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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SwiftSilent » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:24 am UTC

Well either way, it'd be interesting to see how the characters develop since the story kind of revolves around these secrets.


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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:05 pm UTC

So....
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From the previously on, it was Hill, not May who said that he could never know what happened to him. I found it interesting that they could keep him conscious while he was dead? Very weird. Also, what are the thoughts on the brief image of a galaxy or something that he saw when he was looking into lights.

Also, that brain builder thing was creepy as hell.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby mr-mitch » Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:25 pm UTC

Angua wrote:So....
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From the previously on, it was Hill, not May who said that he could never know what happened to him. I found it interesting that they could keep him conscious while he was dead? Very weird. Also, what are the thoughts on the brief image of a galaxy or something that he saw when he was looking into lights.

Also, that brain builder thing was creepy as hell.


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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:36 pm UTC

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Yeah, Shepherd Doctorbook said he was brought in for the SEVENTH operation, and he had been dead for days before it all even started. That was clearly captured alien technology fixing his brain, and man I can't wait for more of that. I figure the Clairvoyant has totally seen the end of SHIELD, and Coulson went angry-renegade before that and forms his own splinter cell with the Bus. Sort of like the A-Team.

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:47 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Thoughts on who the Clairvoyant is? A Tratari (Shitari? Tschtarai? Whatever)? Loki?

I think there's going to be some additional weirdness to why Coleson specifically was brought back. He's a rad agent and all, but SHIELD probably loses tons of rad agents.

Also, was super glad to see Sky finally be useful in that last episode.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:43 pm UTC

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Ah, I thought that after the 7th there were some more, but that was the one that got him conscious. I probably misunderstood a lot.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SwiftSilent » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:08 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
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Thoughts on who the Clairvoyant is? A Tratari (Shitari? Tschtarai? Whatever)? Loki?

I think there's going to be some additional weirdness to why Coleson specifically was brought back. He's a rad agent and all, but SHIELD probably loses tons of rad agents.

Also, was super glad to see Sky finally be useful in that last episode.

I love these spoilers.

Spoiler:
Well whoever the Clairvoyant is, it's guaranteed that it's alien. No human could possibly have those abilities as far as I know. Whatever he wants, he wants to take over the world. But for some reason, I feel like the Clairvoyant has tried to take over the world before, but failed. I'm not sure why, but that is what I feel in my gut.

Director Fury probably cared a lot about Coulson. Therefore, he wanted to keep him alive. But too be honest, I'm not sure what was so bad about his death that had to be kept secret.

My favorite part with Skye was her impersonation of May. That was hilarious for me. But I'm also excited to see who her parents were. It looks like it's going to be really bad (I mean in a good way) for her in the next episode.


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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:36 pm UTC

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Re: secrecy around Coulson being brought back: Alien tech! And the way it kind of didn't work, insofar as putting him in such monumental pain that he needed his memories rewritten to restore him to who he once was. But I wonder if there's also something about how he was killed by Loki's staff that makes him special.

I loved how May stonily complimented Sky's jacket. There was a lot of great characterization in this last episode.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:53 pm UTC

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Yeah, I'm still not seeing why that is such a huge secret. We fixed you, but it was painful? Seriously, surgery without anesthesia happens. It sucks a lot, no doubt, but that doesn't qualify it as a shield super-secret, and as a reveal, it was kind of a let-down.

The tech is getting sketchier, too. The brain thingie was interesting, but felt like a randomly dropped tech-thing. See also, the ridiculous way the aircraft turned. And literally everything to do with the bracelet. Plus, it only brings up more and more questions about what exactly shield's status is in this world. For a secret agency, it feels less and less secret all the time.

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby ArgonV » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:51 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
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Yeah, I'm still not seeing why that is such a huge secret. We fixed you, but it was painful? Seriously, surgery without anesthesia happens. It sucks a lot, no doubt, but that doesn't qualify it as a shield super-secret, and as a reveal, it was kind of a let-down.

The tech is getting sketchier, too. The brain thingie was interesting, but felt like a randomly dropped tech-thing. See also, the ridiculous way the aircraft turned. And literally everything to do with the bracelet. Plus, it only brings up more and more questions about what exactly shield's status is in this world. For a secret agency, it feels less and less secret all the time.

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What exactly was the problem with the plane? In their first appearance, SHIELD has a flying aircraft carrier, I think they have materials that could take that kind of strain

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby JBJ » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:19 pm UTC

ArgonV wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:
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Yeah, I'm still not seeing why that is such a huge secret. We fixed you, but it was painful? Seriously, surgery without anesthesia happens. It sucks a lot, no doubt, but that doesn't qualify it as a shield super-secret, and as a reveal, it was kind of a let-down.

The tech is getting sketchier, too. The brain thingie was interesting, but felt like a randomly dropped tech-thing. See also, the ridiculous way the aircraft turned. And literally everything to do with the bracelet. Plus, it only brings up more and more questions about what exactly shield's status is in this world. For a secret agency, it feels less and less secret all the time.

Spoiler:
What exactly was the problem with the plane? In their first appearance, SHIELD has a flying aircraft carrier, I think they have materials that could take that kind of strain

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I had an issue with the turn as well. I don't have a problem with the technology, just the maneuver. It was pointless to bring the plane to a complete stop, rotate, then accelerate back to speed. It required people to brace themselves and anything not secured would probably go flying. She could have changed direction with a simple coordinated banking turn faster, use less fuel, and not impact the passengers or cargo.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:25 pm UTC

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I think you're thinking about this in terms of a 747 using existing technology. Which is the wrong way to think about it.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:42 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
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I think you're thinking about this in terms of a 747 using existing technology. Which is the wrong way to think about it.


Unless SHIELD technology is significantly worse than mid-twentieth century tech, the old trick of cancelling gravity and acceleration with each other should continue to work.

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby maybeagnostic » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:21 am UTC

Unless SHIELD technology is significantly worse than mid-twentieth century tech, the old trick of cancelling gravity and acceleration with each other should continue to work.

Huh? That's how you simulate zero-g but it isn't how planes stay afloat.

That turn was pretty absurd though. Modern commercial airplanes have cruising speeds of about 900 km/h and since the shield plane was in a hurry, it shouldn't have been going any slower than that. To perform a 180 degree turn in a few seconds would definitely be extremely unpleasant and likely very dangerous for the passengers. Assuming the plane took 5 seconds to turn around (it appeared to be even less than that), that would give a delta V of 1800 km/h (or 100 m/s^2 of acceleration for 5 seconds) on everything in the plane, including the passengers. So I guess about 10-g which seems to be within acceptable limits according to wikipedia. Guess everyone would have been safe if uncomfortable so long as everything was properly strapped down.

Spoiler:
I am not sure if we are supposed to assume Coulson's secret is revealed now but it doesn't seem like we got any particularly useful or shocking information. Both he and the audience already knew he had been resurrected by SHIELD and that his memories had been tampered with so the only "reveal" is that one of the operations was painful? It doesn't seem like the show was particularly interested in the technology needed to perform resurrection so that's a bust.

I liked the idea that SHIELD didn't let him "rest in peace" even though he was begging them to- a pretty interesting moral dilemma except it seems this isn't so much an evil SHIELD experiment as it is Fury breaking the rules to help out a friend. This would probably make more sense if I had any idea what Coulson DID as a SHIELD agent or even what an average SHIELD agent does but after eleven episodes of the show I am still totally unclear on how this whole thing functions. Is it supposed to be a USA government organization? Clearly not, as they have many international bases and agents. Is it supposed to be covert? Clearly not, as we have seen random people and governments defer to the name and authority of the organization in several episodes. Who's backing them? Who's giving them technology well in advance of any nation's military? What is their purpose (other than to lock away immensely important scientific discoveries in their basement)? I really feel like the cast and even the writers have only the vaguest idea what SHIELD is supposed to be or do.


I did like the episode better than most in the show so far though. The characters are still one-dimensional but at least they were likable in this one.

P.S. Didn't put plane discussion in spoiler because it wasn't relevant to the plot.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SwiftSilent » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:47 am UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
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Yeah, I'm still not seeing why that is such a huge secret. We fixed you, but it was painful? Seriously, surgery without anesthesia happens. It sucks a lot, no doubt, but that doesn't qualify it as a shield super-secret, and as a reveal, it was kind of a let-down.

The tech is getting sketchier, too. The brain thingie was interesting, but felt like a randomly dropped tech-thing. See also, the ridiculous way the aircraft turned. And literally everything to do with the bracelet. Plus, it only brings up more and more questions about what exactly shield's status is in this world. For a secret agency, it feels less and less secret all the time.

Spoiler:
The way with how the aircraft turned isn't really something to complain about. SHIELD has far advanced technology than we could possibly understand. It's just safe to say, they're technology just isn't much like ours. :roll:

The bracelet was awesome. I love how Coulson did the voice command at the end. It was hilarious! Nothing to be critical about there. It was a mushy moment that had a nice laugh. No big gadget coming along to unlock it.

Sure this is a secret agency. I think what you're complaining about is the fact of what is so bad about all these secrets?


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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby rmsgrey » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:25 am UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:
Unless SHIELD technology is significantly worse than mid-twentieth century tech, the old trick of cancelling gravity and acceleration with each other should continue to work.

Huh? That's how you simulate zero-g but it isn't how planes stay afloat.


Yeah, but the point of a banked turn rather than simply yawing round is that the changed angle of gravity compensates for the centrifugal force, keeping subjective "down" in the right direction relative to the plane.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:41 am UTC

And if they had done a banked turn, that would mean something.

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Carlington » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:04 pm UTC

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I thought the reason that the details of Coulson's death were kept from him were made fairly clear, actually. As the doctor in the scene at the end, in the car, said - "You lost the will to live. We tried to give it back to you." I figured the re-written memories were to make sure Coulson didn't know he wanted to die. Of course, we don't know why they wanted to bring him back, but it does seem very much like S.H.I.E.L.D. to want to keep the fact that they brought him back against his will from him.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SwiftSilent » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:18 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:
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I thought the reason that the details of Coulson's death were kept from him were made fairly clear, actually. As the doctor in the scene at the end, in the car, said - "You lost the will to live. We tried to give it back to you." I figured the re-written memories were to make sure Coulson didn't know he wanted to die. Of course, we don't know why they wanted to bring him back, but it does seem very much like S.H.I.E.L.D. to want to keep the fact that they brought him back against his will from him.

Spoiler:
Thanks for clearing that up. I was a bit confused there.

I really can't understand the reason why Director Fury had to have him back so badly. It could just be personal.


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Postby pseudoidiot » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:08 pm UTC

Spoiler:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say maybe there's something really special about Coulson. Something important enough to expend so many resources to bring him back. I think that's more what the secret is about, not the how he was revived, but the why and I don't think it's as simple as Director Fury just really liking him.
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Postby ArgonV » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:07 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Or maybe he was just an experiment, in case a higher level agent dies?

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Postby Diadem » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:57 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Well of course Coulson is special. Did you guys not watch the Avengers movie? He knows all the avengers personally, and is liked by all of them. That alone makes him probably the most important agent SHIELD has, after Nick Fury himself. Plus he delayed Loki long enough for the Avengers to save the day, and avenging him is what made them work together as a team. So it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say the earth would have been destroyed without him.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SwiftSilent » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:58 am UTC

Diadem wrote:
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Well of course Coulson is special. Did you guys not watch the Avengers movie? He knows all the avengers personally, and is liked by all of them. That alone makes him probably the most important agent SHIELD has, after Nick Fury himself. Plus he delayed Loki long enough for the Avengers to save the day, and avenging him is what made them work together as a team. So it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say the earth would have been destroyed without him.

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Diadem wrote:
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Well of course Coulson is special. Did you guys not watch the Avengers movie? He knows all the avengers personally, and is liked by all of them. That alone makes him probably the most important agent SHIELD has, after Nick Fury himself. Plus he delayed Loki long enough for the Avengers to save the day, and avenging him is what made them work together as a team. So it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say the earth would have been destroyed without him.


Well, new york would have been nuked, really. Maybe not the whole world, but nukes definitely would stop the invasion, albeit at a terrible cost.

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Postby ArgonV » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:12 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:
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Well of course Coulson is special. Did you guys not watch the Avengers movie? He knows all the avengers personally, and is liked by all of them. That alone makes him probably the most important agent SHIELD has, after Nick Fury himself. Plus he delayed Loki long enough for the Avengers to save the day, and avenging him is what made them work together as a team. So it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say the earth would have been destroyed without him.

Spoiler:
Ok, he stopped the earth from being destroyed. Bury him with full honours, give him a posthumous medal and be done with it, like you would any operative dying in a war. I don't see the need to revive him, just because he managed to be friends with all the superheroes.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:21 pm UTC

It's almost like
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the reason he was brought back HASN'T BEEN REVEALED YET. Halfway through the first season doesn't seem like the proper time to uncover everything interesting about the main character's backstory.

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Postby headprogrammingczar » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:11 pm UTC

We must uncover only the boring parts. This thread is now about the boring parts. Coulson's favorite breakfast is Fruit Loops, but only with half and half.
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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:23 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet...

The lady with the x-ray eye scanned him, and was clearly freaked out, asking "What did they DO to him?!" His blood has unusually high levels of iron. Clearly, there's still some alien tech at work inside of him. What do you think? Robot skeleton? Artificial organs? He's an alien shape-shifter, given Coulson's mind? You clearly saw from his POV dying, and going to a different galaxy... maybe he was going 'home', and he got dragged back?


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Postby Sytri » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:42 am UTC

Well, they aren't showing this in the UK and I've not found an online less-than-legal way to view it. But view taken from Mighty Jalapeno's spoiler:

Spoiler:
We saw that the Chitari are "run" through a central core; when Iron Man destroyed it in the film they all switched off. What if somehow the Chitari work like Cylons in the sense that they are run from a central server and the bodies are just vessels? Could Coulson have been "uploaded" when Loki killed him with the staff and they found a way to download him back into a different body?


Again, not seen the episode and won't until March unless I hunt it down myself but purely taken from what other people have written.
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Postby UniqueScreenname » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:27 pm UTC

For the episode from the 3rd:
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Is there any scientific reason why a hyperbaric chamber would revive a heartbeat and restart breathing? Keep it from getting worse, I get, but ameliorate? I see no reason for that to happen.
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Postby Carlington » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:38 am UTC

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I didn't think that seemed right either, no. I kinda put it to the side as "movie logic time" though.


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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:52 am UTC

It has HYPER in the NAME! It does WHATEVER WE WANT IT TO!

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:54 am UTC

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They were somehow using it to cool her down, which would help preserve brain function(which I remember as they said hyperbaric and I went 'what?' and then they said that they were setting it to cold, and I went 'huh, must be a fancy one that also freezes people for some reason :P). Also, I guess increasing the pressure of oxygen would be kind of equivalent to putting someone on oxygen? but really, her problem was lack of blood pressure so she really needs fluids.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SirBryghtside » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:02 am UTC

So I just finished blitzing the series. Liked it so far, was a lot better than I was expecting from general opinion.

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I have a feeling that Skye's power is going to be some sort of telepathy. They've been referencing how telekinesis doesn't exist so much that if it doesn't come up it will only serve as a damper on Marvel lore - and Skye's already been tagged as being good at psychological profiling, so discovering a telepathic ability would be a logical follow-on from that arc.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:32 am UTC

Or
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technomancy. She was remarkably blase about her insane hacking skills...

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby pseudoidiot » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:17 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:Or
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technomancy. She was remarkably blase about her insane hacking skills...
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heh, the way Hollywood generally handles it all hackers have technomancy.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:15 pm UTC

pseudoidiot wrote:
Mighty Jalapeno wrote:Or
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technomancy. She was remarkably blase about her insane hacking skills...
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heh, the way Hollywood generally handles it all hackers have technomancy.

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*tappa tappa tappa random lines of code entered into a little black window next to an FBI interface that looks like it came from the latest Star Wars game.... ACCESS GRANTED*

I was ranting to someone about 'hacker lingo' used in movies, and even as recently as LAST YEAR it still makes no sense to anyone who actually knows anything about computers, which, the last time I checked was... everyone?

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SirBryghtside » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:03 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:Or
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technomancy. She was remarkably blase about her insane hacking skills...

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That'll probably be handled along the lines of 'and this telepathy led to you being some sort of supergenius that can use terms like GUI interface without blinking'.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:04 pm UTC

SirBryghtside wrote:So I just finished blitzing the series. Liked it so far, was a lot better than I was expecting from general opinion.

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I have a feeling that Skye's power is going to be some sort of telepathy. They've been referencing how telekinesis doesn't exist so much that if it doesn't come up it will only serve as a damper on Marvel lore - and Skye's already been tagged as being good at psychological profiling, so discovering a telepathic ability would be a logical follow-on from that arc.


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I think this is quite likely, though I admit that I don't understand why, exactly, she's considered good at this. Her selection of a villain as the good guy she needed to protect from the baddies in Shield, perhaps? Or her involvement with her crazed boyfriend or...look, I just don't see her as being great at understanding people. They keep telling us how important and great Skye is, but they haven't sold it well.

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby ArgonV » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:34 pm UTC

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So what's up with the blue man? It has to be an alien, right?


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