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The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:Why? It does nothing to address dance music's core problem: the fact that it sucks.
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TheTankengine wrote:I'm assuming this is in reference to datum being the singular of data.
I have always been fascinated with the "-i" suffix for plurals.
Octopi, hippopotami, fori...
OBJECTION!
Octopus is a greek word. It's Octopodes.

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Also, it would might take a while for the spambots to find it again?
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The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:Why? It does nothing to address dance music's core problem: the fact that it sucks.
Correct Latin is definitely "fora", because "forum" is neuter.
But in English you don't have to follow the original language, you're allowed to just throw an "s" on the end, most of the time.
"octopuses" & "octopodes" are both ok. As are "forums" and "fora", although "fora" is nicer to my Latinised brain. "Maoris" and "Maori" are also technically both fine, but it's way more culturally sensitive to say "Maori".
But in English you don't have to follow the original language, you're allowed to just throw an "s" on the end, most of the time.
"octopuses" & "octopodes" are both ok. As are "forums" and "fora", although "fora" is nicer to my Latinised brain. "Maoris" and "Maori" are also technically both fine, but it's way more culturally sensitive to say "Maori".
I like fora. And Christmae!
Actually, that's probably one of my favourite pluralised forms, the 'e' on the end. And 'a', I guess, also. And I think fora will make us different, and cool, and maybe somewhat less botted. Would they not be programmed to look for "forums.site" to post? I doubt any would be clever enough (or their programmers insightful enough) to include fora in the spam program.
EDIT: Edited for clarity. It's cold and it's 8:30 and I was woken up simultaneously by road repair/neighbours barking dogs/delivery guy I had forgotten to expect, so sorry if it still makes no sense.
Actually, that's probably one of my favourite pluralised forms, the 'e' on the end. And 'a', I guess, also. And I think fora will make us different, and cool, and maybe somewhat less botted. Would they not be programmed to look for "forums.site" to post? I doubt any would be clever enough (or their programmers insightful enough) to include fora in the spam program.
EDIT: Edited for clarity. It's cold and it's 8:30 and I was woken up simultaneously by road repair/neighbours barking dogs/delivery guy I had forgotten to expect, so sorry if it still makes no sense.
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Peshmerga wrote:Fore?
Fore...play? :O
yes, or skin
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The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:Why? It does nothing to address dance music's core problem: the fact that it sucks.
Just as long as nobody starts trying to pluralise -us with -ii. It's just one i. Radii has two i's because radius already had one there in the singular, dammit!
One of my other forums often has people who think they're clever saying "virii" and even trying to correct people who say "viruses" or "viri". It annoys me. A lot.
The people who say penii annoy me even more, because if that -is is going to pluralise to anything other that -ises, it's -es! I looked it up and penes really is listed an acceptable plural of penis. I think it's a brilliant word, but it put me off eating penne pasta somehow.
One of my other forums often has people who think they're clever saying "virii" and even trying to correct people who say "viruses" or "viri". It annoys me. A lot.
The people who say penii annoy me even more, because if that -is is going to pluralise to anything other that -ises, it's -es! I looked it up and penes really is listed an acceptable plural of penis. I think it's a brilliant word, but it put me off eating penne pasta somehow.

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Yes, ye needs to come back. I like to be able to specify whether I'm using singular you and plurular you. Thee, thou and thy can stay out, but authors need to learn to use them correctly if they're going to use them. Thou is you(object), thee is you(subject) and thy just means your. It's really not that hard and I keep seeing it done wrong.
Also, I'd like inclusive and exclusive versions of we and us. It can get confusing when you tell your flatmate "we're going to the shops" and they assume you mean an inclusive we and argue that they're too busy right now and want to go in an hour or so when you actually meant an exclusive one because you and your girlfriend are about to go.
Also, I'd like inclusive and exclusive versions of we and us. It can get confusing when you tell your flatmate "we're going to the shops" and they assume you mean an inclusive we and argue that they're too busy right now and want to go in an hour or so when you actually meant an exclusive one because you and your girlfriend are about to go.
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They can't get enough of their collective nouns, eh?
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Gelsamel wrote:We're still not talking about anything not-nerdy yet so it should be forum rather then fora.
Come again?
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Ephphatha wrote:I vote for fora. I'll be forced to update my bookmarks though... That may be a challenge.
but you wouldnt need to change the bookmark for xkcd.com, so you could just follow the fora link from there
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Not informal - quite the opposite, in fact. When they were in use they were the correct terms for formal speech. I see a lot of wannabe-authors using them wrong, with "thee" and "thou" swapped around or "thy" in place of either or both of them. It's messy, it's confusing and it's wrong.
It's a long time since I studied German in high school, but I think they still use "du" and "sie" the same way English once used "thou" and "thee". "Sie" also means "she" and "you"(plurular) though, so they're still silly.
As for moopanda's input, I promise that from now on I'll use quote marks whenever I'm referring to the word itself rather than its meaning. I was going to today, but I was typing it on a laptop with one of those horrible keyboards that laptops tend to have. The apostrophe/quote key is surprisingly awkward on it, so I figured I'd leave them out and you guys would know what I meant.
It's a long time since I studied German in high school, but I think they still use "du" and "sie" the same way English once used "thou" and "thee". "Sie" also means "she" and "you"(plurular) though, so they're still silly.
As for moopanda's input, I promise that from now on I'll use quote marks whenever I'm referring to the word itself rather than its meaning. I was going to today, but I was typing it on a laptop with one of those horrible keyboards that laptops tend to have. The apostrophe/quote key is surprisingly awkward on it, so I figured I'd leave them out and you guys would know what I meant.
Ahh, but you see, I have the xkcd rss feed set in Thunderbird, so I check that for new comics. Same with the blog.no-genius wrote:Ephphatha wrote:I vote for fora. I'll be forced to update my bookmarks though... That may be a challenge.
but you wouldnt need to change the bookmark for xkcd.com, so you could just follow the fora link from there
I'm not lazy, I'm just getting in early for Christmas is all...
This is how I understood it:
You/ye/thou/thee
(and "thy" is posssessive singular)
e.g. Sally is talking to Billy
"Would thou take me to the pictures?"
"I would love you take thee to the pictures"
Billy and Bobby are talking to Sally and Molly
"Mind if we take ye to the pictures?"
"You may take us to the pictures."
Basically use ye/thee where "me" would work, and you/thou where "I" would work.
You/ye/thou/thee
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Object Subject
Singular Thee Thou
Plural Ye You
(and "thy" is posssessive singular)
e.g. Sally is talking to Billy
"Would thou take me to the pictures?"
"I would love you take thee to the pictures"
Billy and Bobby are talking to Sally and Molly
"Mind if we take ye to the pictures?"
"You may take us to the pictures."
Basically use ye/thee where "me" would work, and you/thou where "I" would work.
Teaspoon wrote:It's a long time since I studied German in high school, but I think they still use "du" and "sie" the same way English once used "thou" and "thee". "Sie" also means "she" and "you"(plurular) though, so they're still silly.
I know this probably isn't relevant any more, I just wanted to give my rusty German some exercise.

Also, and this is just from memory, while sie = she, it uses different possessive pronouns to Sie = you. I think, for example, the feminine is ihnen while the plural is ihren. (They might be the other way around, but I am sure they are different.) The plural form of sie = they is used for Sie = you (s.), rather than the verb forms taken by du = you (s.) which might be a little easier to distinguish if you're talking about some girl or talking to the person you are talking to, but it was still incredibly annoying to have that to remember on top of those damn gendered pronouns.
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TheTankengine wrote:myoumyouou wrote:argh, i've always hated the word "you's" or however its spelt
its such a horrible rapeage of the english language
Wrong.
Quit arguing, yous guys! Hey, that is cool
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The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:Why? It does nothing to address dance music's core problem: the fact that it sucks.
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Verysillyman wrote:I want to campaign for 'ye' to be brought back into common usage, since it's really quite useful and there's nothing taking it's place except 'you guys' or (God forbid) 'youse'.
I shall start to use octopodes. It solves many problems and makes me feel knowledgable.
The "Y" in "ye" (as in, ye olde whatever) is not actually a "y"; it's letter that looks suspiciously like a y, but is actually more like a
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... like a stylized letter "y". It meant a "th" sound. like thorn.

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