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by **Xerillum** » Sun May 06, 2012 2:58 pm UTC

I would be for it, except for the lava starting fires again part. As far as I can remember, I don't have anything like that, but other people might.

by **Steax** » Sun May 06, 2012 3:39 pm UTC

So what else do we lose by going vanilla?

by **blalobw** » Sun May 06, 2012 4:05 pm UTC

Steax wrote:So what else do we lose by going vanilla?

Worldedit and worldguard.

So lava will start fires as was already mentioned, and ops won't be able to magic up huge structures with the wooden axe. We also lose the lava/fire/tnt restriction for newcomers.

So basically we lose a few anti griefing measures and some convienences for ops. As we're still on a whitelist and we're not some hugely popular server we may not have to worry much about griefing. (hopefully)

by **Steax** » Sun May 06, 2012 4:33 pm UTC

I imagine roos would be the only one to have significant issues there. And ridiculously awesome cities aside, it could make IWBTS harder to make. Somewhat.

I don't think grieving is a huge issue at the moment, though.

by **halgdp** » Sun May 06, 2012 5:11 pm UTC

Thanks for letting me on to the white-list! I really appreciate it!!!

by **Steax** » Sun May 06, 2012 5:27 pm UTC

You'll want one of us to take you along to Pandora, where our newer settlement lies. You can enjoy the facilities and infrastructure already on the original continent, but it's less populated. You can also attempt the journey yourself, it's quite safe given the nether trolley system. You'll pass a place called "Narnia Nature Reserve" and another named "Waterworld". You probably can't make the journey on foot, since it's really far away and involves crossing a huge ocean...

by **halgdp** » Sun May 06, 2012 5:39 pm UTC

I just wonder, I found a server IP in this thread a long ago and I hear people talking about this "Ma"... I just wonder what is the IP for the server that everyone plays on.

by **Steax** » Sun May 06, 2012 5:55 pm UTC

The IP we play on is on the first page. Miner Apocalypse was another server were active on for a short period of time.

by **halgdp** » Sun May 06, 2012 7:45 pm UTC

What patch/version is the server running?

by **Kain** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:39 pm UTC

I think straight vanilla would probably be a good idea, as it would avoid this whole 'everyone on a different version' issue that seems to keep our numbers down...

by **jestingrabbit** » Sun May 06, 2012 9:25 pm UTC

Yeah, atm its running 1.2.3, which is a couple of versions back now.

If we go with vanilla, will we still be able to settime? I assume not. That'd be a bit of an annoyance, but not too terrible.

by **Mostlynormal** » Mon May 07, 2012 3:12 am UTC

Thanks for letting me in! I'm currently on my third trip to Pandora thanks to forgetting to set my spawn. This last time I died I managed to lose an iron sword from the "emergency swords" chest, I'll try to replace that as soon as possible.

Pandora city sure is impressive. I'm still not done exploring it!

Edit: never mind on the sword, to my surprise it was still there when I arrived.

by **Kain** » Mon May 07, 2012 3:42 am UTC

Yeah, dropped items tend to stick around a bit, given that they only despawn if the area they were dropped in is loaded for more than five minutes or whatever.

I think settime is actually quite overrated: we have so many spider grinders that we could probably afford to cover pandora with beds, though more reasonably we could just offer free beds to everyone and ask that everyone use them to sleep, like we used to when we were trying to stop rainstorms.

by **Steax** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:19 am UTC

Pandora City is actually quite horribly underbuilt. Feel free to build whatever!

Also, don't worry about things like iron swords. We've a treasury and all that, it's fine. Also, while many of us are still away due to version issues, feel free to treat the map as a giant playground. We're not really strict about who builds what and where, just be sensible!

Settime is useful but sometimes I do wish we do without it. However, I hope the spawning issues get fixed by then...

by **halgdp** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:28 am UTC

Is it ok to run away a couple thousands blocks from spawn in order to find a jungle biome?

by **Kain** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:48 am UTC

halgdp wrote:Is it ok to run away a couple thousands blocks from spawn in order to find a jungle biome?

Hehehe, that brings back memories

(I would assume that yeah, it is still quite fine to do that, though I can give you the coordinates to a jungle biome if you would rather not explore).

Edit: So, I got back on the server, decided to act as though I was just starting out, by leaving everything back at my base and going back to spawn. I set of east, seeing as there is that giant ocean to the west and all, and found myself a village in 1.2 lands. In the blacksmith's chest were three apples (yay, food!), an iron helmet (meh, I could kill zombies for this) and of all things, 3 diamond. I seem to be off to a good start.

by **halgdp** » Mon May 07, 2012 5:29 am UTC

Kain wrote:
halgdp wrote:Is it ok to run away a couple thousands blocks from spawn in order to find a jungle biome?

Hehehe, that brings back memories

(I would assume that yeah, it is still quite fine to do that, though I can give you the coordinates to a jungle biome if you would rather not explore).

Edit: So, I got back on the server, decided to act as though I was just starting out, by leaving everything back at my base and going back to spawn. I set of east, seeing as there is that giant ocean to the west and all, and found myself a village in 1.2 lands. In the blacksmith's chest were three apples (yay, food!), an iron helmet (meh, I could kill zombies for this) and of all things, 3 diamond. I seem to be off to a good start.

I'm not very good at building so I'd like to delay that some XD

by **jestingrabbit** » Mon May 07, 2012 6:25 am UTC

Don't worry about replacing the swords, I'm getting a fair few of those from killing zombies and I've got no use for them, so I'm throwing them in the emergency sword chest (diamond's not heaps better like it used to be, but its still an edge that I want).

I'm willing to give up settime for different coloured planks.

by **Steax** » Mon May 07, 2012 6:53 am UTC

I too am willing to give up settime for the new planks.

Next time I'm on, I'll finally get around to building Pandora's monorail/subway.

by **Magnanimous** » Mon May 07, 2012 7:21 am UTC

Steax wrote:Also, don't worry about things like iron swords. We've a treasury and all that, it's fine.

Does anyone else think it's a little weird that iron is farmable now? That seems to go against the spirit of Minecraft, a bit...

by **jestingrabbit** » Mon May 07, 2012 7:29 am UTC

Magnanimous wrote:
Steax wrote:Also, don't worry about things like iron swords. We've a treasury and all that, it's fine.

Does anyone else think it's a little weird that iron is farmable now? That seems to go against the spirit of Minecraft, a bit...

I like it actually. It means things like leaf bloacks are also farmable (no unlimited iron => no unlimited shears => no unlimited leaf blocks), plus the iron shovels are nice, like a suggestion that you should mine out the dirt and gravel you come across.

by **blalobw** » Mon May 07, 2012 11:37 am UTC

Indeed. With the removal of the far lands there is a definite calcuable limit to how much iron can exist in a given minecraft world.

I'd hate to run out.

Anyway, if there are no objections we'll switch over to plain vanilla either tonight (if my connection is cooperative) or tomorrow morning.

by **Steax** » Mon May 07, 2012 11:49 am UTC

The drop rate is low enough to not make it unbalanced IMO. It's not excessively higher. Iron Golems, on the other hand, need to get their spawn fixed, at least to a certain rate.

by **Melic** » Mon May 07, 2012 3:14 pm UTC

Since there are less anti greifing measures we could implement some RL griefing deterrents, such as to get white listed you have to give one of the ops your address and if you are caught greifing a trusted XKCD Mincraft "kicker" will vist your house and kick you (IRL.) Ill volinteer for north texas jurisdiction.

by **New User** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:54 pm UTC

I'll only accept that if the punishment for griefing is to send someone to their house with a lava bucket, and also destroy their bed.

by **hatten** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:56 pm UTC

Melic wrote:Since there are less anti greifing measures we could implement some RL griefing deterrents, such as to get white listed you have to give one of the ops your address and if you are caught greifing a trusted XKCD Mincraft "kicker" will vist your house and kick you (IRL.) Ill volinteer for north texas jurisdiction.

I'll volunteer to kick my lilbro!

by **Gatchaman** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:39 pm UTC

Hey, could someone whitelist "TheMightyBilly" for me please? She's my IRL friend and wants to learn how to play! I told her this is a nice server (although I'm not on much anymore..) and we can meet up here/ she can play here. Thanks! ^_^

by **CombustibleLemons** » Mon May 07, 2012 9:40 pm UTC

hatten wrote:
Melic wrote:Since there are less anti greifing measures we could implement some RL griefing deterrents, such as to get white listed you have to give one of the ops your address and if you are caught greifing a trusted XKCD Mincraft "kicker" will vist your house and kick you (IRL.) Ill volinteer for north texas jurisdiction.

I'll volunteer to kick my lilbro!

I can handle the north east.

by **Kain** » Mon May 07, 2012 10:18 pm UTC

I could handle the south east, if by handle you mean "ship live bobcats to"
(Okay, not really, but then I still doubt that we will have to worry about griefing all that much.)

I still vote that we start up a new world, and leave the old one as a historic site, but of course that would require two servers, so...

by **eculc** » Mon May 07, 2012 10:28 pm UTC

put up the last world for download? that way we can have a new world without losing the old one completely.

by **Kain** » Mon May 07, 2012 11:57 pm UTC

eculc wrote:put up the last world for download? that way we can have a new world without losing the old one completely.

ooh, that would be nice: plus, if anyone had some unfinished projects and went about finishing them in the downloaded world, they could then upload the save to show off what they had planned...

by **Steax** » Tue May 08, 2012 12:06 am UTC

I don't know about a new world. We can always find new territory, and I feel bad for people with vast incomplete projects (say, ganalef).

by **Kain** » Tue May 08, 2012 12:58 am UTC

Steax wrote:I don't know about a new world. We can always find new territory, and I feel bad for people with vast incomplete projects (say, ganalef).

I was more concerned with things like the end. Do we know whether or not we have strongholds?

by **Steax** » Tue May 08, 2012 1:09 am UTC

We know where at least one is, but it was before end portals. =/

Also, welcome new Pandoran citizens! Feel free to help yourself at our various farms and facilities.

I think I worked out the mob spawning issue. They just have higher light tolerance, and the "stay under shade" AI is a bit too pervasive. They refuse to move an inch out of the shade, and just one block (may it be 200 meters above) counts as "shade".

by **blalobw** » Tue May 08, 2012 1:49 am UTC

TheMonkey made an end portal and hid it somewhere. Dunno where. IIRC at least one person posted that they had found it.

The backup is running now. Once it finishes we'll switchover to 1.2.5 vanilla. Whee!

Upgrade complete. the server is now on 1.2.5.

If there are any issues let us know.

by **Kain** » Tue May 08, 2012 4:48 am UTC

The nether wasn't transferred over. I suppose that is kinda an issue...

by **Steax** » Tue May 08, 2012 5:06 am UTC

... either the nether didn't move, or it somehow shifted, because I'm getting thrown into a portal normally associated with roos' instead of our usual one.

Also, looks like zombies will basically just break doors for sport.

by **Magnanimous** » Tue May 08, 2012 6:11 am UTC

My new hobby: Hilbert curves. White wool is 0th-order, green is 1st-order. (I'm pretty sure I made this right...)

by **jestingrabbit** » Tue May 08, 2012 7:00 am UTC

Yeah, I also would like the nether back. There's a lot of hours in the whole trolley thing.

Steax wrote:Also, looks like zombies will basically just break doors for sport.

Do you mean that they don't need a player behind them to make them break it down, they'll just notice an unbroken door and break it?

by **Steax** » Tue May 08, 2012 7:27 am UTC

It appears they will simply break down any door that gets in their path. Which can be pretty bad combined with their "get in the shade" AI. I also noticed a few other glitches.

: They seem to always pick the closest route, even if there's a door. Apparently doors are given very low penalties in pathfinding; it still prefers the door over the newly built gap.

: The iron golems ignore this zombie. However, the moment it breaks through, the golems immediately recognize and go after it.

: This one simply wants out, and it has nothing to chase. The moment I break any of its walls, it also breaks free.

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