Steax wrote:I'm a UI designer and I've never heard of people having 'instant headaches' with designs when it doesn't involved sharp red-on-blue stuff. So could you specify which bit of the interface annoys you? Is a native client not an option, either?
Steax wrote:Font is 13px Arial, which is the same size as these very forums, and Arial ties with Verdana as one of the top used fonts on the web. Much of the text is pure black or 80% black. It's also far uncluttered from the old version (use the gear icon on the inbox page - not the top right one - and pick one of the others). I honestly don't see how this can be an issue, so I'm guessing you somehow managed to get one of the weirder themes enabled (something I've seen happen to people before). Have you tried tweaking those?
Ulc wrote:Have hotmail begun to make threaded conversations?
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Ulc wrote:13p arial is no problem on white or very light blue (like the old) - on grey it feels like red hot pins being poked into my eyes. And they have stated that the grey is there to stay.
I remember that the first GMail users liked to boast about how much available space they had, yet now the standard seems to be "Unlimited" and they are stuck with 7.5GB .
Steax wrote:Sorry to continue on this, since you're not interested in using gmail any more - but something's certainly wrong if your text is on grey. Gmail's default theme is on white.
Ulc wrote:Native client is a option that I'd rather not deal with, since I tend to access it from several different computes.
Carnildo wrote:Steax wrote:Sorry to continue on this, since you're not interested in using gmail any more - but something's certainly wrong if your text is on grey. Gmail's default theme is on white.
At least in the browser I use, the text is on partially transparent white so that the theme's background image bleeds through slightly (one of the things that makes the new look hard for me to use). If your browser mishandles the transparency, it's quite possible that you'll get a grey background.
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rath358 wrote:FWIW, my gmail account still seems to be on the old theme (though I did have to tell it to fuck off with the changes a few times).
Yahoo Mail also has an HTML version, but I think the only way you can get to it is if you mangle your browser's User Agent string, so Yahoo thinks you're using a browser that isn't supported.userxp wrote:I found this page that lists webmail providers.
I used Yahoo! webmail until they completely fucked up the interface about one year ago. Now I use the integrated mail client in Opera.
Zamfir wrote:Because Steax seems interested, i'll add my view on the new gmail:Spoiler:I have fairly good eyesight (at least with glasses on), but I still have mild trouble with the new UI, especially the i. I can't pinpoint it precisely, but it gives me slight feeling of nausea that I don' t recognize from other places. If it was stronger, I would consider switching as well.
Part of it are the grey read mails, that really seem to try to escape my focus. In the blue theme, I could easily make a mental switch from "look at unread mails" to "look at read mails", but now I have to force that.
Another part is that the very soft bordering makes it harder to compartmentalize the layout. It's like you have to mentally add lines that are only suggested by the GUI. Like the missing line between the inbox mails and the left-hand menu, or how the selected item in the menu is shown by a color and a little line, hinting at a box around the word that isn;t ctually there.
If you look at the new layout of the Google RSS reader, it's even stronger: lots of blocks and words on a white background, with separators implied between them but not actually drawn. If I stop concentrating on the site, my mind forgets to see the structure and it becomes randomly placed text-on-white. I have to refocus to see the structure again.
I think it's a spreading design style. Minimalist, replacing the clunky 3-Dish bars and buttons of older GUIs with text and single-colored shapes "floating" on a background. Perhaps Apple is to blame.
Ulc wrote:Steax wrote:I'm a UI designer and I've never heard of people having 'instant headaches' with designs when it doesn't involved sharp red-on-blue stuff. So could you specify which bit of the interface annoys you? Is a native client not an option, either?
Lack of contrast, poor and small font (and no choice in font) and a cluttered screen that I have to squint my eyes at to separate things - none of which was a problem in the old UI.
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We're doing this manually.