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All things GTA4 (Merged threads)

Postby socynicalsohip » Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:22 pm UTC

PS3 or Xbox360? Has anyone played it yet?

This is what I've gleamed from the IGN review http://ps3.ign.com/articles/869/869541p1.html

PS3: Better Graphics, Smoother Framerate, Faster Load times.
Xbox360: Richer Colours, Exclusive downloads, Xbox live.

My friends are split approx 50:50 xbox360/PS3, some have both so multiplayer will not really be an issue either way.
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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby FACM » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:39 pm UTC

Aren't there plans for a PC port at some point?

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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby Allium Cepa » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:00 am UTC

I think the IGN review said that the PS3 had a slight advantage, but not to really lose any hair over it. I've never played a PS3 before, and only recently got an X-Box, but from PS2 I always thought that I liked the controllers better for Playstations, so maybe take that into consideration?
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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby cypherspace » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:15 am UTC

360, for the download content.
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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:03 am UTC

FACM wrote:Aren't there plans for a PC port at some point?

Given the history of the last several, it should be. I have no idea if it's been formally announced or not.
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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby dbsmith » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:11 am UTC

"Richer Colours" wtf?
And really, who owns both a ps3 and an xbox360 anyway?

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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby socynicalsohip » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:36 am UTC

dbsmith wrote:"Richer Colours" wtf?
And really, who owns both a ps3 and an xbox360 anyway?


I was refering to the IGN review. And I do [hence the question].
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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby The Skoot » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:40 pm UTC

It boils down to whether you think a slightly better frame rate, better graphics and shorter load times are worth missing out on the DLC (which admittedly we don't know anything about, but given that it's Rockstar I'm willing to bet that it'll be good) for. Personally those things don't bother me too much, so I'd go for the Xbox version.

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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby Notch » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:39 pm UTC

I'm probably going to end up getting both, but I'm starting with the PS3 version.

My for getting it for the PS3:
  • GTA feels like a playstation game to me. I realize this is fanboyish, but I can't help it.
  • Slightly better framerate sounds good to me, and slightly shorter loading times. (Although the eight minute mandatory initial install kinda sucks..)
  • I bought a new tv (46" full hd) this weekend just for this game, and since I've only got a core XBox360, I don't get proper hdmi on it, only component.
  • I need at least ONE good game to justify owning a PS3. Watching Casino Royale over and over just doesn't do it. (Resistance: Fall of man SUCKED)

.. and the reasons I'll probably end up getting it for XBox360 as well:
  • I'm going to play it at least twice anyway.
  • XBox Live! seriously kicks ass
  • Downloadable content. Sure, these will probably not be made by RockStar North, and will probably be relatively sucky, but I need it anyway.
  • I bought THREE copies of San Andreas (my first PS2 disk broke, and then I just had to get it over steam), so I'm on a roll.


Take this with a huuuuge grain of salt, as it's far from a reliable source, but there's a rumor going around that there won't be a pc version. :-(

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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby lowbart » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:50 pm UTC

If they pull the plug on the PC release I swear to FSM I'll never pay for another fucking Take Two product ever again.
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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby Edawan » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:09 pm UTC

Kotaku made a comparison between the two versions.
http://kotaku.com/384422/which-version- ... 0-versions

TLDR : the two are almost identical, so get it on the X360 for the DLC.


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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby Felstaff » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:39 pm UTC

I remember they said there'd be no Vice City or San Andreas on PC for several months. They held back from announcing a port until Sony or Microsorft (I forget which) had finished their advertising run for the game. It's common to hold back on the PC news until the first-run console ads have dried up. (Ever notice a game is "Only available for [console]" in the ads, only to find a port pop out of nowhere for the rival console several weeks later?)
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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby Endless Mike » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:09 pm UTC

dbsmith wrote:"Richer Colours" wtf?
And really, who owns both a ps3 and an xbox360 anyway?

I will own both come June. At the moment I only have a 360, so I'm getting that version. If I had both, I'd still get it because of the DLC and achievements (the latter of which is a stupid reason, but they're fun). I can live with slightly longer loading times.

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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby Pixel » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:14 pm UTC

I'm getting it for the 360. In fact I bought a 360 so I could get it for that system.

I had to figure in console purchase price though and the 20gb 360 is $50 cheaper than the PS3 40gb, and has *way* more titles including some that the PS3 doesn't have.

But the downloadable content for the 360 was what solidified that choice.

EDIT: amusing side note, I need to take one of my cars in for exhaust work on Thursday. So rather than just coming into work late I'm taking the day off so I can drop the car off, bike home, play GTA4 all day, and pick up my car that evening.
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Postby lowbart » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:55 pm UTC

Felstaff wrote:I remember they said there'd be no Vice City or San Andreas on PC for several months. They held back from announcing a port until Sony or Microsorft (I forget which) had finished their advertising run for the game. It's common to hold back on the PC news until the first-run console ads have dried up. (Ever notice a game is "Only available for [console]" in the ads, only to find a port pop out of nowhere for the rival console several weeks later?)


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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby Pandercolour » Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:12 am UTC

Get whatever version your friends are getting.

Unless you don't have friends. In which case I guess you're screwed.

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Re: GTA IV: Which version should I get?

Postby Amnesiasoft » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:42 am UTC

As a note, wiki says "Downloadable content for the PlayStation 3 was reportedly said to be "likely" by Jeronimo Barrera, in the May edition of PlayStation World Magazine.[57] The form that the content will take was not stated."

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Grand Theft Auto IV

Postby Pixel » Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:45 pm UTC

I'm picking up my copy of this on the way home from work today, and can hardly wait. I broke down and bought a 360 just so I could play it. I've loved all the games in this series, and this one looks to take it to a new level.

I forsee myself being glued to the 360 every free second for a minimum of the next week. I even warned my SO that I was likely to be completely obsessed with GTA4 for the near future so she could plan accordingly.

It sounds like, from all the reviews I've read, that the city in this game is exactly the environment I've been wanting in a game for *ages*. A realistic place to play in that doesn't just feel like random set pieces to hang the action and game story on.

If you've got it, what are your thoughts so far?
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Postby Amnesiasoft » Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:55 pm UTC

I ordered it off of Newegg just half an hour ago. Would have bought it at a store, but I figure I won't even stand a chance of getting it since I didn't pre-order. Hey, don't look at me like that, I only decided I wanted it last night, well, and I don't trust Gamestop with pre-orders. Like with Assassin's Creed, since the store didn't have enough to cover the pre-orders the guy at the counter decided to let me buy a copy anyway :P. From the sounds of it, they fixed everything that I utterly despised about the GTA games (Controls, boring characters and boring story).

I foresee a Zero Punctuation review next week.

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Postby Notch » Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:59 pm UTC

I've got the ps3 version in my hands. I get off work in 20 minutes. Time passes very slowly.

Anyone want to try some multiplayer later on?

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Re: All things GTA4 (Merged threads)

Postby Pixel » Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:02 pm UTC

Ok... that was an interesting thread merge. I started a second thread because the first was clearly about which version to get, while the new one was about the gameplay itself. Ah well, guess that isn't as seperate as I thought.
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Postby SecondTalon » Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:36 pm UTC

I'd rather not have a repeat of the Portal threads.
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Re: All things GTA4 (Merged threads)

Postby Pixel » Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:53 pm UTC

Eh, no worries. Makes sense, especially in light of the Portal threads.

Four hours before I can get out of here and pick it up, then at least another hour of Crap I Need to Get DoneTM before I can start playing. This is going to be a slow day.
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Postby Endless Mike » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:59 pm UTC

Amnesiasoft wrote:I foresee a Zero Punctuation review next week.

Not likely. He lives in Australia and has mentioned he only reviews games when they get them there, hence his reviews being on games we've had for months.

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Postby Pixel » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:10 pm UTC

Endless Mike wrote:
Amnesiasoft wrote:I foresee a Zero Punctuation review next week.

Not likely. He lives in Australia and has mentioned he only reviews games when they get them there, hence his reviews being on games we've had for months.


Surprisingly The Australian release date is April 29th, same as the rest of the world. I do forsee a delay though as he has to have a chance to play the game most/all all of the way through before he'll be able to review it. I can't wait for him to review it though.
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Postby cypherspace » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:58 pm UTC

He'll probably leave it a couple of weeks to let us all wank over it before he tears it apart in a completely and utterly correct way.

My copy is at the local post delivery office and supposedly, I can't go get it till Thursday. I think I might buy a copy somewhere else and let the other one get returned for a refund.
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Re: All things GTA4 (Merged threads)

Postby Felstaff » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:04 pm UTC

Whilst I wait for the PC version to rear its highly-defined head, I spent most of the e'ening installing previous autos of the large thefty type. GTA I & II are available for free Windows-friendly download from the nice people at Rockstar. I had to get no-CD crackages for GTA III, thanks to the great CD fire of 2003, which destroyed all records of me owning the game. The only ones I can't get my perfectly manicured bony fingers on are GTA London 1969 & 1961. Well, I got 1961, but need the 1969 CD to play it.
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Postby rockintom99 » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:14 pm UTC

Just have to say, this game is *awesome*.

We should get some XKCD group cops and robbers going. Playing with people who are usually lame is... lame.
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Postby Amnesiasoft » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:07 am UTC

Pixel wrote:Surprisingly The Australian release date is April 29th, same as the rest of the world. I do forsee a delay though as he has to have a chance to play the game most/all all of the way through before he'll be able to review it. I can't wait for him to review it though.

Which is why I said next week. Gives him a week to play it. And the release for GTA4 was international, Everyone got it the same day.

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Postby Pixel » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:39 am UTC

Been playing for a few hours tonight, and I have to say this game is amazingly beautiful and detailed. The city, people and cars all look very realistic, and the cars and people by and large act realistic. What is both delighting me and disturbing me is how some of the random people on the street act and react to things. I tried to steal someone's car, and he grabbed the door handle to pull me back out just as I took off. He hung onto the door handle screaming for two blocks before falling off.

I've been about 1/2 playing the actual missions and about 1/2 just driving around at random, trying different cars, exploring different areas of the city.

It is as cool as I'd hoped, and my social life is doomed for the foreseeable future. :)
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Postby Notch » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:30 am UTC

I got to bed at about 3:30 am, having completed some 6% of the game.

Yes, there still are bugs and glitches, and the character animations are still embarrassingly bad (especially in the cutscenes), but my god, it's full of stars.
I very much enjoyed getting drunk with roman (too bad you don't get to see/play the drinking part), and trying to drive back home. On a Freeway.

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Postby Amnesiasoft » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:57 am UTC

Notch wrote:Yes, there still are bugs and glitches

Hey, look on the bright side, they've finally implemented a proper patching system on consoles rather than the "Too bad, you have to buy the game again" system they used to have.

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Postby Notch » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:21 am UTC

The bugs and glitches didn't stop me from loving the other GTA games. =)
Somehow, gta gets away with stuff most other games would suffer a lot more from.

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Postby scowdich » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:59 am UTC

A couple favorite experiences in the game so far:
-Jacking somebody's car only to drive away with them still clinging to it; I wound up scraping him off on some construction equipment.
-Getting the 300-yard-wheelie achievement, with a wheelie terminated by me crashing into a highway barrier and flying into the side of an apartment block.
-Doing a barrel roll (fuck yeah!) from a higher section of roadway to a lower one, landing squarely on all 4 tires. Attempting to replicate this freak-of-nature occurrence landed me on top of a building; as far as I know, the car's still up there.

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Postby lowbart » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:56 am UTC

I spent a few hours playing it at a friend's house ( I don't do consoles) and these are some of the things I learned:
- the Vespa thing is really slow, but if you T-bone a police car while going full speed you'll still be thrown a good 30 feet and land on your head. And the cops will not be happy about it.
- Cops are everywhere. But at least they aren't psychic any more.
- If a car falls on top of you, you die.
- Headlights are actually useful.
- The onscreen text is really small. On my friend's huge but old CRT television, it's kinda hard to read.
- The Moonbeam, Blista Compact, Stallion, Sabre, Landstalker, Buccaneer, Uranus, and Sentinel are back.
- There are 2-door and 4-door versions of some cars.
- You can swim.
- The cops will still shoot at you if you jump in the water.
- If you crash your car at a high speed, you can be thrown out through the windshield.
- You buy different pieces of clothing separately. And, I think you can lose your sunglasses.
- The radio is excellent, as usual.
- The barricades blocking you from accessing the other islands are replaced by parked police cars. No invisible walls! But, you still get six stars if you try to get through.
- There's a lot of attention to detail, even though there are still no windshield wipers. At night, when someone opens the door of a car, the interior light will come on, and then go off again when the door is closed.
- There's no gun shop. You have to get guns from other people, like cops or gangsters.
- If you try to break away while a cop is trying to arrest you, be prepared to lose some health because he will start shooting.

And, my favorite trick still works: Punch the door of a police car, wait for the cops to get out, get them to chase you around a corner, and then dash back to the cruiser and drive off. Suddenly you have a shotgun and a fast car!
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Re: All things GTA4 (Merged threads)

Postby Amnesiasoft » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:20 pm UTC

lowbart wrote:The onscreen text is really small. On my friend's huge but old CRT television, it's kinda hard to read.

Sounds like the same thing that happened with Dead Rising. It's getting quite annoying when people are designing their GUI's as though nobody uses a standard definition telivision anymore. Good thing I use my massive CRT monitor for my 360 (1800x1440)

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Re: All things GTA4 (Merged threads)

Postby lowbart » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:40 pm UTC

Yeah, if I tried to play GTA4 on a TV smaller than 30" I would probably go blind. Or, just not be able to read anything.

The new health bar is annoying too. But I'll probably get used to it eventually. At least it has more color contrast than the San Andreas one, even though it's in the wrong part of the screen.
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Re: All things GTA4 (Merged threads)

Postby Pixel » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:48 pm UTC

lowbart wrote:- The onscreen text is really small. On my friend's huge but old CRT television, it's kinda hard to read.


I didn't have a huge problem with this on my 27" TV, but then I'd just spent two days playing Dead Rising, so any text looks reasonable by comparison.

lowbart wrote:- The radio is excellent, as usual.


Oh yes, I'm planning on leaving the game running with Niko in a car while I'm on the computer as the music is better than my MP3 collection.

lowbart wrote:- There's a lot of attention to detail, even though there are still no windshield wipers. At night, when someone opens the door of a car, the interior light will come on, and then go off again when the door is closed.


The lack of windshield wipers amused me, they spent a bunch of time on pedestrian animations for when it rains (pull out umbrellas or newpaper, run under awnings) but didn't put in wipers. Even better is that some cars have wiper marks on their dirty windshields.

Some of my own thoughts.
-Tons of different cars, and they're much better about having a good mix, you're a lot less likely to see four of the same car driving on the same block.
-Cars are dirty, like you'd expect to see in a poorer neighborhood of NYC. And if you wash them they get dirty again.
-I love the beat up, rusted out, backfiring versions of the Camaro & Cadillac (can't recall the in-game names). It is oddly satisfying to successfully run from the cops in the biggest POS ever.
-Tires could be a *bit* stickier, I seem to often try an handbrake 90deg turn and end up skidding backwards for half a block.
-I like the bowling, darts & pool minigames (though I suck at pool in GTA4 just like in real life), they were far better than the minigames in GTA:SA as it had some connection to the game being played, no DDR nonsense.
-Being drunk is just annoying. Every time I drunk hailed a cab (and it bothered to pull over) by the time I stumbled to it they drove off without me.
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Postby Endless Mike » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:55 pm UTC

I don't have any trouble with the text on my 32" HDTV. They're designing games for HDTVs now, not SDTVs.

My biggest problem so far is that I've been playing Bully and keep expecting things to work the same way.

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Re: All things GTA4 (Merged threads)

Postby lowbart » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:18 pm UTC

Is it possible to drive while drunk in the game? By "possible to drive", I mean, can you get in the car and make the car move (rather than driving effectively), and by "drunk", I mean solidly wasted.

Edit: It sounds like a stupid question, but from the couple of things I've heard about trying to walk home, and what that one person said that I can't read because the thread review is mysteriosly missing, it sounds kinda like you're not allowed somehow. Which wouldn't be that surprising to me, since in the USA, people get as freaked out about drunk driving as they do about child prawnography.
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