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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby Rinsaikeru » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:49 pm UTC

It's pretty well an epidemic--that there aren't lots of well known female comics (or musicians or political figures etc) is used to make the claim that women can't do/be/succeed in the field. It's all over the place.

I remember a musican friend of mine explaining that in his music undergrad more than half of the class were women--but where do the women musicans go later? You hardly ever see them (except vocalists). The same applies to POC in music--it isn't that women don't want to be working musicians or comedians.
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Postby crickets » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:50 am UTC

So i found this photo today.

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Shark week just took on a whole other level of meaning.

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Postby parkaboy » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:01 am UTC

Rinsaikeru wrote:It's pretty well an epidemic--that there aren't lots of well known female comics (or musicians or political figures etc) is used to make the claim that women can't do/be/succeed in the field. It's all over the place.

I remember a musican friend of mine explaining that in his music undergrad more than half of the class were women--but where do the women musicans go later? You hardly ever see them (except vocalists). The same applies to POC in music--it isn't that women don't want to be working musicians or comedians.


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Postby Moo » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:43 am UTC

Crickets, that should be like the Woman Thread official logo!
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Postby Delalyra » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:13 am UTC

Plushie shark brain, anyone? :lol:

(Though I do confess, it annoys me that the picture of girlbits is labeled simply "vagina." (I know it wasn't you, crickets). THANK YOU THERE IS A BUNCH OF STUFF THERE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU CAN PUT YOUR PENIS IN.)
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Postby crowey » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:18 am UTC

is there a proper collective term for all the bits and pieces?

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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby Zohar » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:22 am UTC

Hmmm... female reproductive organs, I guess? Breasts aren't really used for reproduction.
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Postby Delalyra » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:48 am UTC

I use some neologism usually. I like "vulva" but usually it'll come out as "my whole vulva-area" "my girlbits" etc, or a string of clinical-sounding words.

While the vulva refers to external genetalia specifically (wiki), I'd be up for promoting that as a catchall word because to me it doesn't come with all that patriarchal baggage. And also it sounds pretty.

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Postby Moo » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:53 am UTC

"Love-triangle".


Joking! I read that in a steamy novel once, I just laughed and couldn't take any of the rest of it seriously (for a given ahem porny value of serious).
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Postby eternal luna » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:09 pm UTC

Steamy novels! I read my mother's on the first day of Shark Week because the pain is too distracting to read anything that requires more thought, and laughing seems to help the cramps.

Womanthread, I want to join a gym for strength training and the stretching/yoga classes that are held in the two I'm choosing between. The prices are fairly similar, as is the equipment, but one of them is woman-only. Are there any benefits to that? I'm nervous around men, but that happens everywhere, and I doubt that many will be in the classes I'm after, but I can't help but worry that there is a serious reason for the availability of women-only spaces.
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Postby Moo » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:12 pm UTC

There's a woman only as well as unisex gym in my town - I always assumed it was just related to women feeling self conscious about how they look or perform (see: stories of men coming over offering to help women with weights etc), or not wanting to worry about their boobs bouncing in tight outfits on the treadmill and getting gawked at, or not getting chatted up. Just goes to show again how oblivious I can be to other women's (totally legitimate) concerns...
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Postby suffer-cait » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:27 pm UTC

our woman's only gym is right next to the co-ed one.
personally i have never had any problems in the co-ed gym that i wouldn't have in a woman's one. personally, i prefer the co-ed one, because there are less girls, and i dun feel the need to compare myself to them. also, while they may have alterior motives, the guys are usually happy to give me free lessons on machine use, or even a routine to go through on the machines, where as i would feel too intimidated asking the other women. single sex gyms are there for any and all reason's you could want one. less guys to be creepy, more woman orriented, what ever else. if you are less comfortable around guys, go for the woman's one. but i'm pretty sure there is nothing increadibly and usually awful about co-ed gyms that scares women off, just a different comfort zone.
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Postby SDIX » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:58 pm UTC

wow, that picture is just... wow! I'm all amazed at work right now.

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Postby blue_eyedspacemonkey » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:11 pm UTC

I have been splurging for an outfit for my friend's 21st party:

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This is the first short skirt I've brought, and feel comfortable enough to wear in public. It's a big step for me :D
I have a month to find boots. Boots that I like, go with the outfit, but could be worn regularly, and are either flat, or a heel about 1-2 inches (my ankles won't cope with anything else), that aren't horrendously expensive. This may be a long hunt...
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Postby Kyberely » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:33 pm UTC

Your whole outfit is just wow.
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Postby sophyturtle » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:52 pm UTC

^ Seconded.

I like the stripey socks/stockings.
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Postby Spacemilk » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:08 pm UTC

I love your dress! As far as shoes go, if you want boots you could try knee-high riding boots:

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They are flat-heeled and comfy! Plus you have very nice legs so they would conform to the shape of your legs.

Alternatively, if you aren't completely attached to the idea of boots, you could try really cute ballet flats:

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^ Those are the wrong color for your stockings, but I do love them so.

Or for something that probably goes better with your cute stockings:

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I found those at this site, where you can get the shoes personalized with your initials! (not sure about the color, but maybe?) Cute AND unique. edit: just saw that you lived in the UK but maybe there is something similar near you? I just found that site after ~2 seconds of google searching


That would really go well with the skirt AND it would show off your nice legs even more!
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Postby PictureSarah » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:12 pm UTC

Regarding woman-only gyms:
If it's a REAL gym, like one that has treadmills and ellipticals, and weight machines, etc., go for it. If it's a Curves or similar, my experience has been that I CAN NOT get a good enough workout there. I was a member of a Curves knockoff type of gym for about 6 months. It had a circle where "strength training" and "cardio" were alternated. Except the strength training machines were hydraulic, and I couldn't increase the resistance, so I couldn't even make myself sore, and the cardio stations were just little steps that you were supposed to step up and down on. I can do that all day and not break a sweat.
So while I enjoyed the woman-only atmosphere, it wasn't worth it to me to be a member of a gym where I wasn't getting the workout I needed. The gym I go to now is co-ed, but it isn't full of muscle-bound men. It's part of a physical therapy center, so it's full of people of all ages and fitness levels, and that works just fine for me.
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Postby Enuja » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:39 pm UTC

On colored stockings/tights:
I have, for the first time in years, stopped shaving my lower legs. And I've got dark hair from about three inches below my knees all of the way to my ankles. In some ways, I want to fight gendered views of beauty, but, on the other hand, I don't like to make waves. Mostly, I wear long pants, so it's not a problem, but I do have a fair number of skirts. I don't own any stockings, but seeing so many of them in this thread makes me think: is this a good strategy for the unshaven to be socially acceptable? Are brightly colored stockings acceptable for boring people getting near their 30s (like me), or is the social acceptability of brightly colored stockings restricted to younger folks?

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Postby sophyturtle » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:52 pm UTC

Stockings are cool.

But then, I also shave randomly and not always often. When I don't shave, no one seems to notice. Then there are people who have nice leg hair that is pretty and soft and shinny.

I think when it comes down to it society cares very little about my body hair. Maybe it does not care about yours either? Either way thick stockings can often hide leg hair (and leg hair increases the warmth, great for winter)
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Postby crowey » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:17 pm UTC

PictureSarah wrote:Regarding woman-only gyms:
If it's a REAL gym, like one that has treadmills and ellipticals, and weight machines, etc., go for it. If it's a Curves or similar, my experience has been that I CAN NOT get a good enough workout there. I was a member of a Curves knockoff type of gym for about 6 months. It had a circle where "strength training" and "cardio" were alternated. Except the strength training machines were hydraulic, and I couldn't increase the resistance, so I couldn't even make myself sore, and the cardio stations were just little steps that you were supposed to step up and down on. I can do that all day and not break a sweat.
So while I enjoyed the woman-only atmosphere, it wasn't worth it to me to be a member of a gym where I wasn't getting the workout I needed. The gym I go to now is co-ed, but it isn't full of muscle-bound men. It's part of a physical therapy center, so it's full of people of all ages and fitness levels, and that works just fine for me.

I'll echo this. Curves gyms are awful. The instructors barely know what they are doing, and I know of several occasions where they have given incorrect to the point of dangerous advice.
I'm sure there are some good women only gyms, just like there are some awful co-ed gyms. But in my experience the women only places assume you want to bimble about in a stairmaster reading the latest issue of Heat magazine, and keep your makeup perfect. :|

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Postby crickets » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:50 pm UTC

blue_eyedspacemonkey wrote:I have been splurging for an outfit for my friend's 21st party:

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This is the first short skirt I've brought, and feel comfortable enough to wear in public. It's a big step for me :D
I have a month to find boots. Boots that I like, go with the outfit, but could be worn regularly, and are either flat, or a heel about 1-2 inches (my ankles won't cope with anything else), that aren't horrendously expensive. This may be a long hunt...


Well, i don't know why, but i feel like your going for the gothy-kind-of look, so i'd say go check out Demonia/Pleaser and TUK, cause that's where i get all my awesomefavourite shoes and boots from. You really have to shop around to get good prices, but it's worth it cause some of them are AWESOME. Like the kitty boots.

If you want more specific answers, just let me know what kind of heel/platform you like, how high up your leg you like, pointy or round toe and what sort of price range you have. I loves the online shopping. LOVES IT.
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Postby semicharmed » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:24 am UTC

sophyturtle wrote:Stockings are cool.

But then, I also shave randomly and not always often. When I don't shave, no one seems to notice. Then there are people who have nice leg hair that is pretty and soft and shinny.

I think when it comes down to it society cares very little about my body hair. Maybe it does not care about yours either? Either way thick stockings can often hide leg hair (and leg hair increases the warmth, great for winter)


I've never gone the stockings route, but I rarely shave my legs. I also think I fall into the category of people who have pretty, soft & shiny leg hair. Or at least, minimal amounts of it. The last time I shaved was for graduation, and the time before that was for a fancy banquet where I was wearing a fancy dress & heels & makeup. And knowing that my legs are shaved and all super-smooth makes me feel, not sexier necessarily, but more like a person who goes to fabulous parties and only drinks martinis and is basically a Roaring 20s stereotype. Which works, because my dress feels vaguely flapper-esque. (I should really find & post pictures...)
But back to legs: people don't notice. Unless they're actively touching my legs. And even then, if it's all grown out, it's pretty soft and you can't always tell right away. Especially in the summer, where it will turn blonde.
This also happens to my eyebrows, which is funny, because the hair on my head is thick & dark brown. And my body hair is pretty sparse.

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Postby parkaboy » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:03 am UTC

The black scrunchy looking boots right behind you look like they'd do just fine, really. Otherwise, in keeping with the gothstompiness of the entire outfit, I might suggest Volatile or NaNa or a different NaNa or those are kind of high in the heely department, soooo maybe something black, a little chunky and Slouchy or All-purpose black Doc Martens
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Postby crickets » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:47 am UTC

parkaboy wrote:The black scrunchy looking boots right behind you look like they'd do just fine, really. Otherwise, in keeping with the gothstompiness of the entire outfit, I might suggest Volatile or NaNa or a different NaNa or those are kind of high in the heely department, soooo maybe something black, a little chunky and Slouchy or All-purpose black Doc Martens



I had a pair of NaNa's once, and they were seriously my favourite boots ever, but they were also my first boots ever.... I believe they were pole-climber boots, which is sort of like, general all purpose bootery.

Like these:
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But i also got a pair of Demonia Rangers which are kinda like the same thing except with four inch platform soles.

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Postby blue_eyedspacemonkey » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:25 am UTC

Thank you for all the wonderful comments and compliments! :)

I'm between riding boots and Dr. Marten's, leaning more towards Dockers. I'm very awkward when it comes to boots, as I have 'relaxed' ligaments in my ankles, so I need boots that aren't too heavy, that give decent ankle support, and are comfy. However, I shall look atthe links you've suggested when back from work this evening :)

@Parka, the boots behind me in the picture aren't mine, and the owner's will be the other end of the country when I need to borrow them, so not can't borrow them, and they're not sold anymore.

Yes, I am going for a gothy look, I probably should have said :oops: we're going to a goth night for her birthday. Haven't been to one in year, can't wait!
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Postby eternal luna » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:29 am UTC

Thanks for the help re: gyms- I found a women-only one that was fantastic, but also double the price of a decent [unisex? bisex? everyone welcome?] one. I'm starting tomorrow with three goals in mind- I want to be able to "do the splits", lift a friend over my head (she's tiny, so it's not as unreachable as it seems), and run 5 km without feeling overly exhausted by the end of the year.

Blue_eyed, I've actually found Docs to be a little on the heavy side. The man-made plastic-but-attempting-to-look-like-leather, I think, tends to be lighter. (Also, you look great. I very much want that skirt :))

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I have the pale skin of a Russian, and the body hair of a Bengali. I like it, though- I get a lot of enjoyment out of simple things, like making tiger stripes with water on my legs and arms. It's generally ignored, and the people who would (and do) give me crap about it overlap pretty much completely with people that I want nothing to do with. The wrong pair of stockings, though, will yank out tufts of it out painfully.
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Postby suffer-cait » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:31 am UTC

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Postby eternal luna » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:11 pm UTC

I'm feeling shaken after watching a documentary about vaginae and the cosmetic operations women go through on them. Hymen reconstructions? It makes me so sad to hear that these things actually happen and the opinions the mysogynistic douchetrucks that cause this. Then with the added pressure of my mother blaming the women for not being strong enough to withstand a lifetime of conditioning? I need to go to bed.
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Postby Virtual_Aardvark » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:27 pm UTC

Aw Luna, that sounds terrible to sit through.

Woman thread, I need your help! I recently got a really cute, strapless, white mini dress. I've pulled off wearing it with black lace up boots and a leather jacket butwant to try something different. I'm going to the Pride parade soon and want to dress a (literal) lipstick lesbian. To do so I want to embrace the extreme femininity of the dress, but don't have any shoes, acessories etc that would work. :( Any suggestions would be hugely appreciated. Confortable shoes are best, but I've been known to walk several miles in five inch heels.
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Postby Moo » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:29 pm UTC

Can you post a photo of the dress?
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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby Jessica » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:55 pm UTC

Agreed. A photo of the dress would help.

But, i'd say that if you're looking for comfortable shoes to wear, try ballet flats, or maybe some low healed mary janes.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby Virtual_Aardvark » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:12 pm UTC

Sorry about the lack of picture, my internet's been a bit dicey and I didn't want to be looking at clothes on my dad's laptop...

But here it is: http://www.wetseal.com/catalog/product.jsp?categoryId=104&subCategoryId=189&productId=20618. I'm still amazed that it actually stays on when I move. :D
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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby sophyturtle » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:18 pm UTC

Oh me yarm that's adorable. I want one. And I know where that store is near me. But should not buy more dresses because I never really wear the ones I have.
But maybe I don't wear them because I don't love them and I sort of love this.
*sigh*

Anyway, being white you can fem it up with red and pink things. Like nail polish and ribbons in your hair and things. And sparkly jewelry. I love sparkly things...
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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby blue_eyedspacemonkey » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:21 pm UTC

That is so cute, Virtual_Aardvark! I'm afraid I don't have much advice. I'd probably go for mary-janes, maybe something like these http://www.shoewawa.com/louboutin2.jpg ? Or these http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5xbLgg72CBs/R ... +janes.jpg ?

Then maybe acessories to match? I'm not very good at giving advice, though.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby Cashew » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:37 pm UTC

Blue-- those first shoes are dreamy... too bad I'll never make enough money to afford them... Yeah, I have a thing for shoes.

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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby blue_eyedspacemonkey » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:41 pm UTC

Cashew wrote:Blue-- those first shoes are dreamy... too bad I'll never make enough money to afford them... Yeah, I have a thing for shoes.
:shock: I didn't even look at the price. I just looked for pictures of shoes that looked like what I had in my head at the time, they were just one of the first results on google. Feck, they're far too expensive for shoes!
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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby Goatboy » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:08 pm UTC

Spacemonkey, have you considered something in a Chuck Taylor X-Hi?
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They're low-heeled, good ankle support & way light.
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Postby crickets » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:17 pm UTC

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Re: [SAFESPACE] Woman Thread-The thread that gives (every month)

Postby blue_eyedspacemonkey » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:18 pm UTC

Cheers for the suggestion, Goatboy. I've just brought a pair af these: http://www.underground-england.co.uk/bball.html
(second pair down)
So hopefully they'll do the trick :)
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