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Black Mirror

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:24 am UTC

I'm almost finished with this show, only six episodes, but holy shit I absolutely love it. Kind of Twilight Zone with a Sophies Choice bend. The future tech is well played and the acting is pretty solid. The endings are abrupt and painful, harsh and fairly thought provoking.

I felt the first two episodes were somewhat similar -
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The notion of debasing your values for someone else, as well as the idea of responsibilities requiring everything we are. I loved Bings rant, and the look on the prime ministers face as he walked down the hallway.


Episode three and four -
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Living in the past instead of the moment, and how memories can destroy us. Rough stuff.

Thoughts?
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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Mokele » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:56 am UTC

I actually really like it (and also like the original Twilight Zone).

However, that said, this site parodies it pretty well, to the point that my wife and I will just randomly look at each other super-seriously and say "What if phones, but too much?"
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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:29 pm UTC

Ha! That does seem pretty spot on. There's a definite theme/vibe to the way the show plays out.

And I've really liked the tech inclusion, though you're absolutely right that the 'me am go too far!' issue is a bit of a crutch.
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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Mokele » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:11 pm UTC

Well, I'm not sure it's a crutch, so much as just easy to make fun of. Part of what makes shows like Black Mirror and Twilight Zone fun is that you *know* there's going to be a twist or message or somesuch, and you try to figure out what it is. Are they pawns in some alien's game? What's the secret of this creepy little town? Is the alien text a cookbook? Without that element, it would just be dull.

That said, I really miss Rod Serling's introductions.
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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:18 pm UTC

I don't think Black Mirror has a twist as much as a 'and these are the ramifications of their actions'. Hence the shows title, too.
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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:51 pm UTC

White Bear - Holy fuck that twist was hard to stomach.

Waldo - Kind of weak, I felt, though, yes, 'What if [digitaltechnology], but too much???!'
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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Mokele » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:43 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:White Bear - Holy fuck that twist was hard to stomach.


Yeah, that's why I didn't reply until now. :wink:
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Re: Black Mirror

Postby freezeblade » Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:56 pm UTC

This show is awesome, but I can only take a few episodes at a time, because it makes me depressed. Like, holy shit, some of the ones on the first season are just, oh man. I can't even.
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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Flumble » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:56 pm UTC

To those who don't know yet: there's a new episode since last christmas. It has multiple stories brought together perfectly. :D

Izawwlgood wrote:Thoughts?

Marvelous.

Specifically towards the episodes White Bear and White Christmas. Not because they are the grimmest, but they provoked me the most.
White Bear
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was basically daily torture of an empty "shell" (she didn't know anything at the start of the day and I'm not even sure if she remembered at the end of the day) and the audience loved it. That audience is missing a critical part in justice vs revenge (or plain sadism; most people in that audience probably don't have vengeful feelings but see an easy victim and encouraged kicking). :cry:

Moreover, I really detested the emotional instability (all the –seemingly needless– crying) until the reveal.

White Christmas
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in the same way disregards ethics towards "shadows" (the brain clones) by torturing them into compliance. I'm not sure these half-assed clones must be regarded as humans, but there should be basic rights for them. If you really need entities to relieve people of their destructive tendencies (in a technologically advanced and very libertarian society), make a 3D environment and some behaviour scripts. No humans, animals or intelligences of such complexity shall be harmed unnecessarily.

Anyway, I liked the blocking mechanism. However, it was faaaar too easy to use it. Nowadays it's possible to get a restraining order, but this requires a judge to evaluate the situation and to grant the order. I know, a lot of restraining orders are granted without good reason, but in the episode you needed no reason or court at all.


Fifteen Million Merits comes in third for me, in part because of the penguin. I liked the penguin.

Izawwlgood wrote:Waldo - Kind of weak, I felt, though, yes, 'What if [digitaltechnology], but too much???!'

Maybe it fits as an opening episode? It's lighter than National Anthem, but then again, it's not nearly as (thought-)provoking as other episodes.

freezeblade wrote:This show is awesome, but I can only take a few episodes at a time, because it makes me depressed. Like, holy shit, some of the ones on the first season are just, oh man. I can't even.

If by "some" you mean more than one, it's already the majority of the first season. :P
That's the worst thing about Black Mirror: the episodes take so long to produce. Then again, there's no huge budget and the quality is great!

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Re: Black Mirror

Postby chad23 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:15 am UTC

I've watched the first episode so far and I really liked it. People are always looking for bread and circuses and new technologies can bring this to the new level. And of course keynote about values and personal responsibility is strong. Will definitely watch other episodes.

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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Flumble » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:44 pm UTC

Bumping because this series (=in the strictest sense of the word) deserves more watchers and because Netflix has recently bought/funded the production of a whole 12 more episodes!

Although, producing 12 episodes in one go, whereas the current 7 episodes took years to complete and were broadcast in runs of three, does beg the question whether they can hold up to expectations.

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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:15 pm UTC

Woooooo!
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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Yubtzock » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:16 pm UTC

Aw Yiss!

Flumble wrote:Although, producing 12 episodes in one go, whereas the current 7 episodes took years to complete and were broadcast in runs of three, does beg the question whether they can hold up to expectations.

If, out of those 12, there are 3 as good as the previous ones, I'll be satisfied. Bonus 9 decent to mediocre ones are just going to be icing on the cake.
They wouldn't make it into a procedural now, would they?

Other thoughts:
Two-parters are now possible. Maybe a story or two will benefit from bumping it up to nearly feature length.
They might cut the length of each episode a bit at the same time.

Either way, I can't wait for more stories about the "black mirrors of our phones, but too much". :D

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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Flumble » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:28 am UTC

Oh right, the new season has been out for half a year now. Time to get a-watchin'.
Scanning some reviews, it seems that the 3rd installment is as good as the previous two. :D (no I haven't watched it yet, I'm just voicing excitement to bump the thread and let you know this series exists or maybe lure you into responding if you have already seen the 3rd season)

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Re: Black Mirror

Postby Flumble » Thu May 18, 2017 10:07 pm UTC

3 episodes of season 3 seen so far and it's absolutely great! :D

The first episode is a test: can you stomach 60 minutes of cringy faked happiness and interaction? It turns out that if you have a people-rating app, everyone (above a 0.8) is going to act like a youtube vlogger in real life. :shock:
It's too bad it ends at the end and doesn't show the aftermath. I'd like to see whether our main character changes afterwards.

The second episode is a good horror story. Of course, because it's about simulation, it's going to include multiple layers and the "is this reality or are we still in a simulation" question.
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Also the main person's greatest fear is really relatable to me, for it is Alzheimer's —a living mind in a dying body is one thing, a dying mind in a living body is another.
And it was nice how they put a "Would you kindly" in there. :wink: (still need to play the bioshocks)


But the third episode is the most thrilling one (so far, and will probably keep that title), despite/because of being contemporary and close to non-fiction. After accepting the characters' choice to not go to the police but hoping the criminals will play fair*, I got very much invested in the main character. His emotions were so vivid and his fears of losing face so tangible.
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Moral of the story: assume any compromised information will be used against you, so go to the police instead in an effort to catch the criminals behind it. For people who expect the criminals to play fair, the end is a punch in the gut. But it was to be expected. The trollface was appropriate for another reason too, since the criminals didn't get any loot out of it. It was purely for teh lulz.


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Fourth episode has a complete change of heart: it's a "what if technology but exactly the right amount" story -it even has a good ending. It's not only refreshing to have an episode in which technology and society have advanced, but it has arguably the best storytelling of all episodes. :D
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*and getting a malware removal tool while the system is infected —utterly stupid: either you know how to wipe the whole system or you go to a computer store to get it fixed. Also, you don't watch child porn, you just watch anime and read hentai (they're only technically over 18). It may be barely a substitute, but it keeps you away from illegality and robs the creators of child porn of their audience.


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