So a gun you know is better than a gun that is actually better?
When people say "this weapon is better than this weapon" it's all subjective. Some are better for x and some are better for y. I chose weapons I know and like for various reasons.
So what happens when I chose a weapon that I don't know how to break down and clean, or properly clear a jam with? I'm right fucked if that happens.
And since you've never actually carried an M16 and an M9 pistol at the same time you cant understand that carrying another pistol or a shotgun on top of that is TOO FUCKING MUCH for any one person to carry. It will only slow you down and get you killed. Even a pistol as a backup is debatable.
I'm screwed if any gun that I use jams! I see what you mean about the x vs y thing. X rifle is good because it can shoot up to 1 kilometre but Y rifle is good because it has very common ammo.
Do you guys think that a pistol crossbow would be about the same weight as a handgun? It's quite solid and its made of steel. It's longer than most handguns that I have ever seen. I find it no problem to carry around. (I took it out the back of the farm once to shoot pumpkins. It made them splatter everywhere!
SecondTalon wrote:Same thing for any sort of blade or bludgeon. If you have no real idea on how to swing a sledge for an hour or so in an efficient way, but you play a shitton of baseball and can stay in the batting cage for hours - use a baseball bat, not a sledgehammer.
SecondTalon get out of my head? Or at least my living room. I have my dads metal baseball bat sitting right beside me. I play with it every day and I would use it in the case of zombie attack.
So in the case of zombie attacks, what would be the best gun for me, my noobish self, to pick up and start shooting? Best answer is "NONE, learn to use a gun, or let someone else use it," but if I HAD to take a gun?
Actually, we had TodayIsTomorrow help us out with gun questions
a while back. He knew a lot of gun stuff. Here's what he had to say about what would possibly be the best guns to start off with:
For a newbie to pick something up and fire it without a problem would be an issue if they've never fired anything in their lives. If you've had any experience at all then it'd be significantly easier. For pistols, its a tossup between a .38 Special revolver and the 1911. The .38 is so simple that a 4 year old can use it (for the love of GOD, don't give a 4 year old a firearm). It has a hammer, a trigger, and the cylinder release. Its single action most of the time, though there are a few doubles out there. Pretty much, if its loaded, you pull the hammer back, point, pull the trigger. The 1911 is one of the most user-friendly automatic's ever created. If you hold the pistol and hold your arm out, you're already looking down the sites. It has a grip safety, a slide safety, the slide release, and the magazine release. Its a single action automatic, so you have to either pull the hammer back on the first round if its down, or rack the slide if there is not a round in the chamber. Like I said before, its one of the easiest pointing pistols in existence, making it a favorite for competition shooting.
For rifles, its a little tougher. If we're going with a rifle that has no optics, then it'd be the AK47. It never jams (we've tried, you can't do it unless you FILL it with sand), is accurate out to about 100 metres, has both semi and fully automatic, and there is an abundance of ammo. The M16 is also a good choice, but is far more finicky. It likes to jam if it isn't perfectly clean, will jam if the magazine is even slightly bent (which is apt to happen if you land on your magazines when you hit the dirt), and honestly has sites that are more difficult to use. If you've got optics on the weapon though, almost every assault rifle ever made can be shot with a good degree of accuracy from even really really strange positions and even one handed. The Aimpoint sites that we use on our M16's now are a god-send for people with no shooting experience. Once you have it zeroed, if you put the dot on the target and pull the trigger, the bullet is going into the dot. Even if the dot is way off to the side of the scope, its still going to hit.
The ultimate newbie weapon is truly the 12 Ga. shotgun though. There's nothing simpler until you have to reload. You rack the slide, point in the general direction, pull the trigger, target is full of holes.
The best arsenal you can have going into combat, if you've got no experience shooting, and a pair of brass balls, is an AK-47, and a 9mm 1911 variant. The shotgun is great for close in work, but ammo is really hard to come by. Everyone outside the US uses 7.62 to feed their AKs and 9mm is so common it isn't even funny.
Ammo as we've noted is a factor, and this might not apply to zombies..
Let the enemy be your quartermaster. Once you're out of ammo, pick up their stuff. Pretty much every AK has the same operating controls, and just about every semi-automatic pistol in existance has the same controls unless you find some of the more odd-ball russian and german stuff.
So zombies won't be holding ammo for you (unless you're trapped in a video game or the army has been zombified), but carrying a weapon where ammo is plentiful is obviously important.
From what I know about guns, that is 100% . . . Hell, its 120%! The Smith and Wesson .38 special single action revolver is a true gangsters weapon (as in, real gangsters from the 50's, not street kids who say "yo, I'm from da streetz! I'll put a cap in yo ass. Pimp ya hoes!" because no one who says that can really be a gangster)
When it comes to reloading, the 1911 will ultimately come out on top. The .38 will take a long time to reload and has only 4 or 6 rounds in it (depending on the revolver)
Ak-47's are awesome. There is no other way to put it. You can drop them in water, bury them in sand, cover them in dirt, drive over them with a car, pick it up and fire it!
I hate German guns. Especially the Luger. It is the most stupid gun I have ever seen! Although, if I had one and I didn't have any other weapon, I guess I would use it. But I would rather use a Colt python .357 magnum double action revolver (wikipedia told me that it can fire .38 special as well as .357 magnum, is that true?)
Susy wrote:I still think shout guns are the best. One shot takes a lot of damage. And is one of the top 5 weapons to kill a zombie. (do have an article on that, if you wish I can share it)
Salt thing, no, not has a deterrence...we do know there a severals types of zombies, one of them are these "returned" zombies, which in theory (acc. to voodo folkore) if they are fed with salt they will go back to the grave (salt kills them)...
Please share the link. And that's what I was meaning about the salt! Although, it wouldn't work against virus zombies and some other zombies.
Note to self: if Phrozt comes to my town looking for help, leave him outside the walls until he agrees to play nicely with the rest of the children.
Phrozt wrote:How exactly does everyone have a cache of military grade armaments available to them?
New Zealand had a terrorist training camp (according to the police) and they had napalm! I know a guy who illegally makes guns! The law is not
going to stop someone getting a good gun. And I'm only in New Zealand! In USA or somewhere like that, most of the illegal guns in New Zealand would be legal. The illegal guns in USA or other places like it would be much better than the illegal guns in New Zealand. From what me friend, it's much harder to get a good gun in Britain because of stricter gun laws. Just imagine what kind of guns you could get in a 3rd world country! Seriously, it's not that difficult to get a cache of military grade armaments anywhere in the world!
Torvaun wrote:I don't know if I'd say -the- easiest, but it's certainly close to the top. I'm torn between that and a .22 revolver, given that a noob isn't going to know the first thing about maintenance and a revolver will be more forgiving on that front.
I agree with the revolver part, but I would say .38 special or .357 magnum. When someone who knows absolutely nothing about guns is shooting at zombies with a revolver, they are going to want a bullet that is going to do some real damage.
Hell, my old ruger is already perfect, because I have two 30 round clips taped together. 60 rounds in a lightweight, easy-to reload configuration? Yes please.
Wow! That's exactly what I would do! (Use duct tape to tape two clips together) . . . I'm GLaD so see that someone is using their head!
3- Gun and ammo stores. (again walmart works great)
Is Wal-mart an American store? I haven't seen any in New Zealand.
Not to mention, due to the size and weight of these bundled banana clips, you could actually get close to the 300-500 round range of bullets that video games say a person can carry (which we all know is BS).
As long as the ammo is light, you have a bag to store it in and you're not stupid, it could be possible. But only carry up to a max
of 10 clips (including the two already attached to the gun) because everyone keeps telling me that weight is an issue. Ok, maybe only 6 or 8 clips . . . because you would need room for other things like food and a spare change of clothes in your bag.
The gas is still down there, you just won't be able to use the pump. Anybody know how to open those caps they use to dump gas under the gas stations? From there you should just be able to siphon it out.
Simple, once you remove the caps, put a clear hose into the fuel, suck on it, when you see fuel coming up the hose, take your mouth away quickly and put the hose in the gas tank opening. Simple. Although, I don't know how to open the caps, it wouldn't be too difficult if you had the time to play around with it.
the 5.75 of the P90
P90 comes in a variety of ammo calibres, most commonly .45 . . . according to wikipedia.
It'll run out of energy eventually, just because it's high velocity and armor piercing doesn't make it an unstoppable bullet of death, try to pop a balloon with one at 300-400 meters, I dare you, if you're lucky it may hit point first which might pop the balloon, but since it's pretty much guaranteed to be tumbling at that range, it's pretty unlikely and won't have the energy left to pop a balloon.
I wish to try this. Now I need a P90, a gun license and ammo for the P90. Can you provide all that? If you can, then I will try it as soon as I get the gun, license, and ammo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedloade ... eedloaders
with one of these babies, I can reload my .357 magnum as fast as I can switch magazines with my dad's Colt defender, and I'd much rather reload a revolver in combat than stack rounds in a magazine
I already knew what speed loaders are. They are always used on video games to increase revolver reloading time. But it is still slower than putting another clip in a pistol. But from what you say, your dad only has one clip for it. That will cause major problems. You must
have more than one clip if you want to reload in combat.
I was thinking a portable generator could help in the siphoning as well, but I would have to mess with it for a while. Maybe rigging some sort of vacuum cleaner might help out. It would have to be trial and error, and which is why you would want to find a remote station to hone your skills on.
It's funny when people think of much more complicated ways of doing things slower than doing it the manual way. Its like looking all around your lounge for your remote when you can simply get up and change the channel on the TV.
We're talking about the zombie apocalypse here. Why even SUGGEST that we're talking about a controlled environment and non-moving targets? And wtf optics are you talking about that you're going to put on a shotgun/smg?
I once saw a pump action shotgun with a mini scope on it. I never saw it get fired, but it looked like the most stupid idea ever! Also, you can attack scopes to SMG's fairly easily, just make sure that you cant see further than you can shoot.
I can't realistically see you giving over said money to a complete stranger on the internet, so I don't see the relevance of you betting money at all. Why not just put forward valid citations of what you're trying to say?
Hahahahahahaha! I would never ever expect anyone to ever give anyone money over the internet. Even if it was $1 . . . you would send the $1 in the mail! . . . but nothing more than $1 lol
EDIT: You know what? Come to think of it... screw a zombie 100 meters away... I'd freaking walk past it, as it would be over a football field away.
Seriously a good idea! . . . or go closer where you can actually aim at it!
thecommabandit has a good plan . . . except for the Katana idea . . . Katana are heavy and not to easy to come by.
Wow . . . I spent two and a half hours going through all that!