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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:04 pm UTC

Sorry, yeah, I was agreeing with you that it sounds like an expensive promotion. The only loophole I can see in it is that they have to observe you spinning it to claim your prizes from it and that will cut down on some of the freebies...... but that also sounds like it'd just lead to people hanging out for five minutes out of spite, getting their free bagel and never coming back.

I'm assuming it's a temporary deal.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Yakk » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:31 pm UTC

So I've glanced at the pokemon CP calculation.

And as far as I can tell, it (A) neglects moveset, and (B) overvalues the ATK stat by its square.

Now your at-will move is far more important than your special.

If we presume a baseline 10 DPS on a move, we can work out the move's DPS, take its sqrt, then divide by 10 you'll get your "attacker CP multiplier" that is more accurate.

For defenders, assuming a 1.5 second delay between moves, take the damage, divide by 1.5, take the sqrt and divide by 10 for a similar "defender CP multiplier".

The ATK stat over-value can be corrected by dividing by the sqrt of the attack stat (this neglects IV -- we can add 0-15, maybe 10, before doing this to make it easy).

I think the result would be a more accurate "effective CP":"displayed CP" number.

...

This will tell you how far off the CP is. But for how awesome a pokemon is absolutely (ignoring the displayed CP), we care about how much "effective CP" it gets *per level* on both attack and defence.

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Am I right in neglecting special moves? From what I can tell, they take so long to charge up and only at best do marginally better damage than the base move...

With STAB and the fact that "barely effective" and "super effective" are only x1.25 multipliers, it rarely is worth a serious consideration to switch up move choice, unless you are going from "barely effective + STAB" attacks to "super effective + STAB" attacks, which is really rare. Especially considering basic attacks make it really easy to dodge their basic attacks.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Zohar » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:47 pm UTC

Special moves are good if they give you a super-effective result vs. your regular moves. But otherwise, I don't think they're worthwhile.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:08 pm UTC

A good special move is great when defending - things like solar flare will fuck up attackers.

But when attacking? Maybe as an opener. That's about it. If your regular attack isn't super effective or doing that much damage, swap out for someone better suited.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby sardia » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:43 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Sorry, yeah, I was agreeing with you that it sounds like an expensive promotion. The only loophole I can see in it is that they have to observe you spinning it to claim your prizes from it and that will cut down on some of the freebies...... but that also sounds like it'd just lead to people hanging out for five minutes out of spite, getting their free bagel and never coming back.

I'm assuming it's a temporary deal.

I think they assumed this game was for children or something. Then it would make sense. Right now I'm driving by every day for an afternoon snack. Even without the lure, it's only 75 cents for lox. So 60 percent off bagel and lox. That's a great deal.

I may buy some extra salmon to make up for it since i don't drink soda. And yes, it's limited to once per day per person.

I'm farming up cheap pidgeys caterpies and weevils to use for my lucky egg. That should power level me to 17.

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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Zohar » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:43 pm UTC

sardia wrote:I think they assumed this game was for children or something. Then it would make sense. Right now I'm driving by every day for an afternoon snack. Even without the lure, it's only 75 cents for lox. So 60 percent off bagel and lox. That's a great deal.

I may buy some extra salmon to make up for it since i don't drink soda. And yes, it's limited to once per day per person.

You can probably buy in-game coins to get lures and you'll make money off of it. Until they cancel the promotion of course.

In a month I'm going to Colorado, and I'm hoping the change of location will allow me to get a bunch more pokemon. But after that, I think I may stop playing the game - it doesn't feel particularly satisfying to play anymore, with the lack of interesting pokemon, my limited interest in battling gym (practically useless after you get your coins), getting stupid stuff from eggs, and it's too damn hot to go on pokewalks. We'll see, it might change when it's cooler.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby sardia » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:08 pm UTC

Nope, lure is 100 coins, aka a dollar. It's cheaper to buy the lox and get the poke stop bagel for free.

I think you're supposed to vary from working in the city and living in the suburbs. Then you get two areas to farm from.

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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Zohar » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:21 pm UTC

Yeah the pokemons around my work and my home are all pretty much the same.

Regarding in-app purchases, if you buy 8 lures at once, that's 680 coins. If you pay $10 at once (not a ridiculous amount when considering food), you'll get 1200 coins. That comes to 71 cents per lure, which is cheaper than the 75 cents lox normally costs. Of course, if you buy more coins at once then the price goes lower - if you buy 14,500 coins with $99.99, then each lure only costs 58.6 cents. That's a lot of lox, though - 170 if you use all those coins for that, and I very much doubt the promotion would last half a year (or that you would want to eat lox every single day).
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Xanthir » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:42 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:(or that you would want to eat lox every single day).

You doubt our dedication.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Zohar » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:11 pm UTC

Possibly - when I wasn't a vegetarian I didn't particularly care for fish. Then again, I was 12 then.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby sardia » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:45 pm UTC

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You doubt our dedication.

Update from bagel land, the store has updated it's policy. Only non lox cream cheese is free. So I can get a bagel for a stop or a Free cream cheese bagel for a lure. I think I'll just hit the stop for a free bagel and pay for cream cheese instead of using precious lures in a non prime spot. Yes, I'm really into lox cream cheese bagels.

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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Xanthir » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:43 am UTC

The next update will include "Pokemon Buddies": you assign one of your pokemon as your buddy, it'll show up in your stats screen with you and, most importantly, will grant you bonuses like candies when you walk with them.

In other words, your starter will finally have a chance to grow with you, rather than being utterly useless by level 5 when their CP starts to matter. Venusaur all up ins.

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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:25 pm UTC

From what I understand, much as eggs vary in quality over distance, so does buddy candy.

Low-rank buddies get a candy every 1k, high quality 3k, mid tier in (surprise) 2k.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Xanthir » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:55 pm UTC

Works for me. Point is just that your starters, and other "rare" pokemon you've caught that don't often show up in your area can finally actually be *worth* something. Right now you're limited to whatever shows up often enough in your normal catching area for you to have sufficient candies for it.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby DaBigCheez » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:06 am UTC

And, notably, gives a path to get candies for powering up legendary pokemon if they're one-off "event" captures rather than random wild spawns.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:52 am UTC

DaBigCheez wrote:And, notably, gives a path to get candies for powering up legendary pokemon if they're one-off "event" captures rather than random wild spawns.

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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Yakk » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:51 pm UTC

... which I gather and feed it later.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby sardia » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:28 am UTC

Yakk wrote:... which I gather and feed it later.

Oh so it's like a big terrifying god bunny.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SDK » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:00 pm UTC

Buddies are cool. I've been saying since release that they needed some kind of generic candy, and this fits the bill well enough. Seems like a lot of walking though. 600+ km to turn my Dratini into a Dragonite? Geez.

I think I'll just work on my Charmander.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Yakk » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:34 pm UTC

I would walk a thousand miles and I would walk a thousand more
To turn my rare pokemon into their e-e-e-e-volv-ed form
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Re: Pokemon Go

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Yakk wrote:I would walk a thousand miles and I would walk a thousand more
To turn my rare pokemon into their e-e-e-e-volv-ed form
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Or so you proclaim...

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Re: Pokemon Go

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Yakk wrote:I would walk a thousand miles and I would walk a thousand more
To turn my rare pokemon into their e-e-e-e-volv-ed form
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Or so you proclaim...

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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Felstaff » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:57 pm UTC

Did everyone stop playing this because they enjoyed having a battery that lasts past elevenses? My phone is up for contractual renewal in one month, and I'm laying its battery woes (drains erratically, cuts out unexpectedly between 8-18%) on the very door of Gokemon, as the meeting of the twain coincided a little too much for my liking. Also, I know phone batteries decline over time, but this was very sudden, especially after spending 18 months taking such good care of it (and reaping the rewards: my battery until recently lasted a good 36 hours with medium to heavy usage).
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Xanthir » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:00 am UTC

No, I definitely still play. My battery woes were helped by the introduction of the PoGo Plus; when I'm out walking or at my desk, I just have that synced up and I can catch pokemon and hit up pokestops without much trouble at all, and it drains the battery much slower.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SDK » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:34 pm UTC

Still something fun to do while walking the dog. Hatched a Squirtle on the weekend for my 90th pokemon. Yeah, I charge my phone about twice as much as I used to, but it's not really a big hassle.
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Re: Pokemon Go

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Talking about dogs and Pokemon Go... And batteries, I suppose.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Xanthir » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:05 pm UTC

I'm angry about how ugly that car is. Why can't it be adorable, like the Google koala-cars.

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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby sardia » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:51 am UTC

Felstaff wrote:Did everyone stop playing this because they enjoyed having a battery that lasts past elevenses? My phone is up for contractual renewal in one month, and I'm laying its battery woes (drains erratically, cuts out unexpectedly between 8-18%) on the very door of Gokemon, as the meeting of the twain coincided a little too much for my liking. Also, I know phone batteries decline over time, but this was very sudden, especially after spending 18 months taking such good care of it (and reaping the rewards: my battery until recently lasted a good 36 hours with medium to heavy usage).

The update that bans all players with rooted or jailbroken devices is part of it, player fatigue/lack of new content is another part.

The car is ugly is to make it safe. People have this expectation that cars should be sexy, and fast, which really just means dangerous. What they're trying to do is to make you as bored as possible in the car.

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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby cyanyoshi » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:34 am UTC

Felstaff wrote:Did everyone stop playing this because they enjoyed having a battery that lasts past elevenses? My phone is up for contractual renewal in one month, and I'm laying its battery woes (drains erratically, cuts out unexpectedly between 8-18%) on the very door of Gokemon, as the meeting of the twain coincided a little too much for my liking. Also, I know phone batteries decline over time, but this was very sudden, especially after spending 18 months taking such good care of it (and reaping the rewards: my battery until recently lasted a good 36 hours with medium to heavy usage).

I stopped playing because there is no reason to keep playing. The novelty has worn off and revealed just how shallow an experience it is.

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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby EdgarJPublius » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:58 am UTC

I stopped playing because it doesn't work reliably on my phone anymore. it was only ever a thin excuse to get out of my apartment anyway, now that the weather's bearable here I don't really need it. Though that may not last long.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SDK » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:14 pm UTC

It's Halloween and candy is everywhere. My neighbourhood is also overrun by Cubones.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SlyReaper » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:55 pm UTC

Pidgeys, weedles, and caterpies have also become exceedingly rare. Theory is they've replaced them with ghastlies, drowzees, and cubones.

Wandered around Green Park in London today, hoovering up all the charmanders that spawn there. With the double candy bonus, it only took a couple of hours to evolve a charizard.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Yakk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:52 pm UTC

I have to get around to evolving the 100+ I have banked before this bonus is over (so I can melt down the upgraded junkemon).

Anyone know how fast the evolution is after the patch? Can I do 100-odd in a single half-hour egg?
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby eran_rathan » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:28 pm UTC

slightly delayed on this, but I did about 90 on one egg recently, though I'll admit I was distracted during part of it and didn't click through as fast as I possibly could have.


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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SDK » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:05 pm UTC

Tracker's up! Ridiculously easy to use (maybe even too easy), but at least the nearby screen actually means something now.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby ConMan » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:27 pm UTC

SDK wrote:Tracker's up! Ridiculously easy to use (maybe even too easy), but at least the nearby screen actually means something now.

The last notice I saw said it's available in only a few more areas - all of Australia, a couple of bits of the US, and somewhere else (I'm guessing in Canada). Still, it is so much better to be able to isolate a Pokemon's location properly now, although people in rural areas with few Pokestops are still languishing.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby SDK » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:48 pm UTC

Realistically, they were languishing anyway. There are so many times more Pokémon in cities I question why anyone outside the city would even play. However, there was a big increase in the number of Pokémon that spawn around Pokestops recently, even in those pokestops away from highly populated areas. I'm betting that was in anticipation for this new tracker. Given that change, the tracker will probably still get them there more often than not.
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Re: Pokemon Go

Postby Xanthir » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:38 pm UTC

Yeah, I've been quite happy with the new tracker. I won't usually run out of my way to catch something, but sometimes I do!
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