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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby uncivlengr » Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:53 pm UTC

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Glassware intended to contain the aroma (ie, "lock in" the taste) would have a narrow top. The flared weisen and pilsner glasses (like this activator glass) have a wide top (and are often etched on the bottom) to do the exact opposite - they're intended to release the aroma.
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Postby Poochy » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:08 am UTC

I just saw an eDIets commercial which manages to rival Snuggie's "too incompetent to operate a blanket" by showing a guy trying to use a fork and knife to slice a hamburger patty while it's still frozen.

If you're trying to eat hamburger straight out of the freezer, you probably don't need to lose weight, 'cause I doubt you're eating anything you can digest.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:53 pm UTC

So, last night, I saw a commercial for Crest whitening strips (they seem to be guilty of a lot of douchebaggery). At the end it mentioned something called "3D Whitening Strips".

So, for the last 15 hours, I have been thinking, "3D WHITENING? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?? AAAAAAUUUUGHH!!!!!!!"

I looked online, and apparently it means that it involves 3 products, or something. So... care to tell me what the "D" stands for? It's not "dimension", because that wouldn't make any sens- oh. Of course.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Oregonaut » Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:57 pm UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:So, last night, I saw a commercial for Crest whitening strips (they seem to be guilty of a lot of douchebaggery). At the end it mentioned something called "3D Whitening Strips".

So, for the last 15 hours, I have been thinking, "3D WHITENING? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?? AAAAAAUUUUGHH!!!!!!!"

I looked online, and apparently it means that it involves 3 products, or something. So... care to tell me what the "D" stands for? It's not "dimension", because that wouldn't make any sens- oh. Of course.


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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby KrazyerKate » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:04 pm UTC

Even commercials are starting to point out fallacies in commercials.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby meatyochre » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:36 pm UTC

I am really upset with advertising to people who are at your place of business and consuming your products. Examples: I go to get gas at Speedway. There's a tv monitor on top of the gas pump advertising for not only Speedway itself, but for other companies who buy airtime. Walmart also has those fuckass tvs on their registers and in every aisle advertising Walmart products.

I stopped watching television to escape ads. I DON'T WANT YOU TO ADVERTISE TO ME WHEN I'M ALREADY BUYING YOUR SHIT OK!

This is a recent phenomenon and maybe it's only in large American cities. I don't know and I don't care. But it makes me want to walk around the store with blinders and ear plugs.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby uncivlengr » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:45 pm UTC

meatyochre wrote:This is a recent phenomenon and maybe it's only in large American cities.
That's pretty standard in general - it's just the fact that it's being displayed on a television screen that clues you into the fact that you're being coerced into purchasing products, due to your association to television commercials.

They don't put those "Buy One, Get One Free" labels on products at your grocery store, or the "30% Off!" signs outside the electronics store, or the posters showing attractive people wearing the jeans they're selling at that clothing store, because they don't intend to convince you to buy things.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Giant Speck » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:45 am UTC

KrazyerKate wrote:Even commercials are starting to point out fallacies in commercials.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby meatyochre » Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:05 am UTC

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meatyochre wrote:This is a recent phenomenon and maybe it's only in large American cities.
That's pretty standard in general - it's just the fact that it's being displayed on a television screen that clues you into the fact that you're being coerced into purchasing products, due to your association to television commercials.

They don't put those "Buy One, Get One Free" labels on products at your grocery store, or the "30% Off!" signs outside the electronics store, or the posters showing attractive people wearing the jeans they're selling at that clothing store, because they don't intend to convince you to buy things.

I'm talking about moving and talking advertisements as being nouveau, not just print ads on a shelf or in a window. It's not something I ever experienced prior to living in Chicagoland.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:47 am UTC

meatyochre wrote:I am really upset with advertising to people who are at your place of business and consuming your products. Examples: I go to get gas at Speedway. There's a tv monitor on top of the gas pump advertising for not only Speedway itself, but for other companies who buy airtime. Walmart also has those fuckass tvs on their registers and in every aisle advertising Walmart products.

I stopped watching television to escape ads. I DON'T WANT YOU TO ADVERTISE TO ME WHEN I'M ALREADY BUYING YOUR SHIT OK!

This is a recent phenomenon and maybe it's only in large American cities. I don't know and I don't care. But it makes me want to walk around the store with blinders and ear plugs.


I see this in a relatively small city in Sweden as well, so it seems pretty wide spread. And it inherits a significant douchebaggery factor from how invasive it is.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby uncivlengr » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:35 am UTC

meatyochre wrote:
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meatyochre wrote:This is a recent phenomenon and maybe it's only in large American cities.
That's pretty standard in general - it's just the fact that it's being displayed on a television screen that clues you into the fact that you're being coerced into purchasing products, due to your association to television commercials.

They don't put those "Buy One, Get One Free" labels on products at your grocery store, or the "30% Off!" signs outside the electronics store, or the posters showing attractive people wearing the jeans they're selling at that clothing store, because they don't intend to convince you to buy things.

I'm talking about moving and talking advertisements as being nouveau, not just print ads on a shelf or in a window. It's not something I ever experienced prior to living in Chicagoland.
But they're not two entirely different things, if your concern is being "advertised to". You're just more aware of that fact when it's on a television screen.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby GhostWolfe » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:22 am UTC

Lifebouy handwash claims that it is the fastest handwash, removing 99% more germs in just 10 seconds. But it says in the comparison that it's being compared to a non antiseptic/disinfecting handwash. So in reality, it probably isn't any different to any of the other germ-killing handwashes on the market.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby KrazyerKate » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:24 am UTC

Anyone seen the new Old Spice viral-marketing?

What's the opposite of douchebaggery?

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Postby The Scyphozoa » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:47 pm UTC

You mean where he personally responds to Twitter posts? I think the opposite of douchebaggery is awesomeness.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby phlip » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:20 am UTC

I was up entirely too late last night watching large quantities of those... very very funny.

Pay attention, advertisers: this is how you do viral marketing right... everyone knows it's a marketing stunt, but it's funny enough that we just don't care.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:31 am UTC

Ads can be base, banal, even stupid... but if they're actually funny, then we will remember, and that is the entire point of advertising.

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But you have to laugh and THEN buy.

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Postby KrazyerKate » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:44 pm UTC

Patashu wrote:But you have to laugh and THEN buy.


"Vote with your wallet". I'm going to buy a bar or two of Old Spice, even though I'll probably never use it. Maybe I'll be able to find a way to give them to a friend without it looking like I think they have bad B.O.

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Postby Oregonaut » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:54 pm UTC

The Old Spice guy proposed to a lady for a guy, that reeked of awesome in my book.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby uncivlengr » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:18 am UTC

KrazyerKate wrote:
Patashu wrote:But you have to laugh and THEN buy.


"Vote with your wallet". I'm going to buy a bar or two of Old Spice, even though I'll probably never use it. Maybe I'll be able to find a way to give them to a friend without it looking like I think they have bad B.O.
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I'd suggest contacting the actor himself and sending him $5 if you want to show some appreciation... I can't imagine how long it would have taken him standing there in one spot making all those videos.
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uncivlengr wrote:
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Patashu wrote:But you have to laugh and THEN buy.


"Vote with your wallet". I'm going to buy a bar or two of Old Spice, even though I'll probably never use it. Maybe I'll be able to find a way to give them to a friend without it looking like I think they have bad B.O.
Proctor & Gamble is a multi-billion dollar corporaton; they don't need any "support".
Er.. what?

See, here's the thing - if a multi-billion dollar corp doesn't notice a upward swing on their sales during a marketing campaign... they'll scrap it and start a new one. Ergo, if you want to see Mr. Mustafa continue his showerside chats, then you buy a bar of soap or something in order to say "Hey, P&G, this thing you're doing with the Old Spice Brand - keep it up"

All the chatter in the world won't keep it going if it doesn't move product.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby uncivlengr » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:31 am UTC

It just comes across like buying merchandise from that band you like just to "support" them, where that $20 is going to help them pay for gas to get to the next show.

In terms of most effectively expressing your appreciation for creativity, giving a few dollars to one of the largest corporations in the US for a product you don't actually need or intend to purchase again doesn't seem like the best way to go about it.

Anyway, the chatter certainly helps - it's the campaign at the moment, responding to twitter posts and questions on websites. Anyone who thinks about men's bodywash for the next year is going to immediately think of Old Spice, whether they want to "support" them or not, and that's the sign of an effective campaign.
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Postby SecondTalon » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:40 am UTC

..yes, assuming that thought translates to product moved.
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Postby Zohar » Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:05 am UTC

Huh, Old Spice is from Proctor & Gamble? Hmmm. I personally try to avoid their products as much as possible.
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Postby Goldstein » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:52 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:..yes, assuming that thought translates to product moved.

To be fair, that's the idea behind most advertising. Particularly that displayed throughout the remainder of this thread.
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Postby The Scyphozoa » Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:48 pm UTC

See, I thought the good idea was to support the superior product, to encourage corporations to develop superior products. It's not a good thing if they decide they can keep making crap products but with good advertising.
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Postby GraphiteGirl » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:03 am UTC

It depends on whether it's more important for you to support the creative work of really good advertisers by keeping them in business, or whether it's more important for you to support the creators of good products, or whether you're only willing to support a product if it's both well-advertised and a good product in and of itself.
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Postby Eastwinn » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:42 pm UTC

Those stupid "Trick your friends into thinking you have an x-ray phone!!!1!!" commercials.. the product is just a video of an x-ray image of someone's hand that moves around. That was all fine and good (the stupidity was expected), but the latest one is a full body one and it shows the heart beating.
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Postby TaintedDeity » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:02 pm UTC

The only versions I've seen of the x ray phone app are of women in jeans and then underwear! and then jeans again! and then underwear! and then jeans again over and over.
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Eastwinn wrote:Those stupid "Trick your friends into thinking you have an x-ray phone!!!1!!" commercials.. the product is just a video of an x-ray image of someone's hand that moves around. That was all fine and good (the stupidity was expected), but the latest one is a full body one and it shows the heart beating.

I haven't seen these. Got a link?

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Postby ConMan » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:04 am UTC

I see no problems with this. It's merely an update of the old ads in the magazines for X-ray glasses that would show someone looking at their hand through the glasses and seeing a skeletal version, while in the background was an attractive woman to suggest what else you could see. Send in your $5, wait 4-6 weeks for delivery, open the package and there is a pair of glasses with a picture of a skeletal hand on the inside.
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Postby Giant Speck » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:08 pm UTC

I wonder how HLN/CNN would react if they found out that my cable company plays commercials advertising shows on MSNBC on their network.
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Postby felltir » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:31 pm UTC

The new lenor TV adverts annoy the fuck out of me. They begin thusly:

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Postby Oregonaut » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:45 pm UTC

Felltir wrote:The new lenor TV adverts annoy the fuck out of me. They begin thusly:

"Over a thousand voters can't be wrong!"


I passed around a petition in a few malls some years ago (mostly as a social experiment for my college) stating that we needed to create legislation to completely remove carbon dioxide from the air we breathe. This was based on the premise that CO2 poisoning can lead to </insert long list of negative symptoms that are a problem when the scrubbers fail on the shuttles>. I had over 25,000 signatures by the time I was done. I only accepted people who were registered voters (supposedly, no way to check) and were willing to identify party affiliation (if any).

So yeah...1,000 voters can easily be wrong.
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Postby Giant Speck » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:50 pm UTC

Oregonaut wrote:
Felltir wrote:The new lenor TV adverts annoy the fuck out of me. They begin thusly:

"Over a thousand voters can't be wrong!"


I passed around a petition in a few malls some years ago (mostly as a social experiment for my college) stating that we needed to create legislation to completely remove carbon dioxide from the air we breathe. This was based on the premise that CO2 poisoning can lead to </insert long list of negative symptoms that are a problem when the scrubbers fail on the shuttles>. I had over 25,000 signatures by the time I was done. I only accepted people who were registered voters (supposedly, no way to check) and were willing to identify party affiliation (if any).

So yeah...1,000 voters can easily be wrong.

Would you like to release the statistics for that? That'd be interesting data to look over. :)
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Darkscull » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:54 pm UTC

Felltir wrote:"Over a thousand voters can't be wrong!"


This is part of a trend I've been noticing recently, playing into the anti-intellectualism that is becoming more popular.

The worst example I can remember (paraphrased, and I forget what it was advertising):

"<product> is scientifically proven, but the real reason we know it works is that people like you keep coming back and buying more."

There are loads of others that seem to be doing the same thing, transferring the authority of 'proof' from empirical science to personal experience. One annoying soundbite thing some toothpaste advert uses: "prove it to yourself".

'tis scary stuff, considering the problems the sort of attitudes they're supporting have caused already.
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Postby emceng » Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:03 pm UTC

Alternative medicine is pretty much exclusively based on that idea. "Science doesn't prove our claims, so just take out word for it!"
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Postby Oregonaut » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:25 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:Would you like to release the statistics for that? That'd be interesting data to look over. :)


25,614 were willing to fill it out. 13,021 told us to fuck off with varying degrees of politeness. 312 figured out what we were talking about and called us on it, usually accepting that we were doing a social experiment, though one dude did get really pissed about "left wing nutjobs trying to make good, honest, right wing folk look like gullible idiots". We were active in moving towards people, so this was not a passive study of whether people would answer us as they walked past, we would walk along side long enough to ask our question. We identified ourselves as "concerned citizens from the local community". We tossed uncomplete surveys where we couldn't fix an error right after getting it back from the person.

Self-identified political affiliation:
Democrats: 8,964
Republicans: 7,171
Unaffiliated: 7,026
Independants: 1,305
Libertarians: 894
Green Party: 214
Socialist Party: 35
Communist Party: 5

Self-identified age distribution:
18-24: 6,147
25-31: 10,245
32-38: 2,305
39-45: 4,562
46-52: 2,355

Self-identified gender:
Female: 14,342
Male: 11,272

Self-identified race:
White (non-latino): 16,392
Black/African-American: 6,403
Asian: 2,306
Other: 294
Hispanic/Latino: 204
Pacific Islander: 12
Native American/Alaskan Native: 3
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby sje46 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:11 pm UTC

The average person spends 20,000 minutes of their life kissing (Dentyne Pure commercial). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHqDPOXJRzY

Please tell me that isn't true. Else, I'm incredibly far behind, and I'm supposed to be in my sexy years right now.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Cane » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:20 pm UTC

I tried breaking it down in to 100 occasions of make-outs that total to 60 minutes each, plus 30 seconds per day for 77 years. Yeah, every one of those numbers seems too high.
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