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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Fri May 09, 2014 4:34 pm UTC

ArgonV wrote:I'm a bit dissapointed that Ward
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just isn't plain evil. The good guy turning evil and then repenting later has been done to bits. It'd be cool if he just went all "I was evil all along, muhahaha!" *twirls mustache*

But that just might be me

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I don't know, I am hopeful that they are going down the 'some people are too far gone to redeem themselves' road. They had him shoot the dog, and they had him drop Fitz-Simmons into the ocean.

It was also kind of interesting that they showed how manipulated he's been by Garrett. Being left alone in the woods, to break him down, then build him back up again? I'm hoping that they don't redeem him, but it was good seeing the motivation behind why he's holding steadfastly to this idea that he owes Garrett so much.

I guess we might get the 'redemption once on his deathbed' though, but I still think he's going to get knocked off by one of the team. Possibly Fitz - I am really interested to see the pay-off of Fitz hero worshipping Ward to be betrayed so completely.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Chen » Fri May 09, 2014 4:34 pm UTC

ArgonV wrote:I'm a bit dissapointed that Ward
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just isn't plain evil. The good guy turning evil and then repenting later has been done to bits. It'd be cool if he just went all "I was evil all along, muhahaha!" *twirls mustache*

But that just might be me


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I really hope they don't make him back to good. The scene with him dumping Fitz and Simmons is a tad ambiguous. Did he do it to "save" them? The flash to the dog in the hunting scope seems to be a point of contention. A lot of people think its showing that Ward still could do the "hard" choice, just that he couldn't do it up close an personal. This fits well with him dumping Fitz and Simmons to die, rather than doing the deed directly himself.

I've read other opinions that it was Garett aiming the rifle, and thus dumping Fitz and Simmons was a way of "saving" them from Garett who would finish the job himself if Ward didn't.

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby ArgonV » Fri May 09, 2014 4:58 pm UTC

Chen wrote:
ArgonV wrote:I'm a bit dissapointed that Ward
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just isn't plain evil. The good guy turning evil and then repenting later has been done to bits. It'd be cool if he just went all "I was evil all along, muhahaha!" *twirls mustache*

But that just might be me


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I really hope they don't make him back to good. The scene with him dumping Fitz and Simmons is a tad ambiguous. Did he do it to "save" them? The flash to the dog in the hunting scope seems to be a point of contention. A lot of people think its showing that Ward still could do the "hard" choice, just that he couldn't do it up close an personal. This fits well with him dumping Fitz and Simmons to die, rather than doing the deed directly himself.

I've read other opinions that it was Garett aiming the rifle, and thus dumping Fitz and Simmons was a way of "saving" them from Garett who would finish the job himself if Ward didn't.

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Yeah, I read that scene as Garrett finishing what Ward couldn't and that'll come back to bite him in the ass when Garrett finds out he did not kill Fitzsimmons, disobeying what could've been his dying request.

As for Ward, I wouldn't like it if he sacrified himself heroically, yet I also wouldn't like it if he continuously antagonises the team, yet never dies (like Deathlock, or however it's spelled). Hope they got something better planned

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Postby Angua » Fri May 09, 2014 5:00 pm UTC

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I hadn't thought of that. I don't see why Garrett would bother though - he seems like the sort of person who would just abandon a dog in the woods.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Whizbang » Fri May 09, 2014 5:09 pm UTC

ArgonV wrote:
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ArgonV wrote:I'm a bit dissapointed that Ward
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just isn't plain evil. The good guy turning evil and then repenting later has been done to bits. It'd be cool if he just went all "I was evil all along, muhahaha!" *twirls mustache*

But that just might be me


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I really hope they don't make him back to good. The scene with him dumping Fitz and Simmons is a tad ambiguous. Did he do it to "save" them? The flash to the dog in the hunting scope seems to be a point of contention. A lot of people think its showing that Ward still could do the "hard" choice, just that he couldn't do it up close an personal. This fits well with him dumping Fitz and Simmons to die, rather than doing the deed directly himself.

I've read other opinions that it was Garett aiming the rifle, and thus dumping Fitz and Simmons was a way of "saving" them from Garett who would finish the job himself if Ward didn't.

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Yeah, I read that scene as Garrett finishing what Ward couldn't and that'll come back to bite him in the ass when Garrett finds out he did not kill Fitzsimmons, disobeying what could've been his dying request.

As for Ward, I wouldn't like it if he sacrified himself heroically, yet I also wouldn't like it if he continuously antagonises the team, yet never dies (like Deathlock, or however it's spelled). Hope they got something better planned


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I think that ward will, indeed, change sides again and redeem himself. They've been careful to show him always saying he is "just obeying orders" and that he "owes Garett everything". He is being "bad" out of a sense of duty. He's lawful evil, so to speak. He has a moral code, it is just that loyalty to Garett supersedes any other morals. He is currently having a conflict where his loyalty to the team might become greater than to Garett, especially as Garett becomes more sadistic and powerful after the serum was given to him.

Also, this is Marvel and Disney. They kind of do redemption stories a lot.

Although, I would be upset if they let him back on the team. He definitely deserves to be imprisoned or shunned or something. But, I bet he'll go out in a last-ditch bid for his soul against Garett or something.


Spoiler:
In another line of thought, what do people think about the reveal on Skye's parents "turning into monsters"? What does that mean in combination to her getting alien medicine/goo injected inter her? Is she going to become a super?

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Chen » Fri May 09, 2014 5:24 pm UTC

The whole dog discussion seems pretty heated on other forums. I guess we'll need to wait til next week and see.

Whizbang wrote:
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In another line of thought, what do people think about the reveal on Skye's parents "turning into monsters"? What does that mean in combination to her getting alien medicine/goo injected inter her? Is she going to become a super?


Rampant speculation
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Skrulls are shapeshifters. I'm going with that. It even sets it up for her to eventually become a super like Ms Marvel or something. She could be the Kree baby the Skrulls were trying to kidnap or something.

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Postby OP Tipping » Mon May 12, 2014 3:25 pm UTC

I am a bit late but Yay @ the Doctor Who reference in The Only Light In The Darkness: perfect for Simmons. There is even an apparent musical reference to the DW theme later when they are collecting Audrey.

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Postby Tyndmyr » Tue May 13, 2014 5:50 pm UTC

Ixtellor wrote:So I missed the whole series.

Was it worth it? Would you recommend it?


It's spotty at best. Give it a watch if you like Marvel stuff, there will be fun cameos, and it definitely does get better post Captain America. There will be some tedious bits before that, then.

My group that watches it IRL made a drinking game of it.

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Postby Angua » Wed May 14, 2014 9:04 am UTC

OK, I thought the finale was pretty epic. And did not disappoint in any way.
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Postby maybeagnostic » Wed May 14, 2014 11:38 am UTC

Just saw the season finale and enjoyed it thoroughly. This is what this show should have been like all along.

As for people who haven't watched the show but might want to give season two a go, I'd suggest just watching the two part season finale. It is essentially self-contained, is really fun and sets up everything for the next season. If you want a little more context, episodes 13-17 are worth checking out and maybe also... huh, looking through the episodes it seems like the finale actually tied up a bunch of story points from the whole season. Too bad the show developed it's story in the final 3 minutes of most episodes, while reserving the initial 40 for filler.

As for the actual spoilers from the finale:
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It isn't all that much of a spoiler, but I enjoy the characters' new personalities much better. They didn't get here in a very organic manner but at least they did.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby pseudoidiot » Wed May 14, 2014 1:04 pm UTC

Regarding the finale:

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I audibly groaned when John Garrett came back and climbed on the table.

And then I laughed quite loudly when Coulson exploded him. Well played.
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Postby You, sir, name? » Thu May 15, 2014 10:51 pm UTC

The show really stepped up its game in the last half a dozen or so episodes.

Very strange. I hope the next season doesn't revert back to the incredibly formulaic style this one started out with :-/
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Whizbang » Thu May 15, 2014 11:23 pm UTC

pseudoidiot wrote:Regarding the finale:

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I audibly groaned when John Garrett came back and climbed on the table.

And then I laughed quite loudly when Coulson exploded him. Well played.


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Postby Zohar » Sat May 17, 2014 11:35 am UTC

The finale makes me consider watching the next season... And yes, the bit Pseudo mentions was pretty great.

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Kind of silly they'd have all of their operations in one single location. The handlers, the medical facilities to turn guys to super soldiers, the hostages.. What did they have in the place May and Coulson broke into, anyway? Just the papers?
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby OP Tipping » Mon May 26, 2014 2:09 pm UTC

Coulson said "mainframe". Holy cow.

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Postby ArgonV » Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:05 pm UTC

So about Fitz
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are his symptoms indicative of any type of brain damage?

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Postby Angua » Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:48 pm UTC

Poor Fitz.

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They said he has temporal lobe damage, which I guess could give some difficulties with expressing himself (Broca's is near where the temporal and frontal lobe meet, but things are rarely as seen in the text book. You can also get visual hallucinations from temporal lobe problems.

Not sure why he's got temporal lobe damage after suffering from hypoxia (generally more the parietal and occipital lobes from what I can find looking for watershed areas and anoxic brain injury), though I guess it could be due to damage from the bends (given they had him in a decompression chamber along with Simmons.
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Postby You, sir, name? » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:12 pm UTC

I like where they've gone with this show. The first few episodes of S2 are a vast improvement over the first few episodes of S1.
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Postby Angua » Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:12 pm UTC

Speculation + Guardians of Galaxy tie in (though, most of the stuff from Guardians is probably in the trailers)

Spoiler:
So, Ronan, before he got all dressed up with the makeup and stuff was the same type of Alien as GH. And I've noticed after watching some GotG interviews (can't wait until it's out on DVD to rewatch again!!!), that Ronan's ship was shaped like the Obelisk. So I'm wondering if the Kree are going to have more to do with Agents, or if they're going to wait until further on in the Avengers movies.

Speaking of, what's up with the Obelisk being called an obelisk. It's the wrong shape...
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Postby ArgonV » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:27 pm UTC

I agree on the speculation, that's what I figured as well

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There wasn't any Kree writing in GotG, right? Because then we'd know for sure. But I doubt there's going to be two species of blue humanoids introduced to the universe, that'd be kinda lame. Was there any indication Ronan had any superhuman abilities, like fast healing, before he had the stone?


Also, I just realized this wasn't mentioned:
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Reina is working for Skye's father? I mean, that's who he is, right? I'd expected him to be alien though

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Postby Angua » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:34 pm UTC

Spoiler:
He does have gooey hands I think. Possible shapeshifter ie Skrull? Would explain why Skye looks human.

I can't remember if there was Kree writing in GotG or not. Ronan doesn't really do that much before he gets the stone, so hard to tell.
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ArgonV wrote:
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Reina is working for Skye's father? I mean, that's who he is, right? I'd expected him to be alien though

How the hell did you arrive at that?

Honestly I'm completely confused who is who. It seems like they introduced 5 new factions in just two episodes. Pretty awesome so far though.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:22 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:
ArgonV wrote:
Spoiler:
Reina is working for Skye's father? I mean, that's who he is, right? I'd expected him to be alien though

How the hell did you arrive at that?

Honestly I'm completely confused who is who. It seems like they introduced 5 new factions in just two episodes. Pretty awesome so far though.
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Because at the end of the last episode she said 'I found your daughter' and then during the last one he said 'bring me my daughter and I'll show you both how it works.
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Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:25 pm UTC

ArgonV wrote:I agree on the speculation, that's what I figured as well

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There wasn't any Kree writing in GotG, right? Because then we'd know for sure. But I doubt there's going to be two species of blue humanoids introduced to the universe, that'd be kinda lame. Was there any indication Ronan had any superhuman abilities, like fast healing, before he had the stone?



Sorry to break it to you, but it's the Marvel Universe. Blue humanoids are kind of a dime a dozen.

Hell, the frost giants are blue, and already clearly also exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, so the "only one blue race" theory is already kind of shot.

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Postby Angua » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:38 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
ArgonV wrote:I agree on the speculation, that's what I figured as well

Spoiler:
There wasn't any Kree writing in GotG, right? Because then we'd know for sure. But I doubt there's going to be two species of blue humanoids introduced to the universe, that'd be kinda lame. Was there any indication Ronan had any superhuman abilities, like fast healing, before he had the stone?



Sorry to break it to you, but it's the Marvel Universe. Blue humanoids are kind of a dime a dozen.

Hell, the frost giants are blue, and already clearly also exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, so the "only one blue race" theory is already kind of shot.

Spoiler:
I thought Ronan's pre-dressing up shot looked very similar to our blue guy, which is what I was basing it on.

Though you're right about there being a lot of blue around - there was even that guy with the sheepdog arrow in GotG who was blue.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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Diadem wrote:
ArgonV wrote:
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Reina is working for Skye's father? I mean, that's who he is, right? I'd expected him to be alien though

How the hell did you arrive at that?

Honestly I'm completely confused who is who. It seems like they introduced 5 new factions in just two episodes. Pretty awesome so far though.


also
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also, the actor was cast as Skye's Father, and was said to have been over the summer
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Postby Joeldi » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:34 pm UTC

Season 2 continues to be better than season one, but Triplett's suggestion that Morocco was in the Middle East got me pretty damn shitty.
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Postby ArgonV » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:38 pm UTC

Joeldi wrote:Season 2 continues to be better than season one, but Triplett's suggestion that Morocco was in the Middle East got me pretty damn shitty.


Isn't that typical of American geographic knowledge? [/condescending European mode] :P

Spoiler:
So Simmons is working for Hydra as a double agent, Hydra is hiding in plain sight. Seems to be just an office tower somewhere. Why stamp their logo all over it?

Fitz at least seems to know she isn't really there (that wasn't quite clear to me until now) and ice dude will be coming back I suppose, since they haven't found a body.

Also, the brainwashed SHIELD agent is the same actress as the tech from Castle, right?

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Postby Angua » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:54 am UTC

Is that who she was! I thought I recognised her.

I caught the Morocco comment as well :P

Spoiler:
I just feel so sorry for poor Fitz. I was pretty sure he knew Simmons wasn't real in the last episode when she was walking between them and checking out that new Tech guy - what's his name? And while we're at it - was is the name of the British dude?

I'm wondering if Hydra is going to do the comply thing to Simmons just as a matter of course. It's good that we have some evidence that the victim can break away from it enough to leave (like Donny - sounds like he needed two doses of the spiel to be fully back under it's control).
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Postby ArgonV » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:12 pm UTC

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Poor Raina (Reina?), I almost feel sorry for her. I'm guessing she was an orphan mr Dad took in off the street?

I'm guessing Sky's (Skye's?) dad's anger issues go deeper than just lack of anger management. Maybe he was the first to be treated with the HG-serum, before Sky was born and that's how Sky ended up with it? So she's artificially 1/4 alien

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Postby Angua » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:14 pm UTC

Spoiler:
He seems almost Hulk-like with the rage thing. Though, now he's going to be working with Whitehall that will probably not go very well. I wonder if Whitehall is going to try and make him comply... Should be interesting to see how those two work together.

I kind of feel sorry for Raina, but really, her mannerisms just really, really annoy me so much I'll be glad if she goes, however I doubt that she will. She's quite an embedded character to the show.
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Postby Joeldi » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:41 am UTC

Spoiler:
I have this somewhat unlikely theory that Skye's mother will turn out to be of the same race as Quill's father for the sake of bringing some GotG stuff closer to the rest of the Universe.

It's a crap theory because I haven't figured out how her father fits into it other than 'lost his mind cos aliens'
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Postby UniqueScreenname » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:21 pm UTC

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The only reason I like Raina is because she's a true neutral. I think that's a demographic most TV shows and movies skip over, painting people black and white on the spectrum of good and evil. She is the greyest I've seen other than Ben Linus on Lost. But, yes, her mannerisms are hella annoying.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:32 pm UTC

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That's true. Neutral is a pretty rare state in the tv world.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby UniqueScreenname » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:19 pm UTC

Joeldi wrote:
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I have this somewhat unlikely theory that Skye's mother will turn out to be of the same race as Quill's father for the sake of bringing some GotG stuff closer to the rest of the Universe.

It's a crap theory because I haven't figured out how her father fits into it other than 'lost his mind cos aliens'

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I think it's much more likely that her father is the alien, based on his generally erratic behavior and the guy who was killed by brute strength.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby ArgonV » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:25 pm UTC

UniqueScreenname wrote:
Joeldi wrote:
Spoiler:
I have this somewhat unlikely theory that Skye's mother will turn out to be of the same race as Quill's father for the sake of bringing some GotG stuff closer to the rest of the Universe.

It's a crap theory because I haven't figured out how her father fits into it other than 'lost his mind cos aliens'

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I think it's much more likely that her father is the alien, based on his generally erratic behavior and the guy who was killed by brute strength.

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Brute strength? Wasn't there a scalpel involved? I'm still going for Skye's dad was first treated with alien hormones that persisted in his system, making Skye sort-of 1/4 alien.

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby UniqueScreenname » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:54 am UTC

ArgonV wrote:
UniqueScreenname wrote:
Joeldi wrote:
Spoiler:
I have this somewhat unlikely theory that Skye's mother will turn out to be of the same race as Quill's father for the sake of bringing some GotG stuff closer to the rest of the Universe.

It's a crap theory because I haven't figured out how her father fits into it other than 'lost his mind cos aliens'

Spoiler:
I think it's much more likely that her father is the alien, based on his generally erratic behavior and the guy who was killed by brute strength.

Spoiler:
Brute strength? Wasn't there a scalpel involved? I'm still going for Skye's dad was first treated with alien hormones that persisted in his system, making Skye sort-of 1/4 alien.

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They said one was killed with a scalpel and one was either choked or had their neck snapped with bare hands. And that's entirely possible. I have no precognition.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby maybeagnostic » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:41 pm UTC

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I kind of feel sorry for Raina, but really, her mannerisms just really, really annoy me so much I'll be glad if she goes, however I doubt that she will. She's quite an embedded character to the show.


Only watched up to episode three but...
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Raina used to annoy me a lot when she first showed up but she's starting to grow on me. There's just something really off about all her mannerisms that makes me think she's being portrayed this way for a specific reason. Maybe some kind of trauma/coping mechanism that would be totally botched in most other shows but I'd trust Whedon to pull off.

As for Skye's alienness being such a huge deal... if she is a quarter alien of some species that isn't all that unique or powerful to begin with, would she really be the huge deal they are building her up to be? Sure, the Agents is a lot more toned down than the movies but you can't have her be very important for being a quarter X if full-blooded X are just background fodder being tossed around by the heroes in the movies.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Joeldi » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:50 am UTC

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Ok, so that was quite a good episode, except. Coulson just intentionally let Ward loose? Come on, his whole thing is being one step ahead of everyone else when he has the information - there's no way he wouldn't have known Ward had the skills to break out...I can see this being part of some grand plan of Coulson's but it seems extremely irresponsible.
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