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X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby pseudoidiot » Fri May 23, 2014 3:09 pm UTC

Watched this with a group of friends last night. Oh, wow, I had such a good time watching this movie. It felt like they took the good things about First Class and made them even better.

They did a really amazing job showcasing all the different powers. And speaking as someone that's not really that familiar with the comics I didn't feel like it was that difficult to follow all of them even if I didn't know the names of most of them. Mostly because the new mutants aren't really there as new major characters, so there's not a need to get to know them too much. You get to see what they can do and you get to see them being awesome with their powers.

Also, I'm not enough of an X-Men fan that I understood the post-credits scene. Luckily I was with friends that know much, much more about X-Men than me, so now I'm super excited about the next X-Men movie.

Going in I was a little iffy on the design on the Sentinels, but actually seeing them in action was pretty cool, especially the future versions. Those things were pretty terrifying.

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Holy shit was Quicksilver amazing. He very nearly stole the whole show and I was really disappointed when they just left him behind. But, man, the Time in a Bottle scene in the kitchen? So awesome!

Sometimes the scale of Magneto's power is kind of annoying. Like he was buried however many feet underneath the Pentagon and there was no metal in range, but then he was able to stand in the middle of a stadium and lift it up. As awesome as it was all I could think was "if he can reach to either side of the stadium with his powers, then it's hard to imagine there was no metal in range when he was imprisoned. But, whatever. That's minor and Michael Fassbender's moments as Magneto were great.

Seeing Blink in action was super awesome. All I could of was "NOW YOU'RE PLAYING WITH PORTALS". That was really awesome to see on screen.

And Apocalypse! Like I mentioned above I didn't know who it was initially but once my friend explained who it was I got pretty excited. Definitely excited to see that storyline play out, presumably in the next X-Men installment.

I imagine some people will be upset by the retcon that basically happened because of the time travel stuff, but that doesn't bother me, especially if it means bringing back some classics like Cyclops, Jean Grey, & Beast.


I'm sure I have other thoughts, but I was up late because of the release-day showing. But, yes, I really enjoyed the movie. I'd feel pretty safe saying it'll be the blockbuster of the year.
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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Woopate » Sat May 24, 2014 11:24 am UTC

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Yeah. Quicksilver stole the show with his fight scene. When they showed him watching the TV during the climax, I was expecting him to run over and help out. But yeah, speedsters are my favorite. I noticed that I for some reason, something about the future aesthetic just... bugs me. I sort of wish more development happened in the future aesthetic so that it wasn't just a "yeah we need to tie this stuff together".

Also, the big question. When did Kitty Price get Quantum Leap powers?

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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Angua » Sun May 25, 2014 8:20 pm UTC

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Yeah, we were all confused about Kitty having time travel powers too.

Quicksilver was awesome, and the powers were all pretty awesome, but over all the plot was a bit meh. I enjoyed watching the movie though - it was a lot of fun, but it did kind of feel a bit aimless.

I was expecting Magneto to shoot Mystique. Might have been a bit better. Otherwise, the headlines don't make much sense - yes, a mutant did save the president, but one also picked up a stadium, isolated the whitehouse and destroyed the president's bunker, single-handedly. How do people overlook that!!!

Looking forward to what they do with Apocalypse. My only non-movie Xmen knowledge is from X-men:evolution and apocalypse came in pretty big there.
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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Woopate » Mon May 26, 2014 12:00 am UTC

Angua wrote:
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Yeah, we were all confused about Kitty having time travel powers too.

Quicksilver was awesome, and the powers were all pretty awesome, but over all the plot was a bit meh. I enjoyed watching the movie though - it was a lot of fun, but it did kind of feel a bit aimless.

I was expecting Magneto to shoot Mystique. Might have been a bit better. Otherwise, the headlines don't make much sense - yes, a mutant did save the president, but one also picked up a stadium, isolated the whitehouse and destroyed the president's bunker, single-handedly. How do people overlook that!!!

Looking forward to what they do with Apocalypse. My only non-movie Xmen knowledge is from X-men:evolution and apocalypse came in pretty big there.

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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Angua » Mon May 26, 2014 9:18 am UTC

Something else that hit me last night:
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We never really find out much about Trask's motivations - he had so much passion for wanting to kill mutants but you just get a lot of exposition on why he thinks it's a good idea, but you don't really get a feel for why he's so hell bent on it. I guess I'm so used to movies these days giving villains a massive amount of backstory to make them sympathetic, something was bugging me about Trask the entire time and I finally put my finger on it.

I guess it's because they were more bent on characterising Mystique and Magneto?
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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Woopate » Mon May 26, 2014 1:45 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Something else that hit me last night:
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We never really find out much about Trask's motivations - he had so much passion for wanting to kill mutants but you just get a lot of exposition on why he thinks it's a good idea, but you don't really get a feel for why he's so hell bent on it. I guess I'm so used to movies these days giving villains a massive amount of backstory to make them sympathetic, something was bugging me about Trask the entire time and I finally put my finger on it.

I guess it's because they were more bent on characterising Mystique and Magneto?


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I thought that was neat. Sometimes people are violently anti-whatever for no discernible reason at all. It seemed more real to me because it was just his ideology, rather than some revenge or trauma story, and they didn't even go for the tiniest nod of "he's jealous because he suffers from dwarfism".

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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Angua » Mon May 26, 2014 2:11 pm UTC

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Oh, I'm not really complaining, I think it was more just an observation on how my thought processes went. I get a bit annoyed with things like Once Upon a Time where every single villain has a tragic backstory, and when one turned up where he doesn't, it took me a while to figure out why I thought something was off.
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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Zohar » Mon May 26, 2014 4:40 pm UTC

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About overlooking Magneto - I thought it wasn't "all mutants are great and kind because look at Mystique". I thought it was about understanding they're just as varied as humans and can be reasoned with, there's no need to go ultra-attack mode if people are willing to listen and talk.
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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Prefanity » Tue May 27, 2014 12:35 am UTC

Regarding Kitty:

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Her time traveling powers don't make a lick of sense without some sort of explanation. At first I found the lack of an explanation annoying, but I came to realize that any explanation would have been pretty silly. I treat it the same way I treat the dream machines in "Inception." Rachel Summers sends Kitty back in the comic, but how a telepath can send someone's consciousness back in time doesn't make a lick of sense either.

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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby natraj » Tue May 27, 2014 1:24 am UTC

one thing about xavier tho,

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i don't understand what he was doing in the future. at the end of the movie all the people who died in the other movies were back once they had retconned the past but xavier died in x3 and he was in the dystopian war!future, pre-retconning. like i know he projected himself into some coma-body at the end of x3 or whatever, but then why was patrick stewart still playing him, that body got disintegrated. i mean clearly patrick stewart is way more awesome than whoever else comaguy was and then they wouldn't have bromance moments with him and ian mckellan but i don't understand how he got there.
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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Angua » Tue May 27, 2014 7:33 am UTC

natraj wrote:one thing about xavier tho,

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i don't understand what he was doing in the future. at the end of the movie all the people who died in the other movies were back once they had retconned the past but xavier died in x3 and he was in the dystopian war!future, pre-retconning. like i know he projected himself into some coma-body at the end of x3 or whatever, but then why was patrick stewart still playing him, that body got disintegrated. i mean clearly patrick stewart is way more awesome than whoever else comaguy was and then they wouldn't have bromance moments with him and ian mckellan but i don't understand how he got there.

Had completely forgotten about that. I didn't rewatch anything before watching this movie.

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Maybe he was telepathically making everyone see him as prof X so people would trust him more.
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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Zarq » Tue May 27, 2014 10:59 am UTC

natraj wrote:one thing about xavier tho,

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i don't understand what he was doing in the future. at the end of the movie all the people who died in the other movies were back once they had retconned the past but xavier died in x3 and he was in the dystopian war!future, pre-retconning. like i know he projected himself into some coma-body at the end of x3 or whatever, but then why was patrick stewart still playing him, that body got disintegrated. i mean clearly patrick stewart is way more awesome than whoever else comaguy was and then they wouldn't have bromance moments with him and ian mckellan but i don't understand how he got there.


Spoiler:
It was his twin brother. Seriously.


I liked the movie, but the time travel didn't make any sense.

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Why did the Sentinel future disappear at that exact moment?


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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Chen » Tue May 27, 2014 11:34 am UTC

Zarq wrote:
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It was his twin brother. Seriously.


That's the comic explanation. The post-credits scene in "The Wolverine" shows Logan see Xavier say "how is this possible" and Xavier replies with a "you're not the only one with powers". And that's it. That's all the explanation that's given as to how he's there and its still Patrick Stewart.

I liked the movie, but the time travel didn't make any sense.

Spoiler:
Why did the Sentinel future disappear at that exact moment?


QuickSilver and Blink were awesome.


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That's a typical time travel issue. Presumably it wouldn't have mattered if the Sentinel had killed them all and then the time line disappeared after. Wolverine had already done his thing and was no longer a part of the past that was determining if the sentinels would be created or not (being at the bottom of the river). So even if he stopped time traveling at that point, things would have played out the same. Presumably they made the future disappear exactly at that time since it's more dramatic and cinematic.


I agree Quicksilver and Blink were pretty awesome. People seemed to be using their powers pretty intelligently in this movie actually. That's kinda rare for super hero movies/tv shows.

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Re: X-Men: Days of Future Past

Postby Angua » Tue May 27, 2014 1:01 pm UTC

[quote="Zarq

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It was his twin brother. Seriously.


I liked the movie, but the time travel didn't make any sense.

Spoiler:
Why did the Sentinel future disappear at that exact moment?


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I think it's because that's when Kitty stopped doing her thing. If Wolverine woke up, or Kitty stopped (which maybe wakes him up) then the two timelines diverge and the present gets erased.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

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Chen wrote:
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That's a typical time travel issue. Presumably it wouldn't have mattered if the Sentinel had killed them all and then the time line disappeared after. Wolverine had already done his thing and was no longer a part of the past that was determining if the sentinels would be created or not (being at the bottom of the river). So even if he stopped time traveling at that point, things would have played out the same. Presumably they made the future disappear exactly at that time since it's more dramatic and cinematic.


Hell, he wasn't really doing much after his pep talk to Professor X.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Chen » Fri May 30, 2014 12:56 pm UTC

The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:
Chen wrote:
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That's a typical time travel issue. Presumably it wouldn't have mattered if the Sentinel had killed them all and then the time line disappeared after. Wolverine had already done his thing and was no longer a part of the past that was determining if the sentinels would be created or not (being at the bottom of the river). So even if he stopped time traveling at that point, things would have played out the same. Presumably they made the future disappear exactly at that time since it's more dramatic and cinematic.


Hell, he wasn't really doing much after his pep talk to Professor X.


Eh he still was doing enough before facing Magneto that had he disappeared before that it could have been way different

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If he wasn't in that final battle, the sentinel might have killed Beast, which means the Sentinel wouldn't have turned on Magneto and thus Mystique wouldn't have had the opportunity to shoot him

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby nitePhyyre » Fri May 30, 2014 5:14 pm UTC

While I enjoyed the movie, I never really bought in to the premise. The sentinals simply aren't powerful enough to be an existential threat. Even with the ability to alter themselves, I'm just not buying it. Being able to turn yourself into fire to fight an ice guy, or turn yourself into ice to to fight a fire guy, or turn yourself into hard 'metal' to prevent physical damage, doesn't help your planes fly through one of Storm's category 11 hurricanes. It doesn't help you defend yourself from Quicksilver, or any other speedster. The speeds he was going in the kitchen scene had to be at the higher ends of relativistic speeds. Just throw a rock at that speed and it is over for the sentinals. They were made out of polymers to be safe from Magneto. Are you telling me there is no one with the equivalent power but for plastic? I don't buy it.

All of that is nothing compared to Blink, however. She is a perpetual motion machine of the 1st kind. She is just insanely overpowered. Remember the relativistic baseball what-if? When Randall says
Let’s set aside the question of how we got the baseball moving that fast. We'll suppose it's a normal pitch, except in the instant the pitcher releases the ball, it magically accelerates to 0.9c. From that point onward, everything proceeds according to normal physics.
Blink is the magic he's talking about. All she really has to do is drop a baseball (or several thousand) and teleport it out into space. Keep the portals open and just let them undergo constant acceleration. When you need destruction, make a new portal to what you want destroyed, problem solved.

Or just teleport the sentinals.
Teleport them into the bottom of the Mariana's Trench.
Teleport them into the earth's crust.
Teleport them into space.

Hell, just have Gambit touch a sentinel.

Sure, the sentinels can take out Beast and the other underpowered mutants. But there's no way they are an existential threat to the combined forces of humanity and mutants. I'm not buying that for a second.

Angua wrote:We never really find out much about Trask's motivations - he had so much passion for wanting to kill mutants but you just get a lot of exposition on why he thinks it's a good idea, but you don't really get a feel for why he's so hell bent on it. I guess I'm so used to movies these days giving villains a massive amount of backstory to make them sympathetic, something was bugging me about Trask the entire time and I finally put my finger on it.
They do give his motivations, IMO. In the one scene where he is reading from one of Professor X's papers. Where it goes on about how when homo sapiens showed up we wiped out the neanderthal. Now that homo superior have showed up, they'll wipe out the homo sapiens.

Trask agrees with Xavier. What more do you need be motivated besides 'preventing the genocide of your people'? That was one of the things that I really liked about it. He didn't hate the mutants. It wasn't the case that a mutant killed his parents so he wants revenge. Or that he was jealous of their mutation as compared to his. Or that he was the father of a mutant, or a mutant himself, and that he was trying to hide that fact through hatred. He wasn't even really a bigot who hated them simply because they were different. He didn't even seem to genuinely hate them. He genuinely believed that the existence of the two species were mutually exclusive. Us or Them. And he's probably even correct in that belief. At times he even seemed dismayed by the fact that he thought they needed to be destroyed.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Angua » Fri May 30, 2014 6:09 pm UTC

I didn't really feel that to be honest. Though maybe it's because I don't see it as an US or a Them, because that's not how evolution works. The Neanderthals interbred with humans, and the humans interbreed with the mutants and all the DNA gets mixed up anyhow into a new mutant species. But it doesn't mean homo sapiens has lost anything.

I really do think he was just a bigot who hated them because they are different.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

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Angua wrote:I didn't really feel that to be honest. Though maybe it's because I don't see it as an US or a Them, because that's not how evolution works. The Neanderthals interbred with humans, and the humans interbreed with the mutants and all the DNA gets mixed up anyhow into a new mutant species. But it doesn't mean homo sapiens has lost anything.

I really do think he was just a bigot who hated them because they are different.

I know that, you know but Trask seemingly didn't. Which means the writers didn't know, did not expect the general audience to know or simply don't care about having bad writing. Then if we look at Simon Kinberg writing credits we can't really tell which of those three it is, but can tell the he pretty consistently is involved in projects with pretty terrible writing. The safest assumption is that Simon isn't particularly thoughtful, knowledgeable or clever about any of the material he writes. So while Trask's belief is pretty stupid, making his argument really stupid it does seem like the most genuine motivation of the character, it just happens to be a stupid one.

Its really to bad sony and fox aren't willing to give up their rights to spider-man or x-men respectively, or at least get writers who will treat the IP with a bit more respect.
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nitePhyyre wrote:Or just teleport the sentinals.
Teleport them into the bottom of the Mariana's Trench.
Teleport them into the earth's crust.
Teleport them into space.

FWIW,
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In one of the sentinel battles, a Sentinel stabs Blink(?) through one of the portals, and gets its arm cut off as it closes. Given that, I don't think you have to put them anywhere - just slice them into bits.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

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nitePhyyre wrote:Or just teleport the sentinals.
Teleport them into the bottom of the Mariana's Trench.
Teleport them into the earth's crust.
Teleport them into space.

FWIW,
Spoiler:
In one of the sentinel battles, a Sentinel stabs Blink(?) through one of the portals, and gets its arm cut off as it closes. Given that, I don't think you have to put them anywhere - just slice them into bits.

Spoiler:
Portal 1 in a horizontal plane through the Sentinel's body, portal 2 in a vertical plane bisecting Portal 1. If what happens in Portal the game happens in that instance (sort of a crazy grid thing), instant disintegration. If. The portals can't intersect because magic, you could still chop them into 3 bits by doing 2 horizontal planes, one a foot or two above the other, and canceling both. Unless for some reason there's a density limitation on the matter you bisect while forming portals.

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Chen » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:40 pm UTC

Woopate wrote:
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Portal 1 in a horizontal plane through the Sentinel's body, portal 2 in a vertical plane bisecting Portal 1. If what happens in Portal the game happens in that instance (sort of a crazy grid thing), instant disintegration. If. The portals can't intersect because magic, you could still chop them into 3 bits by doing 2 horizontal planes, one a foot or two above the other, and canceling both. Unless for some reason there's a density limitation on the matter you bisect while forming portals.


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Even with the limitation of not creating portal on things, just dropping horizontal portals right at their feet so they fall into them and close them halfway would work fine. She was managing to catch them with vertical portals for a bit near the end. I don't see why it would be an issue.

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Whizbang » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:45 pm UTC

Open a portal right in front of a target with the other end opened to the bottom of the ocean or even down where things are hot and liquid-y. Should take care of anything.

The problem I see with portals, if you want to survive traveling through them that is, is that there needs to be a pressure curtain of some kind. Otherwise you open a portal from the top of a mountain down to sea level and you'll get blown backwards before you can enter it. Same with the other way around, though you'll get sucked in.

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Diadem » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:16 pm UTC

What are the limits on her power? The movie didn't really say, but I assumed she could only open portals in places she can see. So making portals into fountains of magma is probably not within her abilities.

I didn't feel unrealistic that hundreds of sentinels could defeat the few remaining mutants, especially if the sentinels were designed to specifically counter their powers. I did kind of wonder how the mutants ended up losing the war in the first place though. Surely it should have been pretty trivial for a group of mutants to assassinate all the human leadership in the first hours of the war. The speedster guy (Quicksilver?) could have done it alone.

Which is my second gripe with the movie. Why the fuck leave him behind? He could have literally walked in, dragged Mystique out, and solved the entire problem in 5 minutes. Why even go to the trouble of liberating Magneto? And later in the movie he could have walked in, destroyed all of Mystique's blood samples, and again solve the entire problem in 5 minutes. And near the end he could have knocked out Magneto at any point during the final fight.

This is always a problem when people have different levels of superpowers. Agents of Shield has the same problem. Coulson's team is pretty impressive, but why not simply call Tony Stark and wrap the entire season's plot up in the first 5 minutes of the pilot episode?
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Whizbang » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:23 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:This is always a problem when people have different levels of superpowers. Agents of Shield has the same problem. Coulson's team is pretty impressive, but why not simply call Tony Stark and wrap the entire season's plot up in the first 5 minutes of the pilot episode?


Tony was busy at the time. He was designing the sentinels to defeat the mutants.

Re: Gambit
Someone mentioned earlier about Gambit just walking up and touching one of the sentinels. I think I remember that he can only make small items explosive. There is probably an energy expense when converting the matter and that cost may go up exponentially. So a single playing card, no problem. 30 tons of iron and mechanics? Probably hard to do. Also, could you imagine the explosion? Might be some collateral damage there.

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby EMTP » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:32 pm UTC

nitePhyyre wrote:While I enjoyed the movie, I never really bought in to the premise. The sentinals simply aren't powerful enough to be an existential threat.


One of the first modern stories about a "super" (not counting Samson and such) was "The Invisible Man." One of the interesting themes in that book was how super powers weren't any match for the disadvantage of placing yourself at odds with the community. The invisible man seemed powerful -- able to go anywhere, assassinate anyone, hold governments and wealthy individuals hostage -- but once he tried to execute on his homo superior plan, homo sapiens cheerfully set packs of dogs on him and strewed broken glass on the roads.

A cohesive force of thousands or millions of Sentinels -- backed at the outset by humanity -- could certainly pose an existential threat to powerful mutants who could win dozens or hundreds of fights at the cost of one mutant, and still lose in the long run.

Remember that armies need not only offensive punch but supplies, bases of operations, scouts, and nurses and doctors. All vulnerable to surprise attacks, to treason, to weapons of mass destruction.

Perhaps the Sentinels and their human (initial) masters succeeded in exploiting the divisions within the mutant community itself, as colonialists in Africa, Asia and the Americas frequently did, recruiting one tribe to help wipe out their traditional enemies. Mutants have obvious advantages as a rebel force, but there is no reason to think they would be immune to the downfall of so many rebel movements: spending more time and energy fighting each other than they do their common enemy.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:03 pm UTC

nitePhyyre wrote:The speeds he was going in the kitchen scene had to be at the higher ends of relativistic speeds.

I haven't seen the film. Are you sure he was moving that fast?

I ask because his speed, after being enhanced, still tops out at around 12,000 kph, making him one of the more realistic speedsters in comics (the most realistic one being Running Guy from the Tick who is as fast as ten fast men). Light moves at 1,080,000 kph. Given that this apparently took place in a kitchen, I'm pretty sure 12,000,000 meters per second would look stupidly fast and possibly mistaken for something approaching a billion meters per second.

... I also am pretty sure that a rock thrown at mach 10 would damn near obliterate anything it hit along with itself too.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Chen » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:44 pm UTC

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nitePhyyre wrote:The speeds he was going in the kitchen scene had to be at the higher ends of relativistic speeds.

I haven't seen the film. Are you sure he was moving that fast?

I ask because his speed, after being enhanced, still tops out at around 12,000 kph, making him one of the more realistic speedsters in comics (the most realistic one being Running Guy from the Tick who is as fast as ten fast men). Light moves at 1,080,000 kph. Given that this apparently took place in a kitchen, I'm pretty sure 12,000,000 meters per second would look stupidly fast and possibly mistaken for something approaching a billion meters per second.

... I also am pretty sure that a rock thrown at mach 10 would damn near obliterate anything it hit along with itself too.


The scene was about 2 minutes long I'd say. Bullets traveled about 3-5 meters I'd say in that time. Lets take a muzzle velocity of about 400 m/s (roughly a 44 magnum). That means the 2 minute scene all took place in about 1/100th of a second. During that time put his headphones and goggles on, moved between the targets by running around the circumference of the room, stopped, did various things to them (disarming, hitting, posing etc) and intercepted the 5 or so bullets and moved them so they avoided hitting anyone. Im pretty sure that's significantly above the 12000 kph speed you mentioned. I don't know if its at relativistic levels though.

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:21 pm UTC

For easy math and giving him a high estimate for his speed, let's assume he had 1000 meters of movement in 100th of a second. So one kilometer. So 100 kilometers per second.

So 360,000 kph. Well-above his comic book Mach 10, but still well below light speed. At least, I'd consider a third the speed of light to be well below it.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Diadem » Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:22 pm UTC

Light moves at 300,000 kilometers per second or 1,080,000,000 kilometers per hour. You're a factor 1000 off. A 100 km/s is only about 1/3000 of the speed of light, not even remotely relativistic yet.

Of course at 100 km/s his kinetic energy is enough to destroy everything in the room.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby mosc » Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:36 pm UTC

I have to smile when somebody is upset about the physics of a super hero. The guy would rip the ground apart taking a step that had enough force in it to accelerate him like that. He literally couldn't get the traction! He's clearly moving by means of shifting slightly out of our dimensional reality (lol) so his effects on matter are not deterministic.

Reminds me of when superman fills in for Jackie Robinson or somesuch comic goodness and hits a pitched ball into space and somebody complains the ball/bat would explode. Of course it would explode. So would the ground underneath him after he takes off after it and THAT never bothered you before. HA!
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:39 pm UTC

Superman has telekinesis that reinforces objects that he holds, which is why ships and airplanes don't shatter when he picks them up. And is why a baseball bat and ball would not be obliterated on impact - the telekinesis would keep the bat intact and transfer long enough to the ball to keep it from fragmenting as well.

I am not making that up.

The Flash over on DC side - all of them, even the ones not named Flash - utilize an other-worldly energy force in order to do what they do which might as well just read as "Magic"

Outside of Running Guy, Quicksilver's the only one I know who moved at relatively realistic speeds, in that he used to tap out at mach 1. That has since increased, though I am unsure of the mechanism of how he doesn't obliterate everything else at this time..other than Magic Mutation.

At any rate, don't get me started on the internal consistency rant. So long as it's internally consistent, it doesn't matter.

Light moves at 300,000 kilometers per second or 1,080,000,000 kilometers per hour.


I are bad at reading "1,080 million KPH" correctly.

Basically, I'm shit at reading numbers that mix their fucking terminology midway through. That's my excuse.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Woopate » Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:59 am UTC

Someone asked about Blink's limitations, and I looked them up earlier. She can teleport, partial object teleport, group teleport, and generate portals up to 100 miles. Line of sight isn't a problem. Couldn't find anything about a maximum number of concurrent portals.

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Diadem » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:05 am UTC

Woopate wrote:Someone asked about Blink's limitations, and I looked them up earlier. She can teleport, partial object teleport, group teleport, and generate portals up to 100 miles. Line of sight isn't a problem. Couldn't find anything about a maximum number of concurrent portals.

Wait, she can teleport groups for up to a 100 miles?

Then what was the point of that first fight? They could have all just jumped to safety at the first sign of trouble, and then, if necessary, gone back in time without any rush.

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Zohar » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:41 am UTC

No one said her powers are the same in the movie as they are in the comics. I'm not sure why you would assume she'd have the same powers - she's basically adapted from the comics, but I don't think she's a duplicate.
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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Woopate » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:42 am UTC

I think they cut her teleporting altogether. Partial object teleportation means she could have just broken the Sentinels apart VERY fast regardless of what they were made of, plus group teleport offers the evacuation method as you said. And portal effects are cooler eye candy.

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Zcorp » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:43 am UTC

This claims she her range is to the moon.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Clarice_Ferguson_(Earth-616)

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Woopate » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:57 am UTC

...perhaps the article I found was outdated. Though it did say "under normal circumstances" did she get an overdrive or something when(if) she made her moonshot?

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Zcorp » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:28 am UTC

I don't know the character well, just read that wiki on her. I'm not claiming that wiki is right either, was just providing it.

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Re: X-Men: Future Days of Past

Postby Woopate » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:15 am UTC

Seems like she's pretty much a Boba Fett then.


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