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Re: League of Legends

Postby ProZac » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:29 pm UTC

Weeks wrote:Hey Jayce, POWER SLAM

I heard about this, but have yet to actually hear it. Can't wait for the opportunity (even though there's few cases where I'd probably want to ult Jayce).

I did pick her up, but it seems like a crapload of people did. I played about 5 games in 3's last night with a Vi on each team (granted... I was Vi every one of those). She can definitely jungle in 3's effectively! The one thing I didn't like is that she was exceedingly reliant on autos for all damage. Her Q is "utility with a side of damage" and outside of her ult then, everything is an auto attack modifier. I wasn't using my ult except as an initiate or to chase down runners, so I really didn't feel like I had much to do in a team fight but auto.

I also noticed she has a boatload of jokes as well. At least 5 different lines, though some are similiar: "I like your smile, [it gives me something to aim at/it makes a nice target]. It makes me sad the all the old champions only have one line. And then there's Rammus, but he's ... ok.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby 3fj » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:55 pm UTC

ProZac wrote:
Weeks wrote:Hey Jayce, POWER SLAM

The one thing I didn't like is that she was exceedingly reliant on autos for all damage. Her Q is "utility with a side of damage" and outside of her ult then, everything is an auto attack modifier. I wasn't using my ult except as an initiate or to chase down runners, so I really didn't feel like I had much to do in a team fight but auto.

You need to bear in mind that her skills apply a stack of Vault Breaker too, but yeah. I keep forgeting to time the gauntlets so that they reset her auto-timer.

I built her without attack speed and with just tankiness and damage in mind, but then between every third punch then you're working at just surviving at being a pain in the ass. Something like Wit's End would work wonders on her, and I have to imagine any on-hit build would be nice if you get some form of tank gear to bolster that up.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby ProZac » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:20 pm UTC

Not entirely. E doesn't apply Denting Blows. Just the side effect of it being an AA, AoE'd targets don't get a stack. I would think AS would be great on her because of the % health on W, but AS is kinda hard to work into the bruiser build unless you build Wit's End or Trinity.

I was rushing Frozen Mallet, same as I do on Shyvana. Great for early tankiness (especially with her passive) and gives you the much needed "stick to them permanently".

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Weeks » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:48 pm UTC

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Re: League of Legends

Postby BlackSails » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:18 am UTC

Does tiamat proc denting blows?

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Kag » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:14 pm UTC

Nope. Tiamat applies zero on-hit effects. Hydra can do lifesteal, but that's it.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby BlackSails » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:19 pm UTC

Im pretty sure tiamat procs black cleaver at least, since it procs on all physical damage, no?

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Re: League of Legends

Postby ProZac » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:17 pm UTC

I can't confirm, but that would make sense. Black cleaver isn't an "on hit" effect. It's an "on physical damage" effect, which means it can proc via spells and AAs.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby emceng » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:35 pm UTC

Ok, what single champ do you hate playing against? For me it is Darius. I hate laning against him, and in team fights he has a million hp, and his ult crushes people. His grab pulls you away from towers, and it just seems like he does a ton of damage and is still pretty tanky. I lose almost every game I play against him. Even games where we have a Darius, or where I don't lane against him. He gets fed, top sucks, then he rampages across the board.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Weeks » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:38 pm UTC

For the moment, it's Yorick bot in Dominion, because if he gets a gank and I don't he wins.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Aaeriele » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:43 pm UTC

3fj wrote:
emceng wrote:Dominion feels like if you had a decent team that queued together, you could just steamroll the competition.

Kinda like classic and 3v3 then? ;)

Really the only place that isn't true is ARAMs.


True for ARAMs as well, unless you get a really terrible random.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby ProZac » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:07 pm UTC

I went through phases of champs I hate. When I started playing, it was Fiddlesticks. 3 year long ranged fear, massive damage that also heals him, and a flash ult so he appears out of fricking nowhere to murder you. Then I started playing him, learned a bit more about him, and lost my hate.

Then came Singed. He's impossible to kill, impossible to chase/catch, can turn on you easily if you're out of position, always pushes lanes so you have to push back hard, and tower dives/creates fights for his team like nobody's business. Then I started playing him, stopped trying to fight him unless I knew we could kill him quick and stopped hating him.

Then came Shaco, who I believe is the definition of anti-fun. He can set up traps that kill you without him even being there. He's (almost) guaranteed to get a kill at level 2, which he will then use to snowball every single lane. You never feel safe in the jungle if he's there, because you know you can't fight him in a duel and win. He'll just hop over a wall, with his FLASH STEALTH and get away! Same for trying to catch him out. I still hate Shaco.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby BlackSails » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:25 pm UTC

Malphite.

He is immune to harass, he has a strong, long ranged poke that slows you and speeds him, he gets damage from his armor, he slows your attack, his ult is ridiculous initiation/escape.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Drumheller769 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:38 pm UTC

Draven, if he has any kind of support he cant be dueled in bot lane.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby faranim » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:58 pm UTC

I usually hate any champion which I have never played. Once I play a champion, I don't lose as badly to them and stop hating them. There are still exceptions.

List of champions that I hate and have never played:
1. Fizz (untargetable ?!@#)
2. Le Blanc (too many teleports, I have no idea how to target her)
3. Singed (tralala let me walk around and spread poison and toss you, then fully heal with my ultimate)

I also hate good Shaco players, even though I am also decent with Shaco.

In general, champions which are really good at escaping with a sliver of health left and then killing you (I had a recent game in Dominion bot lane against an Urgot which did this, and also champs like Xerath, Lux, Nidalee, Ezrael). I don't necessarily mind laning against these champs, it's just really damn annoying when you get them down to double-digit HP but can't kill them off.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Thadlerian » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:44 am UTC

Any champion that turns invisible or otherwise untargetable, while still hitting you. Any champion with flash-like escape mechanisms.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Metaphysician » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:07 am UTC

All I really play are AP and Support, so as an AP I would have to say Fizz is my least favorite because while I rarely die in laning phase even against Fizz or Le Blanc, they just make laning miserable. As support I don't really fear single champions as much as I do champ combos. The only combos I really fear is Leona+ezreal/graves/corki because it's just so much burst damage or nunu+kog maw/cait/vayne because blood boil is so good on all of them.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Lostdreams » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:11 pm UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:Draven, if he has any kind of support he cant be dueled in bot lane.

Metaphysician wrote: Leona+ezreal/graves/corki


As someone who enjoys playing support main, I find Draven/Leona to be devastating. Un/Fortunately, people have yet to figure out the combo can all-in pretty much any other lane configuration at level 2 (3 if you want to be safe about it). People need to play Draven.

On a side note: Am I the only support that, if blue team, encourages the adc to wait in the river bush for bad adcs to come down river after first blue? I have had so many first bloods from that.
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Postby Christophoros » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:16 pm UTC

Lostdreams wrote:On a side note: Am I the only support that, if blue team, encourages the adc to wait in the river bush for bad adcs to come down river after first blue? I have had so many first bloods from that.

This is why I never come down the river any more, unless both bot laners are visible. I've caught L2 jungle Shaco there more often than I can count.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby emceng » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:05 pm UTC

Learned something new yesterday - the base turret for the spawn point attacks you if you are damaging champs on the steps, not just if you move onto the steps. Reasonable I guess. I also managed to get a double kill with Swain with both champs on the steps. It was against easy bots, but still... Also think that may be my new play style. Fuck pvp. Too many people being jerks, and playing bots lets me watch TV and not have to be on the ball every second.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Weeks » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:44 pm UTC

Just bought Wukong

Time to go APESHIT

My build with him for Dominion is Ionian's, Prospector's Blade, Brut -> Youmuu, Brut -> Black Cleaver, Last Whisper, then I run out of ideas for last item, though I hear Maw of Malmortius is pretty good and I should get a hexdrinker for clutch situations.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Drumheller769 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:59 pm UTC

Dominion, you can either go so Tanky that you can tank 5v1 or just get TONS OF DAMAGE. Ive found those to be working strategies. Also, Ive come out of my slump and gained back my 200 ELO playing support, horray!
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Weeks » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:17 pm UTC

4 win streak with Wukong after a long time without a winning streak, he is so awesome.

Almost always need the hexdrinker. This has taught me a valuable lesson: get hexdrinker more.

BTW There's so many Teemos and Nidalees now it's crazy
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Ixtellor » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:59 pm UTC

Played my first 4 ranked games. (SR)

The skill level in those games is pathetic and extremely sad.
In 2 games we rolled them so hard it was a joke, in 2 games we got rolled.

In one loss our bottom was Taric/Ashe verus Ashe/Vayne and they died 5 times within 5 mins. They of course blamed me (Jungle Yi) because they said they can't be expected to hold bottom without constant ganks. By the 8th min they lost TWO bottom towers as I was busy trying to help my 0-4 top with ZERO map awareness.

Needless to say none of the games were fun because of the insanly poor skill levels of multiple people. (I went support Volibear one game and had 4 kills by the 10 mark inspite of trying not to KS)
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:06 pm UTC

Wow, yeah, the job of a jungler is to constantly gank all lanes while clearing your own and your opponents jungle and soloing dragon and baron as soon as they're up. If you can't play jungle GTFO n00b. Seriously, if you're not constantly ganking all lanes, how can you expect them not to die a ton of times 2v2?

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Drumheller769 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:09 pm UTC

Your ranked placement matches are going to be the most random you will ever play, its absurd. Youll get people who are at 1200 and have like 500 ranked wins, or 0 ranked wins. Then you get trolls/people who dont care. And if you end up negative from your placement matches, its a kicking and clawing fight to get above 1200. Now saying that I have gone from 1200 to 1400 3 times and it usually takes me about 30-40 games to get there. But at some point, people mostly get their heads screwed on straight, around 1300 i'd say, and you get at least decent team comp.....even if they people themselves might not be good players.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Weeks » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:02 pm UTC

I had *another* 4 win streak as Wukong. I love that monkey.

Is it just me or is Gangplank not that good in Dominion? Or like, ANYWHERE?
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:21 pm UTC

I enjoy gangplank in dominion, but he's a little underwhelming. I don't think he's BAD per se, he's just not quite as good as other similar options. I haven't seen him in SR in a long time.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Weeks » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:35 pm UTC

For the map presence and for a bruiser I generally think Pantheon is much better. I haven't seen a tanky support GP in ages, which I believe is/was good at some point.
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Postby Adacore » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:00 am UTC

I've never seen Gangplank played and thought him anything but underwhelming. I really don't understand what some players see in him.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby BlackSails » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:00 am UTC

He is one of the best kiters/persuers in the game.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:08 pm UTC

Adacore wrote:I've never seen Gangplank played and thought him anything but underwhelming. I really don't understand what some players see in him.


So you DID think he was underwhelming.

Yeah, his built in slow and speed boost, on top of his rapid fire Q's are nice. If he sticks on you, it's really hard to get away, though he needs to stick on you first, which isn't always easy, and if you're building tanky to be able to do that, you won't be doing much damage. I still think it's just a matter of, he's pretty playable, he just gets outshined in the roles he can do by other champions.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby emceng » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:37 pm UTC

Ok, do they ever give out free champs? Like, to keep? I have Kayle, and I know I didn't buy him. Only played him about 3 times when he was free, sucked with him, and decided never to use him again. But it shows I own him.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:40 pm UTC

Sometimes they give out skins for various reasons. If you got a free skin, it gives you that champion too. You probably got the judgment kayle skin for a season ender reward in first season.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby emceng » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:47 pm UTC

Intrigued wrote:Sometimes they give out skins for various reasons. If you got a free skin, it gives you that champion too. You probably got the judgment kayle skin for a season ender reward in first season.



Ahh, thanks. I'll check when I get home, but that makes sense.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:51 pm UTC

This also works for any online code type skins or similar, like how you could get the riot girl tristana skin on facebook (I'm guessing you still can, but I don't know), no reason for anyone to spend ip/rp on trist. Alienware gives stuff out every once in a long while too. I got chogath free that way. I also got vlad free for entering a carved pumpkin in one of their contests and selecting the nosferatu vlad skin (woot, free 6300 ip champ + the only skin worth playing him with). I'll forever regret not picking up dr mundo in his dr mundo costume though. Sadness.

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Ixtellor » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:45 pm UTC

Played another ranked game: Enemy picked 5 AD carries, we stomped them in an extremely boring game.

Question: Is it more rewarding to just play regular or is it worth a casual gamer playing in ranked?
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:07 pm UTC

Definition of casual gamer vary wildly from person to person. I like ranked games for when I want to play "serious" and get competitive. Normals being for when you want to screw around a little, try new stuff, and not take it too seriously. You'll find people in both thinking that those ways of looking at it are wrong, but that's where I am. I will say that the handful of really great LoL games that make all the trolling worth it have all been ranked games. When you get higher ranked you start playing with more and more people who actually know how to play the game, and you slowly increase your chances of having a full set of 10 people who know how to play the game and aren't trolling. It's like some sort of crazy blood magic when that happens. Those are the games that I can walk out of with a loss and still be really happy that I played them. Again, YMMV.

Lately, I prefer dominion for a more lighthearted romp if I'm not going to play ranked. People take SR normals too seriously imo. My theory is it has a lot to do with game length. When you spend 20-30 more minutes playing a game, you get a lot more invested in the win/loss and in the people on your team. On the other hand, a few of the people I play with have been playing with some really bad people in normals, lowering their own ranks, so when I play with them, I play people way below me. It opens up the ability to really have fun with the game when your skill level is likely going to be much higher than your opponents' (e.g. we frequently run sion + anivia botlane and just roll them).

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Weeks » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:07 pm UTC

Until Ranked Dominion rolls out, I'd ask to please not use "Oh but it's just dominion let's just have fun" as an excuse for playing badly since it ruins it for many of us who no longer or very rarely play SR.

Also apparently they are gathering more teams now for their weekly tourneys, had more than 20 last time as opposed to the usual 14 or so. They seem to be getting people from Reddit, and occasionally get guys like Chobra to cast for them. Still no Deman though =(
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Intrigued » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:39 pm UTC

1) I was talking about playing for fun on SR. 2) I don't play badly, I just don't always go all out with meta game champs and builds. I play for fun. If you're suggesting me playing the game for fun instead of constantly choosing optimal picks ruins the game for other players, then screw them.


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