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by **Kain** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:30 am UTC

Okay, so I learned something very interesting just now. If you get an enderman stuck in a minecart, he will get mad at you if you look at him, but will be unable to chase you. If you shoot him with an arrow, he will momentarily teleport away, only to teleport right back into the minecart. Also, you can kill endermen with arrows, as I suspected (as you can light them on fire with flame bows), it just takes somewhere on the order of a metric ton of arrows to do so.

Oh, and the saddled pigs in minecarts trick does work in multiplayer, regardless of what the wiki says.

P.S. The Endermen have enough time in the brief teleport time to grab a block, apparently:

Spoiler:

by **Snark** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:07 pm UTC

Hal's way of greeting me when I visited his house. P.S. He's playing dead.

by **Kain** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:08 pm UTC

So, I have come to the conclusion that I am, in fact, quite evil. I was messing around in creative working on teaching myself some redstone/ programming, and had a delightful idea to make a skinner box in an adventure map that would have an ~ 2 in 9 chance of giving a good item to the player every 16 times they hit the button (obviously it would have to be in a dangerous area... obviously...). Something like this, perhaps (spoilered because I don't know how to make the image any smaller):

Spoiler:

Yes, I know there are more compact ways of doing a flip. I haven't figured them out yet, though, and I am trying to do this without relying on the wiki (aside from using wikipedia to refresh myself on the basic logic gates [ie which is which]).

Oh, as for what would be in the skinner box? I figure one stack of 64 poison potions, one quarter stack of diamonds, a stack of arrows, one really nice enchanted sword, and 6 stacks of sticks. Who doesn't like sticks? Err, maybe that would be stealing Vechs' ideas too much. Maybe 6 stacks of 64 enchanted gold hoes? (With efficiency 5, of course).

by **Roosevelt** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:42 pm UTC

On account of over population in our cities (painful server lag and instability) I've ordered a temporary block on Golem immigration to pandora (barricading the canal shut).

Also, I will offer a small bounty (gold nugget) for each undocumented golem (freeloader outside the village) lawfully detained and captured (killed with extreme prejudice).

by **Kain** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:34 pm UTC

46 iron golems lay ruined at my hand (or rather, 46 roses were looted from their mangled wreckage).

I am now completely out of arrows and tnt, and my two decent bows are in tatters.

Still, completely worth it.

by **Feylias** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:32 pm UTC

I've been futzing around as a zombie hermit on the MA server. Zombie =

Spoiler:

by **jestingrabbit** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:20 pm UTC

Kain wrote:46 iron golems lay ruined at my hand (or rather, 46 roses were looted from their mangled wreckage).

I guess that explains that then. (vive, yes?)

by **Kain** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:41 pm UTC

jestingrabbit wrote:
Kain wrote:46 iron golems lay ruined at my hand (or rather, 46 roses were looted from their mangled wreckage).

I guess that explains that then. (vive, yes?)

Indeed. A message from the resistance to all Golem fighting members of Pandora, who yearn for freedom from the tyranny of Lag.

by **mieulium** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:04 am UTC

.....Whats up with the nether blocks that are lying just to the right of my house forming a "path" towards the railroad?

by **Steax** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:06 am UTC

It appears to be blocking the radiation spread from your nearby village.

... Is there a reason we can't add a third golem outlet that drowns them, meaning free iron?

by **jestingrabbit** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:45 am UTC

Steax wrote:It appears to be blocking the radiation spread from your nearby village.

... Is there a reason we can't add a third golem outlet that drowns them, meaning free iron?

Golems can breath underwater seems like a slightly silly reason, but there it is anyway. Another option would be a huge death drop, like, nearly from the new ceiling, all the way down. But yeah, after we have a few golems wandering around the town centre, throwing a switch to make an iron and roses farm could be a thing.

by **Steax** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:00 pm UTC

Ah, I meant suffocating. Or does that not work either?

by **jestingrabbit** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:40 pm UTC

Steax wrote:Ah, I meant suffocating. Or does that not work either?

Suffocation works I think, but its less fun than a tower that extends to the new ceiling imo.

by **Kain** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:41 pm UTC

You can use a lava blade to kill them, presumably. Probably would be a lot faster than a suffocation trap. Of course, I personally would suggest that we avoid doing any golem farms with any village within chunk loading distance of areas where we generally have a lot of people. I do NOT want to have to go through another pair of bows taking out yet another iron golem apocalypse...
Oh, you may notice that I removed all the doors in the village. That is because of the terrible villager AI that tries to cram all of them into one building, causing them to overcrowd a building and rapidly open and close the doors to try and swap out who is inside. Until such time as villagers get an intelligence buff, I suggest we keep the local villages on shutdown. We should have pletny of available testificates for trading purposes, and if necessary we can always bring more over from other villages.

by **The Utilitarian** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:04 pm UTC

The best way to kill Golems is with Lava Blades.

What you need is a horizontal tunnel three blocks deep with a ladder directly under the opening. You place one block of lava at the very back of it. The lava will flow four blocks, but because the ladder is under the fourth blocks, a thin slice of lava will hang in the open air, unable to fall. If you place these blades 3 blocks off the ground they will be at head level for the golems, damaging and killing them without destroying the delicious iron afterwards which falls on the ground. If you want to see how they work you can check out my (apparently failed) golem farm on the rail line from the desert village. They're what's in the middle of the water trap at the center of the complex.

*edit* also golems can't drown but they won't fight back if they're completely submerged, it seems.

by **Kain** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:28 pm UTC

You know what we need on our server? Something to use up all that redstone we have sitting about. Something like, say, a telegraph line.

Spoiler:

by **jestingrabbit** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:43 pm UTC

Problem with that, it will only communicate through chunks that are loaded.

And I do my best to make the redstone craziness happen, but with torches bugging out, its kinda pointless atm. *please fix it in the next update, please fix it in the next update*

by **Kain** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:55 pm UTC

I never said it would be practical, just that it would be a great way to burn through a double stack of redstone. Lets see, two way circuits alone burn through 2.3 x the distance covered in redstone. Or, of course, I could be lazy and just make two parallel circuits :/

As for the torch bug, isn't that more of a server bug than an update one? It seemed like the problems only occurred once we switched providers, not when we got on to 1.2.5. I could of course be mistaken.

by **bigglesworth** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:34 pm UTC

Oh man, that makes me want to set up Clacks on a server I'm on.

by **bluejello** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:40 pm UTC

Minecraft, why do you not want to connect and like to throw out the error: internal client error, connection timed out (just got a new error... failed to verify username, never got that before, did leave minecraft in the start page for a while And in
If I remember correctly iron golems do not take fall damage or drown, but as they have 50 HP lava will take a while to kill them, so will suffication. but hey, free AFKable iron

Working on a iron golem grinder, may or may not work. Blocked off the iron golem path underground and uncovered the entry points. No iron golems will get to the pandora area with the my blockage.

by **Feylias** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:22 pm UTC

If you're trying to log in to servers and not getting on with a failed to verify username error, it's because Minecraft's login servers are down. They're working on it.

by **Dthen** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:45 pm UTC

Feylias wrote:If you're trying to log in to servers and not getting on with a failed to verify username error, it's because Minecraft's login servers are down. They're working on it.

That explains a lot. Thanks.

by **bluejello** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:57 pm UTC

they do not seem to be down per say, but quite iffy. Occasionally you can get in, other times no.

by **Dthen** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:56 am UTC

Anyway, I appear to be playing Minecraft again. I appear to be playing on SexyTalon's server. I am working on beautifying a cave system.

by **cephalopod9** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:42 am UTC

Is there a part of Pandora that would especially benefit from a cake factory?
I brought a building supplies from my ice palace near the spawn, but I'm not sure what's going on out here, and I may have been looking at an outdated version of the map.

Dthen wrote:Anyway, I appear to be playing Minecraft again. I appear to be playing on SexyTalon's server. I am working on beautifying a cave system.

Where? I like making cave systems.

by **Magnanimous** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:34 am UTC

I can't believe I hadn't played this before today... It's like Skyblock, but a one-chunk square that's about seventy blocks tall. It's pretty fun to work your way down to the bottom.

(Also I kind of want to make my own... It reminds me of the game Legend of Grimrock.)

by **Dthen** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:07 am UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:Is there a part of Pandora that would especially benefit from a cake factory?
I brought a building supplies from my ice palace near the spawn, but I'm not sure what's going on out here, and I may have been looking at an outdated version of the map.
Dthen wrote:Anyway, I appear to be playing Minecraft again. I appear to be playing on SexyTalon's server. I am working on beautifying a cave system.
Where? I like making cave systems.

A few minutes walk from Pandora.

by **halgdp** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:38 am UTC

YAY!!!! I visited the occupational Therapist earlier this morning and she said I could finally write and play on the keyboard with my left hand! =)
It's pretty hard to relax in my legs now that I've used those to walk around in MC in 2 months. But it worked!
=)

by **Fractangle** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:26 pm UTC

So I've been working on the End Portal quest, and this is where I'm at:
(spoilered, as per the definition of "spoiler")

Spoiler:

Clue 1: It's a cryptogram that solves to "South satellite dish".
Result of clue 1: I ended up in the big bowl-like structure near the desert town, and found clue 2.

Clue 2: It's a shift-your-hands-on-a-qwerty-keyboard replacement cipher (which was harder than intended, as I'm a dvorak typist) that solves to "grab a good book go left go right"
Result of clue 2: This is where things got weird for me. Once I decrypted clue 2, I killed myself (as I would starve to death before reaching anywhere interesting anyway). At spawn, I went back along the boardwalk and saw books in the Greasy Classhole, so I figured what the heck. Facing the bookshelves, you can't really go left, so I figured the directions were for when leaving the bookshelves. I went left out of the Greasy Classhole, and then right through a fence gate just outside the spawn plaza thing.

After a few minutes of swimming around under the boardwalk, I found a 1x2 tunnel going straight down. At the bottom, were two stone pressure plates, and the backs of four pistons. Stepping on the pressure plates didn't do anything to the pistons. There was no piston sound, just the click of the pressure plates. I punched out two pistons, and two black wool beyond them, thinking it was simply red-torch burnout. Just past the pistons is the End Portal! But... there's another tunnel into the End Portal room. I replaced the pistons and wool, and went exploring this tunnel. Apparently the "entrance" I found was actually supposed to be the exit, as the tunnel ended at a pool of water below a vertical drop that the coordinates say is right by the combination lock at the start of the quest. Oops!

As far as I'm aware, I fixed everything that I may have broken. If I missed something, I sincerely apologize.

Result of clue 2, take 2: I remembered about there being a library somewhere, and as luck would have it, there's a nicely-labelled rail from Grand Central Station straight to it! Inside, I've found clue 3...

Clue 3: There are 4 signs here. 3 in the front, and 1 in the back. The leftmost two of the front three have some gibberish that I'm not going to type here, to prevent people finding it with a search, and the rightmost one says that the leftmost two are to be read across the signs, as 4 lines of text. The back sign just says "(with respect to Mr. Munroe)".

I have not solved the gibberish in this clue.

TL;DR VERSION: I solved a couple clues, accidentally broke into the end portal room but didn't use it, kept working on more clues but now I'm stuck.

By the way, the main reason I'm interested in going to The End is so I can build a high-efficiency Enderman-based XP farm. Would I be correct in assuming that if I go far enough from the main "end island" where the pillars and such are, that the End/Ender Dragon wouldn't stray that far afield? Meaning it would be safe to use materials that the dragon would normally destroy?

by **halgdp** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:41 pm UTC

Fractangle wrote: By the way, the main reason I'm interested in going to The End is so I can build a high-efficiency Enderman-based XP farm. Would I be correct in assuming that if I go far enough from the main "end island" where the pillars and such are, that the End/Ender Dragon wouldn't stray that far afield? Meaning it would be safe to use materials that the dragon would normally destroy?

I think it only would work if you shook off the dragon from your track and going away so fast that he doesn't notice ya again. But I would think that the dragon is programmed to circle around all land or something so it wouldn't be a perfect solution. But I would myself love if someone (maybe you) made it before 1.3 (august 1st) so I can learn how fast it really is. =)

And by the way. If you start on it I could help you with the materials you want to use. And one question, can the dragon really destroy any materials, and if so. How??? By flying into stuff since she doesn't have fire-breath???

EDIT: I looked up on the wiki and saw why things get destroyed. Then I saw this bug about getting multiple Dragons. Since they seem so easy can't we spawn a couple to fight? Pleeaaaaseeee :?:

by **bluejello** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:19 am UTC

~~where is the end portal? at pandora or old spawn, as I would like to have a attempt at it.~~ It is at spawn, isn't it?

by **Steax** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:38 am UTC

It's probably at old spawn, because if the end portal is too far from the origin, it won't connect to the End correctly, apparently. Or something like that.

I'll be back home tomorrow, should see you guys online later!

by **bluejello** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:18 am UTC

got to the third clue, and some help from TheMonkey

Spoiler:

In other news, I will be gone for the next threeish weeks to Kenya.

by **Feylias** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:25 am UTC

Fractangle wrote: Would I be correct in assuming that if I go far enough from the main "end island" where the pillars and such are, that the End/Ender Dragon wouldn't stray that far afield?

Sorta; you can experiment with this in creative mode fairly easily.

If you get far enough away from the dragon he'll stop following you and just freeze in mid-air same as he is now. I had it happen on accident during my hardcore game's
anti-climactic fight with the dragon

That said, he's a bit of a marshmallow now and does zero damage after the first time you damage him even a little; if you wear a pumpkin helmet and bring a pick you can gather oodles of end stone and use that and obsidian to create a ridiculously long bridge away from the starting platform and dragon with little difficulty, and all he'll do is push you around a little (dangerous on edges). I think your science will work fine.

by **Fractangle** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:27 pm UTC

Feylias wrote:You can gather oodles of end stone and use that and obsidian to create a ridiculously long bridge away from the starting platform and dragon with little difficulty, and all he'll do is push you around a little (dangerous on edges). I think your science will work fine.

Awesome, I'll give that a go when I'm done with the end portal quest. Thanks for the info!

by **Melic** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:14 am UTC

Anyone have any claim to

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37294115/map.ht ... 668&zoom=7

and all the area 20 blocks underground and 200 blocks west (tectonicus?)

I have a bit of a project i want to move there if no one complains.

by **jestingrabbit** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:08 am UTC

Melic wrote:Anyone have any claim to

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37294115/map.ht ... 668&zoom=7

and all the area 20 blocks underground and 200 blocks west (tectonicus?)

I have a bit of a project i want to move there if no one complains.

I think you're okay. I have a little mining outpost, west of there, near the portal on the north eastern boundary of the desert. But, aside from that, I've seen nothing of note out there. Apart form the mountains of course. They're quite nice in that part of the world.

by **Steax** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:27 am UTC

Knowing Melic, there's a good chance it will be underground. I assume. =p

I'll be back in a bit. I've also been playing around with Technic and.. it's addicting.

by **blalobw** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:51 pm UTC

bluejello wrote:Minecraft, why do you not want to connect and like to throw out the error: internal client error, connection timed out (just got a new error... failed to verify username, never got that before, did leave minecraft in the start page for a while And in
If I remember correctly iron golems do not take fall damage or drown, but as they have 50 HP lava will take a while to kill them, so will suffication. but hey, free AFKable iron

Working on a iron golem grinder, may or may not work. Blocked off the iron golem path underground and uncovered the entry points. No iron golems will get to the pandora area with the my blockage.

Thanks for taking care of this, when I get a chance I'll check out what you've done.

by **Kain** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:15 am UTC

Melic, one of my projects is in the area nearby, but I don't think it extends quite to the area you are claiming, so you should be good. I mention this just to warn you that while expanding my storage areas I may accidentally stumble upon whatever secret doomsday lair you are building.

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