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Postby Twasbrillig » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:33 am UTC

To discuss the merits of said revolutionary idea, and the games encapsulated within it.

Also, I have a problem. So far I have downloaded the original Zelda and Mario, along with OoT. Now, I could either buy Link to the Past or SimCity right now. I will get both eventually, but the second game won't be 'gotten' for about a month.

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Postby chilibaka » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:41 am UTC

I have The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past on my SNES. It's a good game, a real classic.

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Postby pollywog » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:44 am UTC

The answer should be obvious. Zelda will win throughout. Forever and always.
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Postby Twasbrillig » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:45 am UTC

chilibaka wrote:I have The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past on my SNES. It's a good game, a real classic.


Yes, I used to have it. I've played through it many many times, as with SimCity.

I'm kind of leaning towards the latter right now, though.
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Postby SoapyHobo » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:08 am UTC

I'd say go with SimCity, but only because you already have Zelda games to play for now.
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Postby UmbrageOfSnow » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:11 am UTC

Twasbrillig wrote: but the second game won't be 'gotten' for about a month.

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Postby Durinthal » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:33 am UTC

I'd say Link to the Past, but I'm biased. It's still one of my favorite games of all time.

Oh, and the no-sword challenge is fun (easier in the GBA version, too).

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Postby ShadeWolf » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:37 am UTC

All Zelda games are kick ass, so go with a link to the past
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Postby SecondTalon » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:38 am UTC

Zelda.

Get SimCity for a computer, where it belongs.
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Postby TheTankengine » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:51 am UTC

Though I would love to get a few games on the ol' VC (ESPECIALLY Dragon Spirit, best game of my childhood), I have principles and I must stand by them. I do not and will not support the supreme fuckery of points for dollars.

In order to get games from the VC, I have to put in my CC number. Why do I have to put in my CC number only to receive points, and not a game? Would it really be that fucking difficult to implement a system where I just click on a game, add it to my shopping cart, then pay at the end? You may have heard of this system before, but only because that's the way the entire world does business.

Here is the basic problem:The Wii points are sold in $10 increments, and $10 increments ONLY. There is absolutely no reason for this other than Nintendo gets to scam the leftover points. It's like the delicious nacho-cheese cycle, only its not delicious, its evil.

My dilemma:I want to buy Dragon Spirit. That is to say, I want to give Nintendo my money for a game I bought 13 years ago. I played it on the NES, but for some reason they release it on VC for the Turbografx16. Now that's all fun and good, except Turbografx16 games cost 600 points. I also want to buy the original Zelda for NES. This means I need 1100 points. Should be no problem, right? I just give them my CC number and authorization for $11 and I'm gaming.

OH WAIT NO, I HAVE TO SPEND $20 TO BUY THE $11 WORTH OF GAMES THAT I WANT.

The following is a question that I want answered by Nintendo:
What the fuck?

EDIT:And I would recommend SimCity on the SNES. One of the finer versions of SimCity, IMO.
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Postby semicolon » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:56 am UTC

The whole VC thing sounded pretty cool, but then I remembered, oh yeah, roms!

It'll be cool when the Wii starts getting original downloadable content. I read something about how they're gonna start putting small indie games on the Wii to be downloaded, XBLA style.

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Postby MFHodge » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:33 pm UTC

I would buy a ton more VC games if they were about half the price they are now. The only one I have bought is Street Fighter II Turbo. And I'm a little annoyed because I got confused and thought it was Super SF2, with the four new characters. Oh well.

I would chose A Link to the Past, as I would consider that in the Top 5 Games of All Time. I have it on GBA and that is good enough for me. I had SimCity on SNES and never thought it was that great of a version of the game.

I still have a functioning NES with a ton of games (I was a collector for a while), so I doubt I'll buy many on VC.
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Postby tarkadal » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:16 pm UTC

My major problem with the VC at the moment and please, please, please correct me if I haven't being paying attention and I'm wrong, but the last I heard was that games aren't being released on VC if they weren't originally released in that territory. Being in Australia, this is a major problem, as we tend to get the brown and sticky end of the stick. They also need to get to translating some of the Japan only stuff so the rest of the world can have a go.

The rate of release is also a bit annoying, two weeks ago, we got one (1, unity, I) game released on VC. Last week they made up for it by adding the Turbografx to the list of consoles available to download for. Yes, adding, we didn't get that to start with. Something more than a trickle would be nice.

Adding the original Game Boy would be cool too.

I'm kind of with The Tankengine too. I have an unusable amount of points left at the moment, so to use them, I have to buy more points. I will eventually use them, but that isn't really the point. I suppose they went for the most user friendly option, and by that, I mean bottom of the line kid type user. Mum and Dad add some points and they can download up to that limit when they want. Still, it would be nice to have an "I'm over 18 and I can do what I want stop babying me" option.

And A Link to the Past is the king of games.
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Postby semicolon » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:38 pm UTC

tarkadal wrote:And A Link to the Past is the king of games.

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Postby MFHodge » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:59 pm UTC

The points system isn't great, but at least they didn't do that bullshit that Microsoft pulled.

500 points = $5 to Nintendo, but $6.25 to MS. Close enough to mess with your head, since most people won't bother to calculate the 20% difference. It's just in bad taste to me.
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Postby TheTankengine » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:16 pm UTC

VTHodge wrote:The points system isn't great, but at least they didn't do that bullshit that Microsoft pulled.

500 points = $5 to Nintendo, but $6.25 to MS. Close enough to mess with your head, since most people won't bother to calculate the 20% difference. It's just in bad taste to me.


In America, that's true. See here for the rest of the world.

And I still hold that dollars-for-points-for-games is ultimate fuckery.
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Postby MFHodge » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:43 pm UTC

TheTankengine wrote:In America, that's true. See here for the rest of the world.

And I still hold that dollars-for-points-for-games is ultimate fuckery.

Hadn't thought about that. But I do think that Nintendo tried to make it easy for their largest markets (US and Japan). But overall, I agree with the points system being lame.
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Postby Phenriz » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:46 pm UTC

TheTankengine wrote:And I still hold that dollars-for-points-for-games is ultimate fuckery.


Nope it's the 2nd ultimate fuckery, the first being......


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I've yet to buy a VC game for myself, i bought ToeJam and Earl for my little brother's VC. (we used to play that game ALL the time as kids)
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Postby Nomic » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:54 pm UTC

If it has Super Metroid availeable I'll buy a Wii right now. Never mind the neares place they sell em is 2 hours away!

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Postby Twasbrillig » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:34 pm UTC

Nomic wrote:If it has Super Metroid availeable I'll buy a Wii right now. Never mind the neares place they sell em is 2 hours away!


Super Metroid is planned for release but hasn't been completed yet. I'd say if you'd buy one for that reason, you have enough money to go buy one RIGHT NOW. Seriously, the Wii rocks my socks off.

Also, it seems most recommendations for Zelda have been by fanboys simply saying "Oh me yarm ZELDA BUYITBUYITBUYIT PLOX", whereas the SimCity fans have had more intellig(ent/ible) arguments. I, too, am a Zelda fanboy, but I yearn to play SimCity, as I'm playing Oot, TP, and WW right now.
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Postby Phenriz » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:41 pm UTC

Oh Resident Evil 4?

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The control scheme is hot, even though i'm not so keen that the knife swipe and reload share a very similar control mechanism. It's well executed. Quite possibly the best $30 game for the wii thus far. I'm usually a port' hater too.
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Postby Wilibus » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:58 pm UTC

I have purchased A Link to the Past twice once on the SNES and once on the GBA ... all I can say is third time is the charm.

Plus the original Sim City never really interested me, although I was all about Sim City 2000.
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Postby Nuclear Spoon » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:59 pm UTC

I have Link to the Past for a SNES emulator.

It is surprisingly difficult, Zelda 64 was a bit easier.
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Postby mrcheesypants » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:51 pm UTC

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Postby Hench » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:29 am UTC

I love me my N64 games, so I got Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, and of course, StarFox64. :D

Also, Super Mario Bros. and Link to the Past.

LttP highly suggested over SimCity.

And that point system gets only hate from me, as well. I've got 700 points just hanging around, 'cuz I needed to buy 2000 points to get SMB (500) and LttP (800), yet I couldn't come up with anything else to get. I want to get Gradius III, except that it's 800 points. :evil: So, of course I'd have to but another 1000 points, then I'd still be left with 900 points with nothing to do with them! Damn you, Nintendo! Join the rest of the Internet, and stop this nickel and dime shit under the guise of trying to make everything easier. It's more complicated to do this.

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Postby Castaway » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:45 am UTC

Link To The Past, because it's a nearly perfect game.
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Postby Amnesiasoft » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:46 am UTC

I'd suggest Sim City 2000. Even if it is the third most evil game ever created (behind GR:AW and Far Cry)

I just really didn't enjoy Link to the Past. I found Link's Awakening to be my favorite 2D Zelda game.

Oh yeah, and ROMS!

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Postby Vandole » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:00 am UTC

I'm just using the Virtual Console to buy games I don't already own/haven't already played to death. So far I've picked up F-Zero and F-Zero X, and I'm considering Kirby's Adventure, Zelda 2, Sonic 1 & 2, Ninja Gaiden and Gunstar Heroes.

As for the points complaints: Because Nintendo is a business. Profit is their purpose, and the points system has arguably very little negative impact. Also, it was put into place with the idea that kids (meaning people without credit cards) would be able to use it by buying points cards. In this way, they open up the virtual console to more people. Many people are still afraid of using their credit cards for online purchases and kids are unlikely to be able to convince their parents to do so.

Back to the original question: If you already own LttP on SNES or GBA, just dust it off sometime and get Sim City instead. If you don't, get LttP, then Sim City.
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Postby Twasbrillig » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:10 am UTC

I got SimCity. It is made of win, awesome, and much more replayability than Zelda.

Having trouble with it though - how the fuck do I get more money? :(

I tend to spend it all and then not be able to accumulate more. Taxes don't add enough money to go with.
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Postby Jach » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:28 am UTC

Raise taxes? XP *Has only played SimCity 2000, and that was a long time ago, so has no idea what stuff is except for some rich cousin cheat* But yeah, I probably would have chosen SimCity over Zelda just because I'm a little Zelda'd out at the moment.

My only peeve with the VC is that I can't custom-define controls for the GameCube controller. Contra 3 just doesn't play very well with it...
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Postby tarkadal » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:11 am UTC

Jach wrote:My only peeve with the VC is that I can't custom-define controls for the GameCube controller. Contra 3 just doesn't play very well with it...


Yeah, I hate that. Some games let you custom define in-game, but Contra 3 pushed me over the edge and I had to by a classic controller. Lucky I love to buy accessories then, isn't it!
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Postby Jach » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:19 am UTC

What'd be really great is if I could somehow get my old SNES controller to function with the Wii. :? Probably not going to happen, though...

And if you love buying accessories so much, why not buy me a classic controller, too?

Edit: Whoa, I'm almost too powerful in the ways of the Google. Just typed in a hopeless search, and this came up:
http://www.retrousb.com/index.php?categoryID=80
Isn't the classic controller like, $40?
EditEdit: Ah, only $20 as well. Meh, I'd still rather have the SNES adapter.
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Postby tarkadal » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:31 am UTC

Holy Quickmollusk Batman! Paper Mario has been released on VC here in Australia!
*runs to find credit card to buy more point*
I saw it in a games store boxed for $200 a few weeks ago. That went and then I saw it cart only for $150 last week.

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Postby rockintom99 » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:50 pm UTC

Twasbrillig wrote:Super Metroid is planned for release but hasn't been completed yet. I'd say if you'd buy one for that reason, you have enough money to go buy one RIGHT NOW. Seriously, the Wii rocks my socks off.


'The crap you talking about, not completed? It's a rom... running on the Wii. Nothing to it. They could have released it from day one, or, for that matter, pretty much any of their games. They only release them 2-3 at a time to make more money. Bleh.
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Postby Twasbrillig » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:16 pm UTC

rockintom99 wrote:
Twasbrillig wrote:Super Metroid is planned for release but hasn't been completed yet. I'd say if you'd buy one for that reason, you have enough money to go buy one RIGHT NOW. Seriously, the Wii rocks my socks off.


'The crap you talking about, not completed? It's a rom... running on the Wii. Nothing to it. They could have released it from day one, or, for that matter, pretty much any of their games. They only release them 2-3 at a time to make more money. Bleh.


Yes, because making people wait is a good idea.

There's is something to it. They have to take all of the data they originally have, check it over about 5000 times, fix any glitches that were in the original, write up new instructions for it, convert it to Wii-compatible software, and then put it online.

They don't wait. They do release them in bunches, but they couldn't release Super Metroid right now - it isn't finished yet. It requires hours and hours of testing, along with hours and hours of work, and they've probably only given the job to about 5 or 6 people.
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Postby Nomic » Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:16 pm UTC

Twasbrillig wrote:
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Twasbrillig wrote:Super Metroid is planned for release but hasn't been completed yet. I'd say if you'd buy one for that reason, you have enough money to go buy one RIGHT NOW. Seriously, the Wii rocks my socks off.


'The crap you talking about, not completed? It's a rom... running on the Wii. Nothing to it. They could have released it from day one, or, for that matter, pretty much any of their games. They only release them 2-3 at a time to make more money. Bleh.


Yes, because making people wait is a good idea.

There's is something to it. They have to take all of the data they originally have, check it over about 5000 times, fix any glitches that were in the original, write up new instructions for it, convert it to Wii-compatible software, and then put it online.

They don't wait. They do release them in bunches, but they couldn't release Super Metroid right now - it isn't finished yet. It requires hours and hours of testing, along with hours and hours of work, and they've probably only given the job to about 5 or 6 people.


I seriously hope they don't fix the bugs in the origina. As far as I know SM didn't have a single gamebreaking bug, but multiple ones thta would only be noticeable if the player sequencebreaked or did something else that wasn't intendet. And what glorious bugs they were! Name another game with a bug thta gives you a weapon so powerful it can tera holes in the very fabric of space and time, resettign the game while letting you keep all you'r weapons, energy and ammo (exept missiles for some reason)

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Postby rockintom99 » Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:30 pm UTC

Twasbrillig wrote:
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Twasbrillig wrote:Super Metroid is planned for release but hasn't been completed yet. I'd say if you'd buy one for that reason, you have enough money to go buy one RIGHT NOW. Seriously, the Wii rocks my socks off.


'The crap you talking about, not completed? It's a rom... running on the Wii. Nothing to it. They could have released it from day one, or, for that matter, pretty much any of their games. They only release them 2-3 at a time to make more money. Bleh.


Yes, because making people wait is a good idea.

There's is something to it. They have to take all of the data they originally have, check it over about 5000 times, fix any glitches that were in the original, write up new instructions for it, convert it to Wii-compatible software, and then put it online.

They don't wait. They do release them in bunches, but they couldn't release Super Metroid right now - it isn't finished yet. It requires hours and hours of testing, along with hours and hours of work, and they've probably only given the job to about 5 or 6 people.


They do not fix any bugs. The games are in the exact form as they were originally released (for the most part). Have you never used zSNES? People have this emulation thing down pretty well. :wink:

They release them in bunches of 3 so when people feel like buying a game, they don't only buy the *best* games, they buy the best games that are out right now, plus the best ones when they *do* come out.
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Postby Gelsamel » Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:24 pm UTC

I haven't bothered connecting to the net with my Wii yet.

Are there any good games on the Virtual Console? Like the Snes Version of Tales of Phantasia - I would consider playin' that.
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