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Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:34 pm UTC

ITT: We conquer or get conquered.

Play roster, in order:
henre: Russia/Peter (GMT +2)
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bigstrat2003: Germany/Frederick (GMT -6 - Is this right? Not sure which CST you refer to...)
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Jack Saladin: Japan/Tokugawa (GMT +12)
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Soralin: America/Washington (GMT -8)
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bigglesworth: Arabia/Saladin (GMT)
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Map size: Medium.
Map type: Continents.
Climate: Temperate.
Sea level: Low.
Era: Ancient.
Speed: Normal.

Settings: All default settings; all victory conditions enabled. Turn-based.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Phen » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:51 pm UTC

henre wrote:ITT: We conquer or get conquered.

Current roster:
bigstrat2003
Kizyr
henre
bigglesworth
Phen

Shout if you're someone else and you want to join.

I suggest we play the following; if anyone wishes to change something, feel free to suggest it.
Map size: Small.
Map type: Fractal. (I like randomness.) Otherwise we can go Shuffle... It chooses between the best map types anyway.
Climate: Temperate.
Sea level: Low? Or what do you guys think?
Era: Ancient! Duh
Speed: Here you guys will need to speak up. I play Normal almost exclusively but would not be terribly averse to slowing it down a notch.

Settings: Should I enable Permanent Alliances and City Flipping After Conquest? (The latter is enabled in the default single-player game, right?) The rest I'm not touching. And all victory conditions remain enabled.

I've never tried fractal, so I don't know about that. I like some sea, but I've never played much around those settings. I vote no to permanent alliances and... City flipping after conquest is just that it can revert because of insufficient culture, isn't it? I'm a fan of that.

I still need my cd, so I havn't been able to get the latest patch for the expansions... But I'm thinking maybe it doesn't affect the vanilla version? If so, I'll go see if I can find a no-cd patch for vanilla.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby bigglesworth » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:59 pm UTC

I tend to prefer things like Continents, but I can play Fractal fine. And over email, Normal speed is best I think.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:29 pm UTC

Fractal maps are basically really, really, really random. You could end up with loads of little islands; or you could end up with one huge mass snaking back and forth across the globe, and a second continent with just one civ on it. It's sort of like it's generating every tile one by one with no regard to what kind of landmass it should end up with. If you want, we could go with medium sea level.

You're right, bigglesworth, Normal speed is probably best since this kind of thing drags out... The reason I prefer Fractal over Continents is because the civ distribution over land is random, whereas with Continents, you know there's 0-2 guys on your landmass, and that there's a second landmass with another 1-3 civs on it. It's just too predictable... I don't mind playing Continents but then I don't want to know that it is Continents. Hence my Shuffle idea. But it seems both you guys would prefer not to play Fractal, so I guess we make it Continents then?

EDIT: Phen, I think the patch most likely does affect Vanilla because it tweaks a billion little things, and it's changed techs like Horseback Riding and Mathematics in game-altering ways.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby kha-khees » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:06 am UTC

Hmm, I don't think I could keep up a play by email game for that long, or I'd join in. :(

But if anyone would like to organise a time for a regular game online (any version, vanilla, warlords, BTS) pm me for xfire/msn and we'll see if we can work around timezone differences. :)

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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Kizyr » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:16 am UTC

All right, I'm in! I do have some responses, though:

henre wrote:Map size: Small.
Map type: Fractal. (I like randomness.) Otherwise we can go Shuffle... It chooses between the best map types anyway.
Climate: Temperate.
Sea level: Low? Or what do you guys think?
Era: Ancient! Duh.
Speed: Here you guys will need to speak up. I play Normal almost exclusively but would not be terribly averse to slowing it down a notch.
Settings: Should I enable Permanent Alliances and City Flipping After Conquest? (The latter is enabled in the default single-player game, right?) The rest I'm not touching. And all victory conditions remain enabled.


Map size: (Agreed) Small if only 5 players, but medium if 6-8 players.
Map type: Continents. Sorry, but most of the time Fractal ends up being like a giant scattered archipelago, so it tips the scales too strongly towards naval power (without any way of forming contiguous empires, or using land power to compensate for a middling navy).
Climate: (Agreed) Temperate is probably the best.
Sea level: Medium if you do continents. But, it tends to make a very small difference, I think.
Era: (Agreed) Ancient!
Speed: (Agreed) Normal
Settings: No permanent alliances, and allow city flipping after conquest (if that's the default for single-player games).

The only thing I feel strongly about is the map type. Otherwise I'm pretty flexible (and somewhat flexible on map type). KF
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:37 pm UTC

We still need bigstrat2003 to confirm that he's in, or someone else to join (I don't think we should play with less than 5).

However, the rest of us can decide on leaders so long. (That is how it works, right? Like, there's no way for us to choose our leaders without each other's knowledge. Right?)
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:42 pm UTC

I asked on Civ Fanatics, and they say City Flipping After Conquest is not turned on. Turning it on would mean that cities can peacefully and instantly revert to their original civ, as opposed to going through revolt and damaging the city (which is what they do in the default game).
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:49 pm UTC

Wait, Phen, why do you need the CD to patch the game? :? Can't you just download the patch and execute it?
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Phen » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:50 pm UTC

henre wrote:I asked on Civ Fanatics, and they say City Flipping After Conquest is not turned on. Turning it on would mean that cities can peacefully and instantly revert to their original civ, as opposed to going through revolt and damaging the city (which is what they do in the default game).

... And how does that work? Randomly?
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby bigglesworth » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:52 pm UTC

Depends on city culture.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:04 pm UTC

Phen wrote:
henre wrote:I asked on Civ Fanatics, and they say City Flipping After Conquest is not turned on. Turning it on would mean that cities can peacefully and instantly revert to their original civ, as opposed to going through revolt and damaging the city (which is what they do in the default game).

... And how does that work? Randomly?

The former happens if you capture a city that is drowning in enemy culture and you do not garrison enough troops in it to suppress revolt.

The latter happens if a city you control, but did not just capture, is drowning in rival culture and you do not garrison enough troops in it to suppress revolt.

In both instances, it has a % chance per turn to revolt, which you can view by opening the city screen and hovering the mouse over the population culture bar thing at the bottom left (where it says 83% Japanese 17% Chinese or whatever). If it doesn't say anything about "chance to revolt" then the chance is 0.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby bigglesworth » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:50 pm UTC

If you have enough troops, the city will ask you politely instead.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:29 am UTC

We should all decide on our civs and leaders.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby bigstrat2003 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:57 am UTC

Yeah, I'm in. Lemme look what civs are in vanilla civ again, I'll edit my post with what I want to pick. The rules look fine, and I don't care about maps, really. A map is a map.

Edit: Mmmmm, I guess I'll go for Germans, Frederick as leader.

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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby bigglesworth » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:02 am UTC

I want Saladin of the Arabians.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Phen » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:20 pm UTC

I just got home from my second exam in three days, so I need a little time to recover. I can't even decide who to play :D
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:26 pm UTC

Haha, sucks to be you. I just spoke to Kizyr and he said he'll choose his civ/leader today, so that just leaves you, Phen (if you manage to get your game patched).
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Phen » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:39 pm UTC

I have no idea who the good ones are anymore, anyhow.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:07 pm UTC

The Wheel and Agriculture are the most expensive starting techs.

Philosophical and Financial are widely considered two of the most powerful traits.

Praetorians, Redcoats, Cossacks, Quechuas, Immortals, Keshiks, and War Chariots are often considered powerful unique units.

Remember: Vanilla has no unique buildings.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:08 pm UTC

I could put you on random civ/leader.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Phen » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:51 pm UTC

As usual, the patching process doesn't quite work. I press the button and it won't let me go back to the main menu because the patch is being applied. But even after waiting an hour, nothing has happened. I'll try getting into the game and then seeing if I can remove the no-cd patch while the program is running.

I'm getting my cd back later tonight.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:00 pm UTC

You could always try and download the patch from their website and run it from outside the game... it's how I did it.

If you get Error Loading Shader Libraries when running the game after patching, search google for "d3dx9_31.dll", download, and put it in your Civ folder.

If you get an error saying something about d3dx9_32.dll, search google for that file, download, and put it in your Civ folder.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Kizyr » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:06 pm UTC

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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Jack Saladin » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:52 pm UTC

I might play. I'll need to see if I can find my CIV discs, install it, successfully patch it, etc etc.

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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:08 pm UTC

Cool. :) It would be nice if you could sort that out within the next 24 hours... Want to get this show on the road. :twisted:
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:27 pm UTC

Haha, wow, three Philosophical leaders... Great People everywhere. :D
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Phen » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:41 am UTC

I didn't get my cd. D: And I won't have a chance to get it until sunday, so I guess I'm out.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:45 am UTC

Well I think we're going to wait for Jack Saladin to confirm whether he's in or out anyway, so maybe you still have some time... :)

EDIT: Unless everyone else wants to get started right away. So how about it?
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby bigglesworth » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:58 am UTC

I want to wait at least a day for Jack.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:48 pm UTC

Same. Give it a day or two, then... If the others start complaining then we launch.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Kizyr » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:53 pm UTC

Festina lente, amici. The last time we started up a PBEM, Vaniver rightly pointed out that given a game that's likely to last months, waiting a day or two for an additional person to join is more reasonable than rushing things. KF
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby bigstrat2003 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:59 pm UTC

Let's wait until Monday, then start. Phen is hopefully going to get his disc on Sunday, and should have the game ready to rock by Monday, and Jack Saladin should have confirmed if he wants to play by then.

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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:22 pm UTC

Point taken, Kizyr. So we launch on Monday, then?

...I can't wait to annihilate you all. :twisted:

EDIT: And you whipper-snappers might want to refamiliarise yourselves with Vanilla, because things might go really badly for you otherwise. :P
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby bigstrat2003 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:03 pm UTC

Pfffft. I expect to get obliterated no matter what. This will be my first game with an actual human player, not to mention that I'm not even stellar against the computer. I anticipate a lot of "learn by failure" here. :P

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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby henre » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:27 pm UTC

Well what's the highest level you can consistently win at? (And the rest of you guys?) I'm a Noble player and I'm pretty good there, but the moment I move up to Prince I get fucking slaughtered. Then again, Noble -> Prince is the biggest difficulty leap, so I don't feel too bad. :) It's been a while since I've tried Prince... I think after I finish (win) my current game as Peter, I'll give Prince a try again.

Anyway if I know what level everybody is I can dispense tips to anyone who's poorer than I am at the game while simultaneously making sure they're not tips that would be of use to someone better than me. :P hahaha

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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Jack Saladin » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:01 pm UTC

If we're starting on Monday I'll definitely be able to get set up over the weekend. I'll be Tokugawa (... Tokugawa's in IV, right?).

This'll be my, like, fifth Civ IV game ever. And I've never played on anything higher than the second lowest difficulty. And I've never won on anything except points and culture. So, uh, don't expect great things.

If we haven't decided on the map yet, I vote for continents.

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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Phen » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:26 pm UTC

Culture is my favorite way to win :D But human players are much more aggresive, I hear... Can't make do with just a single warrior on the capital like usual. I'm open to suggestions for which leader to pick. I'll see if I can find somewhere on the net comparing the vanilla leaders... Probably civfanatics.
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Kizyr » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:17 pm UTC

henre wrote:Point taken, Kizyr. So we launch on Monday, then?

Nemine contradicente. I'd say it seems pretty unanimous, no?

bigstrat2003 wrote:Pfffft. I expect to get obliterated no matter what. This will be my first game with an actual human player, not to mention that I'm not even stellar against the computer. I anticipate a lot of "learn by failure" here.

Quae nocent, saepe docent. I'd recommend playing through a game or two at a difficulty level higher than you normally play, and just try to survive.

henre wrote:Anyway if I know what level everybody is I can dispense tips to anyone who's poorer than I am at the game while simultaneously making sure they're not tips that would be of use to someone better than me. hahaha

I usually play at Warlord, though I've tried higher a few times. KF
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Re: Civilization IV Vanilla PBEM

Postby Soralin » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:30 pm UTC

I'll join in if there's still spots open. :)

I'll take Catherine/Russia or Washington/America.

I've won a couple of times on immortal on really good starts, sometimes on emperor, and most of the time on monarch, although I usually play on marathon speed, which I think makes it a bit easier against the AI. Although I haven't played any games with human players before.


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