20 minutes in a house to steal things, especially if you don't care about leaving a trace, that are pretty much impossible to track.

The same very much applies to road rules. And copyright. And probably eleventy billion other things.

The difference is that if there is no sign of forced entry, your insurance company may say "you left your door unlocked - don't come crying to us".

This makes bump keys especially scary.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Surgery » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:36 am UTC

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Postby Magilla » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:53 am UTC

They shouldn't, if made and used correctly.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Squid Tamer » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:06 am UTC

You know, a few months ago I just randomly found a bump key. I was going through some junk, and found a random key. I looked at it for a second, and realized that it way a bump key, having looked at pictures of one the very day before.

I haven't got it to work yet, but I haven't tried too hard.

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Postby Magilla » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:18 am UTC

That's a rather strange item to have "just lying around"...
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Midnight » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:30 am UTC

Yeah but anyone beyond a forensics specialist is not going to pick up on it. You need some specialized tools to see into the darkness of a lock, unless you crack it open and take a gander--and then i doubt that the intruding devices leave many more scratches than an average key.
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Postby scrovak » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:23 am UTC

It depends. Whatever you use to keep the tumbler torqued while prodding the pins will definitely leave marks inside the tumbler irregular to key usage. I should really get a set, or build one. For those who've built their own, what do you suggest as the best possible materials to start with? I've heard bike spokes are really the best but I want to know from people who've made their own...
EDIT** Also, as far as breaking in easily, depending on the house in question's construction integrity and quality of lock and seal, one could simply use a credit card to access at least 20% of homes across the country, and that's a low estimate.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Magilla » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:59 am UTC

The torque is applied to the bumpkey itself.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby scrovak » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:52 am UTC

I meant using traditional lockpicks, rather than a bumpkey. Though wouldn't a bumpkey show stress irregular with typical key usage on the sides of the pins themselves? Rather sharp divets nicks as opposed to wear and tear striations?
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Postby Amnesiasoft » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:02 pm UTC

Because everyone's first thought is going to be "Hey, the guy who broke in must have used a bump key, I'm going to disassemble the lock on my front door and look for scratches inconsistent with standard key usage!"

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Re: Lockpicks

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Postby Amnesiasoft » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:00 pm UTC

My point is most people aren't going to think that. Most people probably don't even know what a bump key is.

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby mrbaggins » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:18 pm UTC

And 99% of people wouldn't know the forensic detailed scratch patterns that a bump key makes over a normal one. You aren't bumping it hard enough to dislodge the door here. It's barely any different to pushing the key in.
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Re: Lockpicks

Postby xakaron » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:39 am UTC

lockpicking101.com

forum all about lockpicking as a hobby, as well as how to make and where to buy.

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby Jorpho » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:46 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
DSenette wrote:indeed...most criminals who are actually out to steal things don't sit at the door for 5 to 20 minutes fiddling with a lock...they find the closest window and they're in...if you don't have an alarm they can be in your house for probably an hour or more before anyone would know about it...hell once they're in they can unlock the door from the inside then start carrying stuff out as if they're a moving company, $10 says your neighbors wouldn't bat an eyelash
A large moving van and a look like you're supposed to be there is often all you really need.
Also, look angry and carry a clipboard.

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Re: Lockpicks

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:52 am UTC

Pfft. Movers don't use clipboards. They do, however, use crudely marked cardboard boxes with the up arrows all pointed down.

I recommend one box marked Bedroom, one marked Kitchen, one marked Living Room, and 60 marked "Misc"
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