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by **Izawwlgood** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:28 pm UTC

I'm a fan of every fix. For example, lashers were nerfed.

by **Xeio** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:20 pm UTC

http://www.diablofans.com/blizz-tracker/topic/227302-patch-103-now-live/

Patch notes if you can't see the client. Some nice changes (in addition to the ones that were previewed for items).

If Enchantress also has Reflect Missiles trained, Mass Control will no longer accidentally hex the player when both skills are activated

OH THANK GOD.

by **Chen** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:27 pm UTC

Has anyone tried it out to see what the damage nerfs are like? And was the IAS nerf as per the leaks (i.e., 50%). I can't read the patch notes from work.

I gotta wonder what this is going to do to prices. If ilvl 63 stuff is available everywhere and Acts 2-4 are easier, I presume gear that was somewhat valuable (say things with 100ish of a stat plus some other useful bonuses) are going to become far less valuable than the great stuff (150ish of a stat plus misc). I also assume weapons are going to become even more abundant and anything below 1000 dps unless it has absolutely awesome stats is going to be practically worthless. I mean its almost that way now so I can only imagine that getting worse.

Did they modify Blacksmith crafting in any way aside from leveling him that they mentioned in the preview? I've been making a lot of 6 property chest pieces and I'm going to kick myself if they reduced the cost on those.

by **Xeio** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:38 pm UTC

Patch notes says everything up to level 59 was reduced in crafting price by at least half. So it depends on the level of the item that you're talking about?

by **Drumheller769** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:51 pm UTC

Can anyone copy and paste patch notes for those of us who have them blocked at work?

by **Chen** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:52 pm UTC

Xeio wrote:Patch notes says everything up to level 59 was reduced in crafting price by at least half. So it depends on the level of the item that you're talking about?

I meant the top level 60, 6 property items (I think they're ilvl 62) so I guess it didn't affect those then which is nice. I guess it would be kinda crazy if they did. They're about 200k in mats and gold to create them now and so far out of the dozen or so I've made I think about 3 were complete flops, a couple I broke even on and the rest were profit (several of which were over a million). I suspect those recipes will continue to rise in value as gold inflates since they create ilvl 62 items at a pretty fixed cost.

by **Aaeriele** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:03 pm UTC

Patch Notes wrote:In Inferno difficulty, Siegebreaker will now gain the Reflects Damage affix

Oh, screw you too Blizzard.

by **Chen** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:50 pm UTC

Aaeriele wrote:
Patch Notes wrote:In Inferno difficulty, Siegebreaker will now gain the Reflects Damage affix

Oh, screw you too Blizzard.

Hmm that forces health regen gear or the templar on you. With neither I can't imagine it'd actually be beatable unless they add some health wells or make him drop health globes after taking enough damage.

by **JudeMorrigan** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:17 pm UTC

Chen wrote:[Hmm that forces health regen gear or the templar on you. With neither I can't imagine [the Siegebreaker]'d actually be beatable unless they add some health wells or make him drop health globes after taking enough damage.

Blizzard thought of that. The full patch notes for those who'd like them:

Spoiler:

by **Deva** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:19 pm UTC

Posted the patch notes below. Applied some formatting. (Finished at nearly identical times.)

Spoiler:

by **ProZac** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:34 pm UTC

According to reddit, those monster damage nerfs are insane. I had bailed on progressing in Act 3 Inferno after being frustrated that my monk was being kited and murdered by all the ranged mobs at the start. With the changes, I should be able to push forward... until I hit a boss. Those enrage timers are crazy. I haven't solo'd Belial in a while (I usually play with friends on DHs and Wizards) but I know when I did killing Belial would take me over 10 minutes, with most of that just slowly depleting the life on his final form. I did have about 10.5k dps, but I guess I'll have to look to nearly double it now. I guess this is what they wanted when they said they wanted Inferno to be 'more offensive based'.

by **omgryebread** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:35 pm UTC

Nether Tentacles

(((((

Back to impale I guess.

by **Chen** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:43 pm UTC

omgryebread wrote:Nether Tentacles (((((

Back to impale I guess.

If it only fixed nether tentacles, then ball lightning is still just as good. I did hear that Nether Tentacles was hitting for the FULL 155% with each hit, whereas Ball lightning I believe is half of the 155% per hit (plus 155% if the ball itself hits). Still exceptionally good.

Plus it doesn't seem to say anything about changing the interaction of Sharpshooter and slow projectiles like this. Crit chance of a projectile appears to be determined at launch but the crit effect which resets sharpshooter only occurs on hit. Meaning a huge stream of ball lightning/nether tentacles can all be "primed" with 100% crit chance.

by **Diadem** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:09 pm UTC

Holy Bovine King, that is a long list of changes. A lot of very good changes in there. This game is starting to really improve.

Though one thing Blizzard desperately needs to address. The insane amount of spam in general chat.

- Every spam message is longer than 1 screen. So you immediately lose track of existing conversation
- It takes about 10 seconds to report someone, because it takes a lot of actions. First you have to scroll up (and then again if someone talks in the meantime), then you have to find his name inbetween all the spam, right-click it, go to 'report' and then to 'spam' which takes some careful manoeuvring to not lose the popup menu, and then confirm the report. Generally the next spam message will have arrived in that time

I really don't understand why blizzard doesn't fix this. It's trivial. I can think of 2 dozen good ways to fix this. From bad to good:
- Block mention of spammer urls
- Put 'report spam' on the first page of the right-click menu, and do not ask for confirmation
- Limit input length and frequency
- Give us an option to ignore everybody below, say, level 10
- Do not give free version players the right to talk at all, or put them in a separate channel

There's probably plenty more solutions. But there are ridiculously easy to implement.

by **Nylonathatep** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:47 pm UTC

Problems Post Patch, as per info found in another forum:

I have a question, just downloaded the new patch and I've encountered a major problem. All my old characters have stopped gaining XP. I've tried it with all three ongoing characters and all don't gain XP. The xp bar is completely unfilled and when I hover over it it goes "1605/0" (for example) and the number doesn't go up when I kill things. However the test character I made gained XP normally. Is anyone else having this problem?

EDIT: After glancing around on the battle.net forums this is a widespread problem for all characters above level 13, which is not coincidentally the level cut-off for guest pass.

Diadem wrote:Holy Bovine King, that is a long list of changes. A lot of very good changes in there. This game is starting to really improve.

Though one thing Blizzard desperately needs to address. The insane amount of spam in general chat.

- Every spam message is longer than 1 screen. So you immediately lose track of existing conversation
- It takes about 10 seconds to report someone, because it takes a lot of actions. First you have to scroll up (and then again if someone talks in the meantime), then you have to find his name inbetween all the spam, right-click it, go to 'report' and then to 'spam' which takes some careful manoeuvring to not lose the popup menu, and then confirm the report. Generally the next spam message will have arrived in that time

I really don't understand why blizzard doesn't fix this. It's trivial. I can think of 2 dozen good ways to fix this. From bad to good:
- Block mention of spammer urls
- Put 'report spam' on the first page of the right-click menu, and do not ask for confirmation
- Limit input length and frequency
- Give us an option to ignore everybody below, say, level 10
- Do not give free version players the right to talk at all, or put them in a separate channel

There's probably plenty more solutions. But there are ridiculously easy to implement.

The same issue have been presistant in WoW as well. I think Blizzard isn't willing to address the above issue is because:

1) These Chinese farmers will probably figure another method to spam chat to sell their gold, and the whole 'Armed Race' of trying to eliminate spammers/ spammer getting pass security measures to spam would just lead to most cost for Blizzard and esculation of hackers trying to compromise their servers.

2) Guest Accounts inflate actual amount of users playing diablo 3 on B.net, which makes blizzard looks good on their books.

by **faranim** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:45 pm UTC

apparently the "xxx / 0 exp" bug can be fixed by opening and re-saving your account info in battle.net. It somehow forces a refresh of your account status and then you can gain EXP again.

by **Kain** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:22 am UTC

faranim wrote:apparently the "xxx / 0 exp" bug can be fixed by opening and re-saving your account info in battle.net. It somehow forces a refresh of your account status and then you can gain EXP again.

Does that also fix the "followers are now all level 13" bug?

by **Izawwlgood** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:46 am UTC

Holy fuckbats did my WD suffer a drop in Damage after the IAS nerf. 14500 or so to 9000.

by **Negated** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:42 am UTC

I am hearing a lot of whining from monks on how the IAS nerfs make spirit generation way too slow. My WD is still doing fine in Inferno Act 1, but I don't have much IAS to begin with.

The repair bill looks really scary though. I ran through Jondar to death of Cain, mostly kiting, no death, and spent like 7k repairing gears. I don't want to imagine what the repair bill is if I die on a regular basis. Considering my limited wealth the repair cost is quite significant.

by **mfb** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:31 am UTC

Chen wrote:Crit chance of a projectile appears to be determined at launch but the crit effect which resets sharpshooter only occurs on hit. Meaning a huge stream of ball lightning/nether tentacles can all be "primed" with 100% crit chance.

Are you sure? I read a guide which implied that the time of hit is important.
Could be tested quite easily.
Anyway, I usually prefer 3 rounds of multishot, when I use sharpshooter.

by **Chen** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:54 am UTC

mfb wrote:Are you sure? I read a guide which implied that the time of hit is important.
Could be tested quite easily.
Anyway, I usually prefer 3 rounds of multishot, when I use sharpshooter.

Well anecdotally it sure looks like it works the way I said and I do recall reading some places that said similar. I guess its worth testing.

As for the new patch I found doing a Warden/Butcher run and then just popping into each waypoint and killing the elites around them was a very efficient way of farming. Bosses only drop 1 Guarenteed rare now so the elite packs themselves are much more valuable to farm. Didn't find any good ilvl 63 stuff yesterday but I did find 2 rings which were a massive upgrade for me. They were both in the high 50s level too. One thing I also noticed, now that they show the ilvl of items, is that ilvl 60 items have level requirements of 59 for the most part. If its weapons or armor these salvage into Hell mats. But Jewelery with ilvl 60 (and req level 59) actually salvage into Inferno mats.

Act 3 is still difficult for my Wizard. I didn't try much instead I was trying to farm more act 1. The repair costs are pretty high if you're dying a lot but if you manage to avoid deaths its reasonable.

by **Xeio** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:45 pm UTC

I killed Diablo in Hell after the patch, started Act I inferno and gave up. Not sure if it's because I dropped to like 3200 DPS or something after the speed nerf, but I couldn't kill elite packs at all. I nearly had the first one I tried, and then they started the "2000 health drain per second" or whatever.

Guess I'll have to farm Act 3/4 of Hell a bit...

by **Chen** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:34 pm UTC

Xeio wrote:I killed Diablo in Hell after the patch, started Act I inferno and gave up. Not sure if it's because I dropped to like 3200 DPS or something after the speed nerf, but I couldn't kill elite packs at all. I nearly had the first one I tried, and then they started the "2000 health drain per second" or whatever.

Guess I'll have to farm Act 3/4 of Hell a bit...

What's your weapon DPS at? If you were melee the IAS nerf was probably a pretty direct nerf to your damage (though the enemy damage nerf apparently more than compensated). If you were ranged you lost a bit of ease of kiting but you probably didn't really lose that much actual damage. Its rare in Inferno you can stand still and constantly DPS things. Usually its stutter-stepping with a shot in here and there. If you were a Wizard and used Magic Weapon you probably lost even LESS real dps because Magic Weapon used to increase your sheet DPS by 30% whereas it only actually increased the damage you dealt by 15%.

For Inferno I found getting a good level 60 weapon is key to start. I suspect you can get a blue 1000 dps 2 hander for in the hundreds of thousands gold now, if not less. You can certainly buy a 900 dps 2 hander for less than 100k since I stopped bothering to sell those because the market was saturated. For one handers you can get up to 700 dps for just as cheap I'd imagine.

by **mike-l** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:40 pm UTC

Xeio wrote:I killed Diablo in Hell after the patch, started Act I inferno and gave up. Not sure if it's because I dropped to like 3200 DPS or something after the speed nerf, but I couldn't kill elite packs at all. I nearly had the first one I tried, and then they started the "2000 health drain per second" or whatever.

Guess I'll have to farm Act 3/4 of Hell a bit...

3200 is really really low for inferno. You can probably find a blue weapon on the inferno merchants that will be an upgrade.

by **Xeio** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:42 pm UTC

mike-l wrote:3200 is really really low for inferno. You can probably find a blue weapon on the inferno merchants that will be an upgrade.

It was closer to 4500.

by **not baby Newt** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:24 pm UTC

Tried Act 2 Belial Inferno with my barb. I cannot survive the insane bombardment at fourish minutes, but can probably swap to a more offensively minded gear and skill set.

However I think there's something neat about an epic fifteen minute battle where you know you'll die if you lose concentration. No such now. Odd decision to make it four and not at least ten minutes.

My pants are nerfed from 15% IAS (that doesn't work) down to 5% IAS (that doesn't work, notes said it'll be patched later). Overall great changes though.

by **Chen** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:46 pm UTC

Xeio wrote:It was closer to 4500.

I wouldn't go into Inferno at less than 10k damage. As you saw, you'll hit the enrage timers on regular elites, let alone bosses. And really its the weapon that makes the biggest deal. Buy a good weapon off the AH and you'll see a HUGE difference. When I hit level 60 on my Wizard I bought one of the level 60 weapons on the AH (probably around 600-800 dps 2 hander) and my sheet dps jumped 6k (from 4k to 10kish). As the AH gets full of higher and higher end weapons, the ones at the lower end become a LOT cheaper.

by **philsov** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:53 pm UTC

I'm digging most of these changes!

I was actually able to progress (!) in act 2 inferno thanks to the mobs being less ridiculous. Ran into an elite wasp pack with teleporter/illusionist which was... disgusting, but at least manageable.

I lost maybe 2K dps from the IAS nerf (19k to 17k, oh noes). Zombie bears are now broken and only rampage when the terrain is perfect. Currently toying with alternate builds (I loathe VQ playstyle, but its sadly effective) using Dire Bats and/or Corpse Bomb + Bad Medicine (party play)

by **Will** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:02 pm UTC

Looks like I didn't lose any DPS from the IAS nerf, though I'm only in Act 4 Nightmare right now. I did go and combine all my gems, and it only cost me ~6k (I've been sitting on a LOT of gems). The reduced cost of leveling up the gemcutter/blacksmith will be nice on my EU account, where I haven't hardly leveled them at all.

Speaking of Act 4, I am completely stuck at the first boss (Rakanoth) with my wizard on nightmare. He basically has an attack that one-shots me, and that attack is entirely impossible to move away from or anticipate -- so I can't, for example, get diamond skin up, because the attack comes out of nowhere. Am I missing something?

by **mosc** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:23 pm UTC

Xeio wrote:
mike-l wrote:3200 is really really low for inferno. You can probably find a blue weapon on the inferno merchants that will be an upgrade.
It was closer to 4500.

You should have at least 20k DPS on a demon hunter before trying inferno. Lots of people pre patch were pushing three times that much. 4500 is nothing.

by **Chen** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:27 pm UTC

Will wrote:Looks like I didn't lose any DPS from the IAS nerf, though I'm only in Act 4 Nightmare right now. I did go and combine all my gems, and it only cost me ~6k (I've been sitting on a LOT of gems). The reduced cost of leveling up the gemcutter/blacksmith will be nice on my EU account, where I haven't hardly leveled them at all.

The jewelcrafter is almost completely pointless at the moment. People are too stupid in their pricing on the AH. I checked yesterday, and everything above flawless squares on the AH (i.e., the gems you have to craft and can't drop) are all being sold at a loss. Some are close (emeralds I believe at the two highest levels were making small profit) and some are absurdly off (making a star ruby and selling it at current prices incurs ~150k gold loss). I think people forget the AH takes a 15% cut of their sales and haven't factored it into their pricing. And its not just a few people. I had to put in 95 as the quantity of Star rubies before the price changed. At 94 I could still buy them at ~500k each when they cost somewhere around 660k to make all mats included. Point being, either hoard your flawless squares or just sell them all off without crafting them and buy the appropriate gem off the AH yourself. Combining the lower level gems is also pointless. Tomes of jewelcrafting are ~700gp each and you need them to convert squares into flawless squares. But flawless squares are all around 300-400 in price (except emeralds which are at 1400 so they're worth converting, barely).

Speaking of Act 4, I am completely stuck at the first boss (Rakanoth) with my wizard on nightmare. He basically has an attack that one-shots me, and that attack is entirely impossible to move away from or anticipate -- so I can't, for example, get diamond skin up, because the attack comes out of nowhere. Am I missing something?

Nightmare I just burned him down. If you're close you get a bit of an indicator on when he's about to teleport. But you need to keep him on screen. If he's offscreen there's a chance he'll one shot you out of the blue. On hell difficulty with Force Armor his teleport wouldn't one shot me so I just danced around a lot. Still needed to stack a TON of damage and just burned him mostly down and then ran around hoping he would teleport before my pot cooldown came up. Teleport-Fracture and Mirror Images-Duplicates help since he'll teleport to the duplicates sometimes instead of you.

by **Diadem** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:38 pm UTC

Today I bought an item on the AH that was priced lower than the raw value of the gem in it. Made me a nice profit

I wanted to upgrade all my square gems to flawless squares, since this only costs 100 anymore. But it takes one tome of jewelcrafting, and the price of those seems to have shot up to 2K. Ridiculous. What the heck do people use them for? I got way more than I needed to level my jewelcrafter, just from leveling to 60.

I did lose quite a lot of dps from the IAS nerf. My damage went around 44K (50K displayed, due to magic weapon display bug as wizard) to 35K. So about 20% dps loss which is what I expected. I'm not unhappy though, I was using blue rings and amulet with 15% IAS, so cheap stuff. I can now hopefully find some rares that are actually better

I ran through A1 and it's still easy as pie, with pretty nice drops. I'll try A2 later this evening, should be a lot easier than before.

by **ProZac** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:53 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:I wanted to upgrade all my square gems to flawless squares, since this only costs 100 anymore. But it takes one tome of jewelcrafting, and the price of those seems to have shot up to 2K. Ridiculous. What the heck do people use them for? I got way more than I needed to level my jewelcrafter, just from leveling to 60.

With the change to crafting, everyone is combining the lower level gems, which means a high demand for Tomes, which comes from 2 places I would presume:

1. Not as many characters in Hell as Nightmare (explaining why pages aren't as fruitful).
2. Inferno drops Squares, but not Tomes. So all these Inferno characters have Squares that they could upgrade for 100g and a tome, but no reasonable way to farm the Tome.

by **Diadem** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:59 pm UTC

ProZac wrote:
Diadem wrote:I wanted to upgrade all my square gems to flawless squares, since this only costs 100 anymore. But it takes one tome of jewelcrafting, and the price of those seems to have shot up to 2K. Ridiculous. What the heck do people use them for? I got way more than I needed to level my jewelcrafter, just from leveling to 60.
With the change to crafting, everyone is combining the lower level gems, which means a high demand for Tomes, which comes from 2 places I would presume:

1. Not as many characters in Hell as Nightmare (explaining why pages aren't as fruitful).
2. Inferno drops Squares, but not Tomes. So all these Inferno characters have Squares that they could upgrade for 100g and a tome, but no reasonable way to farm the Tome.

Sure. But if tomes are worth 2K and flawless squares are worth 1500 or so, then it's still rather stupid to craft them, even if crafting itself costs only 100.

by **mosc** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:27 pm UTC

People like crafting their own stuff and seem to have a compulsive need to USE all their gems. I had a friend who was picking up chipped gems. I tried explaining the absurd cost in storage, time, and the negative gold value of combining them into the crappy squares I could drown him in from playing inferno. Just simply the time spent going back and forth to town to even SELL the normal and nightmare level gems is a waste of money since you can just kill more dudes in that time instead. I think it's a mental thing more than money. People want to make their own stuff rather than buy other people's stuff.

by **Chen** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:30 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:Sure. But if tomes are worth 2K and flawless squares are worth 1500 or so, then it's still rather stupid to craft them, even if crafting itself costs only 100.

As I said people can't do math or don't bother to check other prices. I'm sad I've wasted so much money on the Jewelcrafter. And honestly I don't see a way for Blizzard to even fix this problem since its not an in game problem. It's people not doing the right calculations. I don't really blame people its easy to miss. I posted one gem (a perfect square) a while back and when I got my money for it I realized I had forgotten to take the AH cut into account and barely made any money on it, possibly even losing some all told. The cost of tomes and the original gems themselves is small, but due to the exponential nature of the crafting process it adds up fast. A radiant star needs 729 flawless squares. For emeralds thats over a million gold in value right there.

Its the same issue people have in a lot of MMOs. They're like "well I farmed all the mats for it myself so its free" except they forget you can sell the individual mats and then pay someone else a lower price to craft something. People may be considering the flawless squares as "free" along with the tomes which is causing them to do the wrong calculations to determine value.

Right now its better to just sell your flawless squares on the AH and buy any higher level gem you may want. Considering you can't even make gems past stars without the pre-requisite recipe makes it even MORE absurd that those above that are still not selling for a profit.

by **DaBigCheez** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:51 pm UTC

So yeah, dat inferno nerf...my understanding is Act 2 enemies are doing ~64% of their previous damage, Act 3/4 ~56%. My barbarian's gone from getting more or less two-shot repeatedly to actually feeling slightly overtanked. (Until I run up against a tough pack of champs and get worn down, but even then, it's "worn down" rather than "instagibbed", and it feels like I'm actually fighting them rather than running away, dying and occasionally getting a hit in.)

Of course, repair bills should be fun times.

by **The Utilitarian** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:20 pm UTC

Logged in. Tried out Act2 Inferno on my Barbarian, who has all good IL61+ gear after some serious time farming act1 inferno and a lot of AH:

Died again and again and again. After getting to the first waypoint in act 2 I had one shitty yellow, two shitty blues, and a 20,000 repair bill. Sigh.

by **faranim** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:43 pm UTC

I made the same mistake with the gem crafting. I had a large stockpile of gems and tomes, so the only actual cost I incurred is the base crafting cost of the gem upgrades. Even still, making higher than Flawless Square is a loss when you account for the 15% Auction Fee.

Perfect Square = 30k
Radiant Square = 50k + 90k = 140k
Star = 80k + 420k = 500k

Star Topaz was selling for 575k on the AH. After the 15% fee that's only like 490k gold, more than the NPC cost of doing the upgrades. And that assumes that the tomes and base gems were free.

by **Diadem** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:11 pm UTC

So I'm trying A2 now, and to my surprise it's actually harder, not easier. Their damage nerf does not compensate for mine.

Worse though is that the game is lagging quite badly now. Anyone else have this problem?

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