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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Zohar » Sun May 15, 2016 4:32 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:But... is this the one with the "European" sphere grid and the Dark Aeons?

Apparently yes - at the beginning of the game you get to choose which sphere grid to use, and I assume Dark Aeons are part of the game as well. You also get to choose to play the original soundtrack or the arranged one, which apparently was recorded with a live orchestra and sounds pretty good.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Mon May 16, 2016 3:35 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote: Both games had long-hallways, but FFX had more variety in the hallways.
Just the real attempt to fake not being hallways makes a big difference. If a dungeon has the layout
A -> Blocked door -> A -> Ckey -> A -> B -> D -> Eoptional item -> D -> Fboss.
That layout isn't especially clever, and at the end our analysis can reduce it to a straight path. But while we're in the dungeon the part of our brain that maps thing out is engaged, if not challenged.
I realize Lightning was basically being the "stoic ex-soldier" like Cloud was... but at the same time, I never was drawn into FFVII's story either. I think that trope just doesn't work well with me.
A lot of FF's main protagonists seem intended to be blank-ish slates for the player to impose their identity upon. Cloud's emotions are supposed to be your reactions to dealing with the challenges of the game and his coming to terms with events is supposed to be the same thing as you learning them.

That said, I prefer JRPGs to have more of an ensemble tact.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby doogly » Mon May 16, 2016 6:44 pm UTC

6 was the pinnacle of achievement.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby rmsgrey » Mon May 16, 2016 9:55 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:That said, I prefer JRPGs to have more of an ensemble tact.


IX does a good job of having an ensemble with most of them having significant character growth and development - the exceptions are Quina and Amarant - the former for being comic relief; the latter for only showing up late.

Okay, Zidane and Dagger have the most investment in the main plot, but Vivi, Steiner, Eiko and Freya all have their own concerns and their own stakes in the plot.

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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby New User » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:18 pm UTC

Recently I've become very interested in playing the XIII trilogy. Has anyone played the Steam versions? Are they good ports? Worth buying? Do they ever go on sale? For that matter, how often do Square Enix products go on sale on Steam? It seems to me that they tend to lower their prices about as often as Nintendo lowers theirs, which is to say, rarely, and then only 15% off or some sale like that (whereas Steam regularly slashes prices by 40% or more during sales).

Unrelated, who's played XV? For years I would hear a tidbit here or there about the production, and I thought it seemed awful and I'd just roll my eyes. But for some reason, just a couple months before release, I found that I was suddenly feeling interested in what I was seeing. Now that it's out, I haven't seen much of the game, but from what I've seen, I want to play it. The thing is, I don't have a PS4 and don't plan on getting one. I presume that it'll eventually be ported to PC (that definitely seems to be the Square Enix trend in recent years), so I'll just wait for that.

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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Xanthir » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:43 pm UTC

I've got 15 sitting under my tree right now; I'll crack it open as soon as I finish up Paper Mario. I'm pretty excited about Car Boys: Kiss-Em-Up 15
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Zohar » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:21 pm UTC

I played all three FFXIII on PC. They all worked very well and without issues (I haven't played Lightning Returns much at all). The first is the best IMO. The second is OK, has some fun parts, makes zero sense. The third I didn't play much at all.

As for discounts, I think I actually got them for fairly cheap. Sometimes the Square Enix website has discounts Steam does not. You should always check https://isthereanydeal.com/ to look at current discounts, historic lows, etc. You can also create alerts for yourself which work reasonably well (often send too many e-mails though).
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby omgryebread » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:52 pm UTC

XV is a ridiculous amount of fun. Its in that weird spot where I won't say it's better than most others in the series, but I'm certainly enjoying it more than any other numbered one except XII.

I'm not super far in the story, especially now because I've gotten to the arena and can't stop betting on monsters.

My usual criticism for a Final Fantasy game is boring characters. I can take a crappy story with decently developed characters over even a good story with boring characters. Which is why I like XIII more than X. XV's story so far is... okay, but the characters are great. Even Cindy is pretty cool, though her visual design is horrible. Combat feels good, if really frustrating at times, and the Imperial attacks are too common. (You'll hear "Noct! Overhead" at least 2 times every time you get out of the car. Sometimes more) Speaking of the car though, it's the coolest. It basically ends up being the equivalent of XII's airship for fast travel. If you want to leave the road, you get Chocobos fairly early in the game for that. At first I didn't like that magic was basically grenades, but the first time you throw out a Thundara on a group of magitek troopers, it feels so good.

The setting and "feel" of the game, though, are what really gets to me. The banter, the scenes of them sitting around their Coleman™ tent on Coleman™ chairs, and listening to them talk about Prompto's selfies are all neat ways to make them seem like actual characters. It's also sort of like playing Final Fantasy Goes to America and that's really neat.

For reference to see where I'm coming from, my list of Final Fantasies, ranked:

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Crystal Chronicles, only because of the good times with my brother and our friends
12
Tactics
Tactics Advanced
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14
4
6
Tactics Advanced 2
15 for now anyway, haven't finished
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Dimensions
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby New User » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:11 pm UTC

Whaddaya know, the entire Final Fantasy catalog was just discounted by 50% on Steam. So I bought XIII. But now Steam is apparently totally down so I can't finish installing it.

I also might pick up Type-0 before the sale ends. Anyone played it? What do you think of it? How is the Steam port?

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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:28 pm UTC

I have type-O on stream, I keep putting off finishing it. Not in my top ten list.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby mosc » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:00 pm UTC

I can't get into FFXV. Somebody help sell me on motivating myself to put the disk in the PS4 and watch a car I'm not controlling drive around a map for 4 minutes again. I can't do it. It's an MMO I play by myself and each grind quest feels more useless than the last one. I don't understand the point of my teamates (is getting one of them to "heal" ever a thing??). I don't understand the point of magic. I don't understand why fishing is considered gameplay or why the hell I would want to fish (at least in an MMO I can sell my super-rare-fisheyes on the market for phat loot so some other subclass can use em as an ingredient). Sometimes I mash buttons when fighting. I have no idea why. The interface is terrible. Do these random attacks from the sky ever stop? Does this game ever not amount to a steaming pile of "wish I was the witcher" (which I also couldn't play)?
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Flumble » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:52 pm UTC

I can only say: if you manage to complete the game, you'll have the satisfaction of having completed an utterly tedious chore. Which would feel great, if it weren't for the fact that you volunteered for this chore and could've stopped at any point without any repercussions.
Just stop playing it if you don't like Final Fantasy Film 3: the not actually a film and about as enjoyable as Advent Children*. :wink:

Maybe not being able to drive the car is a jab at self-driving cars. Or maybe it's to inform you that, even though your character is a prince (in I think an absolute monarchy), he doesn't actually hold power. Then again, that was exemplified right from the start because your whole guard comprises 3 silly teenagers and you actually have to do chores for the plebs in order to get your car repaired. Just what kind of society thinks so lowly of their regents? :shock:


*coming from someone who barely knows the franchise. I've played a bit of FFX-2 after watching the story of FFX, but that's all.

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Postby Xanthir » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:32 pm UTC

Just to present a contrary view: it's a fun game and my wife and I are enjoying it. The combat is chaotic and interesting, the interpersonal dynamics are cute, Gladiolus is my wife's waifu, etc.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:50 pm UTC

Xanthir wrote:Just to present a contrary view: it's a fun game and my wife and I are enjoying it. The combat is chaotic and interesting, the interpersonal dynamics are cute, Gladiolus is my wife's waifu, etc.


I believe the term is "Husbando" btw.
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Postby Xanthir » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:46 pm UTC

No, he's *my* husbando.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:26 pm UTC

So, thought: what would we all expect/ hope for from a game called "Final Fantasy: Heroes of darkness"?

I have some of my own thoughts. but before I share them, I'm curious what comes to other peoples minds independently of my suggestions.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby mosc » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:29 pm UTC

Heros *FROM* the Darkness would be more typical FF language but *OF* the darkness I suppose could be implying the same thing. Are they heros because they brought light or are they heros who favor darkness? I guess I would wonder if Square was going to make a villian themed game but then just pass it off as an overly literal translation of Japanese that didn't come through with the same contextual meaning. I'd expect lightbringers, not darkness acolytes.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:55 pm UTC

I recall (perhaps incorrectly) the four heroes of darkness being mentioned in FFIII as being a previous age's heroes; the implication being that light and darkness have a natural balance.

FF has also contained a few deconstructions of their "chosen heroes" story. Examples spoilered.
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In tactics, with the hero (as history remembers it) being a tritagonist, not the protagonist.

In X, with the party ultimately breaking out of the world's cyclical messiah narrative.

In XIII, with the constant basically the entirety of society with what they were and what they did.

XIII-3's ending with lightning actually fighting the creator of the physical world.

Bravely Default: with the path to protect the nations of the world and restore light to the crystals turning out to be a mistake.
So I was kind of imagining sort of a chaotic-good thing. With the world having a conform or die attitude and holier-than-thou bad guys. Possibly with the heroes having some special darkness related ability where there about the only ones that the bad guys can't see everything they do.

Specifics that occurred to me were having entirely non-human party. Also having most of the world's population sealed in crystals, with "Images" out doing their jobs; images being sort of holograms that can act out one aspect of a person's life, but are otherwise unreal. The actual active population of the world being very small, about what you'd actually see in an RPG.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby New User » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:43 pm UTC

I think it was Final Fantasy III that had the warriors of darkness as the saviors of a previous age, who saved the world from the Light which was growing out of control. In FFV, the previous generation's heroes were called the Dawn Warriors, I believe, and it was only one generation in the past. Bartz, a Light Warrior, was the son of a Dawn Warrior.

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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:14 pm UTC

Right you are; fix'd.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Zohar » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:47 pm UTC

I don't remember if anyone mentioned the Kotaku FF retrospective here before, but it's a fun review of the FF games in order. It's been going pretty slowly, I think FFV's retrospective was released 3-4 months ago, but they just put out FFVI's. I recommend it, if you're into/interested in the older games, and obviously they're working their way towards the newer ones.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby doogly » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:40 pm UTC

Careful, they will talk about the death of Cid, and that was harsh. Harsh as all heck.
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Postby Zohar » Fri May 26, 2017 4:30 pm UTC

I WANT TO PLAY FFXII THE ZODIAC AGE BUT THEY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT RELEASING IT ON PC YET THOSE FUCKERS.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Jorpho » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:43 pm UTC

Huh, I thought FFXV was already on PC. It's good to hear about FFXII, but it would have been shocking if that didn't get ported for some reason.

Of course, there's an English patch for the PS2 version, but then you've have to have a PS2 or set up a PS2 emulator.

Now to wait for the Steam sale.

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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Zohar » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:35 pm UTC

It's already coming out with a 20% discount on the first week, so I will probably just get it on launch day.

Yeah, with the rate they've been going at porting FFXIII and FFX, I also expected it but it took longer than I thought it would. I am very pleasantly surprised about FFXV though.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Ginger » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:02 pm UTC

Final Fantasy X was so so good. Tidus advising Yuna's ladylike shy coquettish self to laugh more and they're both laughing really truly with bad acting. The revelation that a beast you fight was someone you used to know. Yuna's aeons especially Shiva. Seymour was an awful awful boring villain however. I like couldn't care less about him being a pretty pretty boy with terrible bad hair. Yuna and Rikku and Lulu were my favorite characters. Lulu's dolls to channel her magic were cutey cutey adorables. Rikku could mix items into cocktails, which was fascinating to me with her Overdrive. Tidus was a sporty dude that kicks balls around underwater. And Yuna on her pilgrimage to save the world with her aeons friends while at the same time dealing with coming of age as a woman in her own rights.
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:02 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:It's already coming out with a 20% discount on the first week, so I will probably just get it on launch day.

Yeah, with the rate they've been going at porting FFXIII and FFX, I also expected it but it took longer than I thought it would. I am very pleasantly surprised about FFXV though.


Let me know when they drop Denuvo. Without it, I'd be throwing money at the screen. As it stands...

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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby Zohar » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:17 pm UTC

Why is this an issue for you, may I ask?
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Re: Final Fantasy Omnithread - All FF, all the time.

Postby rmsgrey » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:05 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Why is this an issue for you, may I ask?


I'm opposed to DRM on general principle - at best, it has no benefit to me as a consumer; at worst, it imposes a performance cost, opens security vulnerabilities, and, in the past, some forms of DRM have caused actual hardware damage to machines.

Anything DRM can do to prevent users from circumventing it, (deliberate) malware can also do to prevent users from detecting and countering it. Not only that, but the DMCA (and derived legislation in other jurisdictions) prohibits people from publishing weaknesses in DRM, which makes it more vulnerable to attack (the people who are interested in improving system security are prohibited from sharing the information that would make it possible, while the people who are interested in compromising systems cheerfully ignore those prohibitions) - google "Sony rootkit" for a high-profile example.

There are exceptions - Steam provides useful functionality alongside its DRM - but, in general, the effect of DRM is to occasionally inconvenience legitimate users. There's no evidence it benefits sales - and in some circumstances, there's evidence that it limits them.

I also get put off purchasing games by some EULAs.


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