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Zombies! - A Mega-Merg'd Thread

Postby Nomic » Wed May 30, 2007 1:28 pm UTC

After watching some good old zombie movies in th emiddle of the night, I got an urge to devour the brains of the living...I mean make a post a bout zombies, our living impaired friends. Cause zombies are just cool. Zombie apocalypse is one of the few movie/fantasy scenarios that when applied to real life provide interesting discussions. Ask something how he has prepared for the eventual robot uprising and I bet they just look at you funny, but as if their house is zombie-safe (and if not, would they like to buy a zombie insurance) you might get some interesting conversations about the safetyness of everyday places during a zombie attack. I do have some zombie related questions that I figured you might know the answer to

Ok, everybody knows zombies eat the tasty flesh of the living and they seem to prefer the brains. But why exactly do zombies (who are already dead, thus shouldn't have any bodily functions or need to feed) eat people? If they don't get any food will they "starve" (re-die?)?. And why do they want to eat my brains anyway? Do brains taste better? Can zombies even taste? They seem to prefer human flesh over animal meat.

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Postby MFHodge » Wed May 30, 2007 1:35 pm UTC

To obey the laws of thermodynamics. Since Zombies are capable of motion (kinetic energy) they must have some energy source. Logically, they get this energy by consuming biomass, the same as they did in their pre-death life.

As far as why they prefer humans over other animals, you might as well ask why I prefer chicken and beef over other animals. It's just what I like. What's it to ya?

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Postby SecondTalon » Wed May 30, 2007 1:39 pm UTC

Depends on who's writing it, really. Romero Zombies - never really said one way or the other if they like animals or not, but animals are missing from the movies. Max Brooks zombies love animals. One of the passages in World War Z mentioned zombies digging after rabbits. Return of the Living Dead zombies eat brains for the chemicals in the brain that reduce/remove the pain of being dead. But for the most part they feed on the living as an instinct, not a decision. Basically, they're programmed to eat flesh, so they do. Unthinkingly. The only instance I know where they figured out why they ate people was in Return of the Living Dead, where the zombies spoke.
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Postby Alcari » Wed May 30, 2007 2:11 pm UTC

It seems you all need to read The zombie survival guide

I'd hate to be the only survivor when the undead hordes descend upon us


if you ask nicely i might have a ... source ...

Seriously. Knock it the hell off with tiny text. :-[

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Re: Zombies!

Postby Waha » Wed May 30, 2007 3:26 pm UTC

Nomic wrote:
Ok, everybody knows zombies eat the tasty flesh of the living and they seem to prefer the brains. But why exactly do zombies (who are already dead, thus shouldn't have any bodily functions or need to feed) eat people?

You know, I never found out why.

Nomic wrote:If they don't get any food will they "starve" (re-die?)?.

No. The only way to kill a zombie is by destroying the brain. They don't actually feed to live.

Nomic wrote:And why do they want to eat my brains anyway? Do brains taste better? Can zombies even taste? They seem to prefer human flesh over animal meat.


They don't eat brains. I also don't even know how this rumor came to be. And I don't think they eat animals unless they're like an ape or chimp or something. Since we share such similar DNA with them. Dogs and stuff for the most part seem to be fine, as seen in DotD 04 (although that isn't exactly the best source for this stuff), but I think in older ones animals are known to get eated.

I suppose it depends on who makes the movies.

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Postby SecondTalon » Wed May 30, 2007 3:46 pm UTC

Again, in Return of the Living Dead they specifically require brains. This is where the zombie cry of "Brains!" originated. As near as I know, this is the only source that states why they eat what they eat. Outside of that, your guess is as good as mine... but we are talking about something that defies the laws of biology as we know them. So why would it's feeding habits conform to these laws?

But.. it does always go back to the writer in question. Romero Zombies are not the same as Dawn of the Dead 2004 Zombies, which are different from Brooks Zombies who bear only passing similarities to 28 Days Later Infected who are different from Resident Evil Zombies.
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Postby Alcari » Wed May 30, 2007 3:46 pm UTC

if you ask nicely i might have a ... source ...

Seriously. Knock it the hell off with tiny text. :-[

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If you look at it from a virus standpoint, the "eating" is simply a way to infect more hosts, it's easy for the virus to say "EAT!" then to say "give em a gentle bite and don't damage it to much"
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Postby Nyarlathotep » Wed May 30, 2007 3:47 pm UTC

I actually had an amazing dream about this after watching Shaun of the Dead.

My uncle turned into a zombie becuase I accidentally hit him on the head with a shovel (only it wasn't my real uncle, it was some dream person that I labeled "my uncle" ) I ran away from him, but he chased me through the suburbs (most of my nightmares take place in suburbs). I tried everything - jumping over fences, climbing trees... but eventually he got me. I was in a tree and he bit my ankle.

So I died, but I woke up and was, somehow, an intelligent zombie.

Upon finding and talking to other zombies, I discovered that 1% of all people infected with zombieism retain their intelligence, but adopt a zombie metabolism.

This. Sucks.

In my dream, zombies were rather like vampires - they *needed* flesh to survive. I don't recall if it had to be human, but I think like vampires human stuff was far, far more nourishing. Animals just didn't quite cut it, probably for some weird supernatural reason.

Now, there were distinct charictaristics of zombies in my dream, usually laid out in comparison to vampires (which also existed in said dream)

* Zombies actually require flesh. Blood won't cut it. Brains aren't necessary, but important.
* Zombies still rot, unlike vampires, even if they do keep up a steady diet of flesh. However, eating flesh keeps stuff on their bones so they aren't reduced to, well, bone. They're just made of ROTTEN flesh. I distinctly remember in the dream that I started out looking like a normal human but eventually I got some serious rigor mortis in some of my limbs and a few maggots. I also got the impression that eating certain body parts restores other body parts - hence the need for brains (and if you're intelligent you need MORE brains!)
* Like vampires, if an intelligent zombie refrains from eating, they get overcome by hunger. It gets stronger and stronger until they just attack someone.
* Unlike vampires, zombies can eat people who are already dead. This was something a lot of the intelligent ones opted for - graverobbing. Hey, they aren't using their dead bodies! Also, we'd eat the entire body if it was already dead - this way there wouldn't be any risk of infection and making MORE of us.

The vampires really sucked (OW. PUN.) They were EXTREMELY rude and kept going on about how they'd be gorgeous for all eternity, and flaunted how sexy they were. Also they called me maggotbrain :( I retorted by saying that I didn't have any issues with sunshine, to which they said, "What good is that if you can't go out in it anyway since you look like that?"

There were so many weird cultural things in that dream... like intelligent zombies raiding funeral parlors for embalming fluid and such so that we could look a bit better. Even I think an underground group of intelligent zombie embalmers who worked to make us passable in human society.

I woke up thinking, "This'd make either a fantastic short story/novel or a killer RPG, White Wolf style."
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Postby SecondTalon » Wed May 30, 2007 3:50 pm UTC

The first. And the latter.
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Postby Alcari » Wed May 30, 2007 6:20 pm UTC

Nyarlathotep wrote:I actually had an amazing dream about this

hmm, wish I could dream in that kind of detail. Then again, it might be the first signs of either A- being a writer or B- serious mental issues...(just kidding)

Nyarlathotep wrote:I woke up thinking, "This'd make either a fantastic short story/novel or a killer RPG, White Wolf style."

That it will. It has also given me a great idea for a D&D adventure. I allready know the paladin player is going to hate me for it :twisted:
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Postby Oort » Wed May 30, 2007 10:48 pm UTC

Zombies rock. I never understood why (stupid) Roper from Ebert&Roper doesn't like them.

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Postby Castaway » Wed May 30, 2007 11:38 pm UTC

Zombies do rock, but they aren't real, so they don't need to make sense.

Who would win in a fight between 100 zombies and one raptor?
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Postby Gordon » Thu May 31, 2007 12:05 am UTC

Towards the end of highschool my friend Tim and I used to be overly afraid of zombies. I blame the Res Evil franchise.
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Postby Oort » Thu May 31, 2007 1:29 am UTC

Castaway wrote:Zombies do rock, but they aren't real, so they don't need to make sense.

Who would win in a fight between 100 zombies and one raptor?

I'm inclined to go with the zombies, by sheer force of numbers (assuming they are in a strategic location and the raptor can't just run away.)

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Postby Castaway » Thu May 31, 2007 1:41 am UTC

I would tend to disagree for the same reason that i think i could take 100 five year olds.
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Postby rachel » Thu May 31, 2007 1:44 am UTC

Castaway wrote:Who would win in a fight between 100 zombies and one raptor?



I'm going to go with the zombies, just because there are so many of them. But if there were less zombies, the raptor would definitely win. But raptors are extinct, so really it is a moot point that they would win against, say, twenty zombies. The zombies form a big mass entity, instead of really spreading out, so it'd be harder for the raptor to take them down with one hundred of them. With twenty it could pretty much kick some ass and take some names. Plus the raptor would have the added advantage of the zombies probably not trying to eat him or his brain.



I also had a dream about zombies. Except it was more a series of dreams that built upon each other. That or it was the same really long dream and I just remembered different parts of it each time I woke up. It was more like a movie, really. Anyway, it starts and I'm at the shopping mall, going to my car with some friends (the friends are usually always different each time, which is strange) and there are people running all over the place trying to get into cars and out of the parking garage because there are zombies coming (oh no!) and these zombies are the kind that can run fast if they want to. So my friends and I stop trying to find my car and work our way through this maze of a parking garage and then we're inside of a grocery store. But this grocery store is made entirely of glass. And the zombies end up breaking the glass. By that time, I've only got one friend left, and we duck down and try to just hide from the zombies, but that doesn't work. We have to run away and my friend gets eaten and I am the only one who survives. In the actual dreams it is much longer and way more involved than all that, though.


Another zombie dream I had the other night: I am upstairs in my room, chillin' hard on some beast ass shit, when out of no where this guy I used to like comes running up in my house telling me there are zombies on the loose. So we go downstairs, but they've infiltrated the house and he and I are in the kitchen, where there are no zombies, we hold hands. Then an atom bomb goes off or something. Then I wake up.
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Postby Alcari » Thu May 31, 2007 6:43 am UTC

it depends on the zombies, the raptor would loose if:
- The infection is carried by eating zombie flesh, or coming in contact with zombie blood
- The zombies are the fast running zombies of 28 days later
- the room is small
- The raptor has no place to retreat at night

If non of those are the case, say a raptor in a city with 100 zombies, then the raptor would eventually hunt them all down.
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Postby xooll » Thu May 31, 2007 6:46 am UTC

...you fools! they wouldn't fight... they'd team up against humanity!
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Postby German Sausage » Thu May 31, 2007 6:49 am UTC

yes, but we'd be down the gurgler pretty quick. this is them dorting out the balance of power post-humanity. my money is on zombies. raptors kill by hamstringing, and opening up your guts. hamstringing might slow down zombies, but they will shamble on, guts or no guts. i can't see raptors going on the defensive or setting up entrenched positions.
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Postby EvanED » Thu May 31, 2007 7:04 am UTC

Depending on the Zombie type, both lose.

It's not for a few hours after infection that a zombie victim has effects that will keep them from doing stuff, and not until about hour 11 that the victim is paralyzed (Brooks, 2003). Thus it's entirely possible that the raptor [why is that word not in Firefox's dictionary?] would succeed in "killing" all 100 zombies before succumbing to the infection.

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Postby miakoda » Thu May 31, 2007 4:26 pm UTC

German Sausage wrote:i can't see raptors going on the defensive or setting up entrenched positions.


See? This is why I love this site ... When I was house-hunting I told my mom I couldn't buy the house I ended up with because the big picture window in back wasn't zombie-proof. I'm pretty sure she rolled her eyes at me. (This was before I learned that raptors were the real danger, of course.)

Any gamer who likes a good, classic, military zombie scenario ought to check out James Wilbur's "Dead Ops" adventure in ESP vol. 2. It's statted for Unisystem but Unisys is pretty adaptable if you prefer old World of Darkness rules and similar systems.

As an aside, their kung-fu and old West sourcebooks (Enter the Zombie and Fistful of Zombies) were just amusing to read, IMO. A revenant who knows kung-fu is just all kinds of campy-scary!
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Postby Peshmerga » Thu May 31, 2007 4:46 pm UTC

If anyone loves zombies && plays Half-Life 2- http://www.zombiemaster.org
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Postby LE4dGOLEM » Thu May 31, 2007 4:52 pm UTC

The raptor would get Zombified, as the Raptor would get infected with the Zombie Virus as soon as it ingested any zombie-matter (like how if you eat a dead body with AIDS, you'll get AIDS).

Zombies, actual Living-Dead Zombies can't run, what with being dead bodies and all.

(I base almost all my knowledge on the work of Max Brooks, being the only person who takes the threat seriously. We should somehow get him to work on Raptor Survival Guides)
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Postby Awezing » Thu May 31, 2007 7:57 pm UTC

My friend and I have an ongoing debate about this hypothetical situation. we've been asking everybody we know and the answers seem to be pretty varied

Situation: you are completely surrounded by zombies, say on top of a car or something, and have not very long until your inescapable death. You have a gun, and with all the zombie shooting going on, you are down to your last bullet. Do you save the bullet for yourself, to make your death painless, and ensure that you yourself don't become a zombie, or do you shoot one more zombie out of spite and die horribly?


My answer depends on the size of my gun. If it were small, then i'd probably just take the easy way out and shoot myself, since it sorta counts as killing another zombie since i'd become one anyways (well maybe not, they might just eat me/rip me into lots of pieces). If i had a large shotgun or rifle or something, then after i use the last bullet, i could start clubbing zombies and if i'm lucky take down another couple before i go. I think i could deal with the more painful death if i had the opportunity to take down more zombies. i hate zombies.

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Postby Alcari » Thu May 31, 2007 9:09 pm UTC

asuming i'm this guy

First things first.

Say i'm on top of a car (dumb place to be when zombies start swarming, I'd likely be in my well-stocked three story house, with a destroyed staircase) I'd loose all non-tight clothing, anything the zombies can grab is dangerous. If they zombies are thin enough, i'd make a run for it.

otherwise, i'd take a piece of car, and start clobbering the zombies with it (asuming the car doesn't work of course)

failing all alternatives, i'd go for the fueltank.
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Postby Awezing » Thu May 31, 2007 9:33 pm UTC

i was thinking more of a small compact car or something that won't protect you much from grabby zombies.

also, i've heard that shooting fuel tanks won't actually make cars explode?

but congratulations, you're the first person so far to say he'd try running through a mob of countless zombies! I suppose if they're are slow enough and lacking enough motor control it could work. (assuming canonically "correct" zombies, aka brooks or romero ones, not 28 days later's angy, angry fast zombies).

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Postby ZeroSum » Thu May 31, 2007 9:57 pm UTC

I dunno if I'd rather off myself or turn. I think I'd rather turn. Chances are that if there's an afterlife I'd find it anyway because I imagine I'd die eventually as a zombie, even if that means waiting until I'm killed by a comet or sucked into a black hole.

If a zombie outbreak did occur, though, I'd be screwed. I don't have any close friends with guns and I live in a city in New England, so there's a lot of people, few guns and bad traffic.

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Postby rachel » Thu May 31, 2007 9:59 pm UTC

Man, you better think of a back-up escape plan. Or get a gun. But just keep it hidden. In an "Emergency Only - Zombie Outbreak" box.
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Postby ZeroSum » Thu May 31, 2007 10:13 pm UTC

I won't be buying a gun for at least three years. I have other things to give my money to first. Though I kind of want to go clay shooting on a regular basis, but I'm not good with doing anything I want to do on a regular basis and there are better things to do regularly first, namely running, climbing, parkour, and karting.

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Postby Alcari » Thu May 31, 2007 11:24 pm UTC

granted, Shooting the fuel tank doesn't make it explode, according to mythbusters. But i guess taking the bullet apart and burning some clothing with the powder could work.

but congratulations, you're the first person so far to say he'd try running through a mob of countless zombies!

I'd take likely death over certain death any day.

ZeroSum wrote:I don't have any close friends with guns and I live in a city in New England, so there's a lot of people, few guns and bad traffic.


When the undead start rising, head north. They freeze in the cold. IIRC new england shouldn't make it to difficult to head for the woods. Or you could retreat to some island.

Also, I don't actaully own a gun, but i do have two swords. A sword is more usefull then a pistol anyway. Swords don't run out of ammo, they don't jam (well, they do, but you just pull a bit harder) and swords don't need
reloading.

I also own a longbow, but I doubt arrows could pierce skulls.
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Postby LE4dGOLEM » Thu May 31, 2007 11:30 pm UTC

rachel wrote:"Emergency Only - Zombie Outbreak"


"In Case of Emergency Kick Ass"


EDIT: Also, parkour would vastly help in case of a Zombie Outbreak.
What with all the escaping and zombie-proof areas (what with them being able to manage not much more than a shuffle)
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Postby Castaway » Thu May 31, 2007 11:45 pm UTC

Flamethrowers would be ftw, but with gas prices....
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Postby ZeroSum » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:29 am UTC

Alcari wrote:granted, Shooting the fuel tank doesn't make it explode
Unfortunately.

When the undead start rising, head north. They freeze in the cold. IIRC new england shouldn't make it to difficult to head for the woods. Or you could retreat to some island.
I think woods are a terrible idea. You'd have to sleep out in the open with no protection and it's darker out there at night, and we know zombies have better night vision than humans.

A sword is more usefull then a pistol anyway.

I'd want a good spear, with boar bar and collapsible center, a shotgun, Scion xB (good mileage, reliability and storage space) and three friends with identical weapons.

I also own a longbow, but I doubt arrows could pierce skulls.
I think an arrow designed to pierce could. I know they'll punch through a trash can full of sand or an oak door.

LE4dGOLEM wrote:Also, parkour would vastly help in case of a Zombie Outbreak.
What with all the escaping and zombie-proof areas (what with them being able to manage not much more than a shuffle)

Unless they were fast zombies. (28 Days Later infected)

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Postby Alcari » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:32 am UTC

I think an arrow designed to pierce could. I know they'll punch through a trash can full of sand or an oak door.

To bad i lack the skulls to test this on.

I'd want a good spear, with boar bar and collapsible center, a shotgun, Scion xB (good mileage, reliability and storage space) and three friends with identical weapons.

You, my friend, would not last long.
A spear is hard to use in tight quarters, and while it may keep zombies away from you, you'd have to strike them in the mouth to make a kill. Image what would happen if the spear got stuck in an undead?

A shotgun is VERY loud, so you'd atract atention from all the undead in the city, which is a bad idea. Also, the ammo is big and bulky, and you'd need to get in close to make a headshot count.

The car isn't going to do you much good with the massive trafficjams caused by fleeing people.

My personal weapons of choice would be:

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A long range rifle, for distant kills. The slow reload doesn't matter as long as you can keep them away, one shot one kill for when there are a lot of them.

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For when a rifle is to unwieldy, or you run out of ammo, or they're to close.

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To hold all the other important stuff, such as food, water, bedroll etc.

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Doesn't need explaining.
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Postby EvanED » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:43 pm UTC

Alcari wrote:Also, I don't actaully own a gun, but i do have two swords. A sword is more usefull then a pistol anyway. Swords don't run out of ammo, they don't jam (well, they do, but you just pull a bit harder) and swords don't need reloading.


But they are not ranged weapons. I would prefer not to be in a situation where I am within sword's range of a zombie. That's why you need both.

Brooks actually recommends a katana as an ideal short-range weapon.

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Postby SecondTalon » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:07 pm UTC

I think he rethought that idea, as the ideal weapon in WWZ is essentially a reinforced sharpend shovel.
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Postby LE4dGOLEM » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:09 pm UTC

ZeroSum wrote:Unless they were fast zombies. (28 Days Later infected)


However, these are discounted as they do not exist.

If you're going to use a Rifle, go for an AK 74 (improved '47).
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Postby SecondTalon » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:12 pm UTC

LE4dGOLEM wrote:However, these are discounted as they do not exist.


Psst... we're discussing undead creatures... it's pretty safe to assume they all don't exist.

Except for Wolfmen Vampires. Who are also surfers.
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