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Re: League of Legends

Postby Goldstein » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:38 pm UTC

Ah, the old Whatever build.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:43 pm UTC

Skill key W or 2nd skill and skill key E, third skill, is what he means I think.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Goldstein » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:45 pm UTC

Oh, right. Good. That's much easier to deal with than trying to figure out why Wit's End is good for obtaining gold.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Windowlicker » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:09 pm UTC

I smartcast everything.. occasionally I'll swap back to normal cast if I'm playing a new champ, but as soon as I get a feel for the ranges I'm back to smart. I played one game as Brand with Q,E and R as smartcast and W as normal.. I missed so many pillars in that game, having to click again makes everything feel so slow.

Jesse: With Ashe, I think the general skill order is R->W->Q->E. You'll generally want to pick up one level in E somewhere between levels 5 and 10 to scout for ganks, but leave it there until everything else is maxed. The gold is not really too big of a deal in pvp games, and the damage/utility of the slows from W and Q are way, way more useful. Her recommended items look alright, it's a fair build. I'd probably swap out infinity edge for a bloodthirster, and you might want to change the boots for merc treads depending on the team you're facing.
Other than that.. if you're content playing against bots, I'd just suggest playing in every different lane for practice. You've probably noticed, but the bots will always line up the same way: you'll always have ryze/annie in the middle, mf/soraka/taric/(ashe? I can't remember the other AD bot) will always be top, etc. Play against all of them to get the experience of fighting everything. Other than that.. yeah, try some normals. It.. really changes the way you'll look at the game.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Mavketl » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:33 pm UTC

Jesse:
Windowlicker wrote:... and you might want to change the boots for merc treads depending on the team you're facing.
This! Once you start playing normals (which you can do at low levels really, there's no need to level up a lot through bot games if you're getting bored of them), you really learn how to pick your items depending on the enemy team. I think once you have a basic grasp of the game mechanics and one or two champions, you will progress faster by playing normals than by perfecting your last-hitting techniques against bots for another 5 levels. :)
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Re: League of Legends

Postby hatten » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:49 am UTC

The build used on high elo for ashe is generally:
dorans blade, berserker greaves, maybe some more dorans blade if you're doing bad, BF sword into infinity edge, zeal into PD. Negatron cloak somewhere in here into banshee when needed, or quicksilver sashe, another phantom dancer.

Ashe is so squishy that you will get burst down if you're caught, no matter if you got merc's or berserkers greaves. Positioning is the key.
Infinity edge works soooo good together with her passive, other ad carries may get a BT instead, but for ashe IE is pretty much a must.

Note, just because the pro's use it doesn't mean that it's the optimal build at whatever elo you're at. And if they do have a crapton of cc merc is very good.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Windowlicker » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:42 am UTC

Oh yeah I forgot her passive, that's a good point. But I hate hate hate playing AD without a reasonable amount of lifesteal (that is, more than a doran's gives), so I'd probably grab a vampiric scepter in there anyway. It's only 450g, after all.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Vapour » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:00 pm UTC

For Ashe, I tend to get Executioners Calling, life steal and crit to go with IE.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby hatten » Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:34 pm UTC

Oh yeah, I guess that in lower elo where tanks (if you have them) not always do their job, so a little tankiness/lifesteal could go a long way. Starting out with a wriggle's is an alternative, as is getting a Bloodthirster instead of a infinity edge. Of course you could always get the odd scepter or executioner's calling, at least if you have some problems with sustaining bruisers (which there are a lot of atm).

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Lostdreams » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:02 pm UTC

I've lost every single game for the last 2 days. Every single time we have either a troll, a leaver, or both.

My last game yesterday(as Blitzcrank) was with a Catarina, Nidalee, Ezreal, and Garen. Nid and Cat said they wanted to lane together, then Garen and Ezreal said they would as well. There was no way I was going to mid Blitz against a Xerath, not only am I supposed to be in a double but I'd never get close enough to grab, ever. After telling them this, instead of putting Ezreal or Nidalee mid, they decide that Garen and Cat will double mid. So I end up solo bottom vs Sona and Jax, getting kills where I can and being killed by their jungling Shako after getting no support from anyone. Then the Ezreal goes AFK the first third of the game and the Nidalee who is solo top proceeds to feed singed. I tried a 20 minute surrender but every time two voted no so I'm pretty sure I got trolled. Game lasted 38 minutes and the opposing team lost 2 towers.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Vapour » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:15 pm UTC

Played as Garen vs Le Blanc in mid last night.

Fun lane, everytime le Blanc would combo me. I'd either take the combo and lose about a fifth, or I'd get Q active before she silenced me and return the pain tenfold. For most of the laning phase, I had more armour pen then she had armour.

Won the game, ended up like 19/6/9.

Atmogs, Bloodthirster, movement 3 boots, thornmail and Last Whisper. I was a monster and would have people leaving the lane the moment they saw me :(

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Lostdreams » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:02 pm UTC

What runes/masteries do you use? I was thinking of trying Garen soon as he costs so little nowadays.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:27 pm UTC

The standards should work fine - ms quints (or flat health), arpen reds, armor or dodge yellows, mr/lvl blues. Garen is beastly, but a good LB would never have let you hit her. If she couldn't get her timing and spacing right on Q->W's, she should be able to just pelt you with ranged attacks and q/e whenever you tried to get near her, w'ing away if you get too close. It's certainly not her ideal matchup, she'd much rather have someone squishy who she can pop left and right, but there's no reason a lb shouldn't beat out a garen early game. Atmogs is always dirty when you're doing well. I love getting it on lee sin. He gets way too tanky to be dealing that much damage.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Vapour » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:47 pm UTC

Yeah, got atmogs because I felt like being a bitch.

I'm using Arp Reds/Quints, Armour yellows and CDR blues.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Adacore » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:42 pm UTC

What's the logic against doubling mid, by the way? I always thought that would be more sensible than double bottom, but I assume I'm missing something.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Vapour » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:47 pm UTC

Usually a bit silly to have 1 v 2 at bot. Lets the double have easier access to dragon. Take one from the top.

Reasons can be to fuck with the other team. Go against the norm to confuse people who can't adapt.

Which is why people who go anti meta can do well against the meta. *Not always, does also depend on their skill levels.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:55 pm UTC

Yeah, it's a novelty tactic. You can't take one from the top if you have a jungler, and taking one from the bottom loses some control of dragon. The other big problem with adding one to the mid from bot is that your bot is likely to get zoned whereas your mid can probably stay within range without much trouble due to the shortened lane. If the mid has some decent poke he'll be able to continue to farm fairly well too, and the 2 in mid will be forced to overextend themself (open to gank) if they have any hope of making it worthwhile for them to both be there.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby BlackSails » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:01 pm UTC

Taking 1 from bot and putting it in mid does not lose all that much control of dragon. Yes bottom is closer than mid, but not a huge amount. If the guy you take from bot and put in mid is fast, he can get there the same time as bot (like say, yi, rammus, nid after level 6, etc)

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:07 pm UTC

Yeah, I'd say the dragon thing is minimal (compared to the 1 top or 1 bot decision), the main detractor is the lane size and the fact that you are losing more in bot than you are gaining in mid. If you're going against someone who is unable to adapt in mid and have someone trustworthy on your team who can handle a 1v2 bot, you might be ok, but again if you're organized enough to try to make it work, you're better off not doing it. If you're doing it for fun/novelty, go for it, it's certainly not an autoloss, but I do believe it will lose you more games than it wins. If the other team is using a legit team comp, and you have a ranged ad + support bot, they are going to manhandle your 1v2er with the larger bot lane though, no matter who it is.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby ProZac » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:24 pm UTC

The only time I've ever seen 2 mid was when the team was arguing over who got that lane (twice my team, once the enemy) and it *always* worked out. If your mid isn't prepared/ready to go 2v1, and your team doesn't adapt, they're just going to take mid like it's nothing. Confusion/Chaos can be a powerful thing.

Speaking of alternate strategies, I had a game last night with an easy 5v4 win in Dominion. I accepted my easy win, though that always sucks for the other team. Sure enough though, the next game I played one of our players DC'd at the start. I was able to convince our team that we stood no chance in a 3v4 at top, and 3 of us went straight for the enemy BoT while 1 defended our mid. We held our 3 and were able to keep them for a bit until our 5th reconnected after a couple minutes. Is the first time I've ever seen a team with more than a couple seconds of d/c win Dominion. Kept my win streak going as well, as I've 8 consecutive Dominion wins now. Most of those are with Yorick, who I've been loving and may have to pick up at week's end.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby rigwarl » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:31 pm UTC

My "tryhard" team is doing very well on the arranged ladder running the old school solo all 3 lanes with a dedicated roamer/ganker who is usually level 2 by the time everyone else is 6. I'm not sure if it's actually a superior strategy, but we definitely beat a lot of teams we'd lose to if we played standard simply because they don't know how to deal with it.

The best team I've ever had the fortune to play against was TeamLiquid (besides maybe compLexity), they ran Alistar/Nunu/Janna pretty much constantly roaming with only a dedicated laner in 2 of the 3 lanes.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby PeteP » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:26 pm UTC

Regarding double mid. I have used that tactic a few times and it worked quite well , if they don't adapt their mid hero has a severe problem (someone with long range is nice for double mid, Orianna was quite nice before they nerfed her range, xerath was fun too. Stun or snare is nice too.). And since we know that we will use double mid we can pick two good solo laners for top and bot. Some teams didn't change their tactics at all which were the best games, in some games their response was quite chaotic and everyone of the opponents came mid for a while at one time or another. I think we had the most problems when our opponents reacted with double mid to our double mid.
Oh and it's nice that one can go and gank top or bot while the other holds mid.
*shrougs* But I guess which tactics work and which don't varies with the skill level of you opponents.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Adacore » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:35 am UTC

PeteP wrote:Oh and it's nice that one can go and gank top or bot while the other holds mid.

That's the big advantage I was seeing in double mid as opposed to double bot. You have pretty much equal dragon control to double bot, but it's much easier to help out / gank top, and you give the jungler better support in the top half of the jungle. The length of lane thing is a significant factor, though, I don't think I was giving it enough weight - there's a lot more space between the towers at top/bot than there is mid.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Drumheller769 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:04 pm UTC

So I started playing AD Sion on Dominion..yea...I have won 8/8 games with him. Once I hit level 12ish...and have certain items, I can usually solo any 3 of the other team with my ult on, as long as there isnt too much CC.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Marbas » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:48 pm UTC

Regarding double mid. I have used that tactic a few times and it worked quite well , if they don't adapt their mid hero has a severe problem


Whenever people try to run double mid on us, we either send a strong 2v1 mid, or just send two strong laners mid and do some swaps.

Then we make fun of them in all chat and skype for the rest of the game.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby PeteP » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:08 pm UTC

Regarding the making fun. In one double mid game their mid hero started to do that when he already had horrible stats and his team was already clearly losing, it was quite hilarious.^^

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:46 am UTC

Sigh @ solo Q ranked...I broke my rule...dont pick heroes because someone wants you to....dont do it for the 'team'.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Phrozt » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:41 pm UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:Sigh @ solo Q ranked...I broke my rule...dont pick heroes because someone wants you to....dont do it for the 'team'.


Nope. That's the worst idea ever. Not only do you end up failing, you end up getting reported for feeding or assisting the other team because your team made you pick something you're not good with over something you are good with.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby BlackSails » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:10 pm UTC

I just played xerath for the first time yesterday, and im really confused why every xerath ive ever seen has gone at least 0/8.

I was laning against karthus, and every time he came in to landmine me, i would e->q him with w as he came in, then use the speed boost to dodge. The only time things got dicy in lane is when he managed to wall me just before he hit 6. I managed to b with his ult in progress, and lived with very little hp while at the fountain.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby eeris » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:31 pm UTC

From my relatively few times playing against xerath... he seems to struggle against champs with high mobility. Karthus is pretty slow and needs to get relatively close to do max damage.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Drumheller769 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:33 pm UTC

Yea, anyone with low range/mobility is gonna get rocked by him hands down.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Phrozt » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:30 pm UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:Yea, anyone with low range/mobility is gonna get rocked by him hands down.


Sounds like they just need to call the scooter store.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby PeteP » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:08 pm UTC

I played with Karthus against Xerath and yeah with someone as slow as Karthus it's just much harder to dodge the attacks.
But anyway I think Xerath isn't bad at the beginning in the laning phase, but I haven't seen one yet who wasn't weak during the endgame.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Drumheller769 » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:59 am UTC

So for the past 3-4 days in at least half of my dominion games I have been getting ridiculous lag spikes....upwards of 16000ms, is it me or the servers, this didn't happen before this week?
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Re: League of Legends

Postby BlackSails » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:28 pm UTC

Just watched a xerath start with blue crystal, no pots. We all told him to get pots.

He went to mid, died twice to soraka. At 12 minutes in, soraka had >90cs, xerath had 30.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Drumheller769 » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:00 pm UTC

Did anyone else randomly get an IP Boost this weekend. I logged in on Sunday and had 1 for double IP gain for 10 wins.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:13 pm UTC

Yep, when you randomly get some free sweet boostings, generally check the news page and you'll see what's going on.

New guy seems pretty cool, played one all bots to check his skills and one game to see what he's really like. Interesting mix of a ranged dpser wanting to be in close (basically melee) range.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Vapour » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:01 pm UTC

The 10 win IP boost was for League of Legends winning best 'free to play game'* in the Golden Joysticks.

*I think it was this category

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Lostdreams » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:24 pm UTC

Surprise party Fiddlesticks is coming, I can't wait!
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:27 pm UTC

Serious?! I'm not on the site atm but that thread was epic. If they do everything from it that skin will be incredible. I might have to make my first legendary skin purchase...


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