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Jupiter....going up?

Postby Drumheller769 » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:12 pm UTC

So I saw the movie Jupiter Ascending on Friday. I thought it was decent, but wished it had been even and hour longer with more plot and story(Its only 2 hours long). If you like great visuals and don't mind bad plot, this is a great movie to see, the visuals and sound were amazing in 3-D I-Max.

Has anyone else seen this yet?
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby maybeagnostic » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:15 pm UTC

I enjoyed it quite a bit. The CGI was gorgeous but a few of the action scenes dragged on too long and the movie would have greatly benefited from dropping 20-30 minutes of expensive CGI for more plot. As is, it didn't have too much of a story but there were some aspects of it that left me thinking significant parts are just missing. For example,
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the whole movie is framed in terms of Jupiter's relationship to her family. It starts with an introduction of her family and the hardships of her daily life, we move into a sequence of largely inconsequential action scenes then she meets each member of her "space family" individually and for a climax she chooses her family over joining the powerful space dynasty she was (maybe?) given the right to lead. Movie ends with her living happily on Earth and everyone seems to have forgotten she became Empress of the Universe or whatever. So it seems to me that the main conflict was meant to be a choice between her old life and the opportunity to become a 0.0000001-percenter but, if that was indeed the case, it wasn't presented in a very compelling way. Jupiter is never tempted to commit genocide on a planetary scale or even to use the rejuvenating treatments. Really, the Abraxas family didn't seem all that evil despite the cullings and none of the main characters ever meaningfully opposed or critized the practice anyway. Sure, Balem was unhinged but... I just feel like that crucial aspect of the story should have been told much better. Doesn't help that her family is entirely forgotten for the majority of the movie and it never seems to influence her decisions anyway. Really, the movie was centered around Jupiter but she never took any stance or action and instead just went along with the flow.

In smaller ways, Stinger's daughter and Caine's hatred of nobles are side plots that go nowhere. Technically they are resolved but they feel completely superfluous and I assume there was supposed to be more to it.
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:20 pm UTC

Yea, I kinda got the feeling that if it took off, then Jupiter Ascending Vol 2 - The Plot, would be the next movie.
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Andries » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:32 pm UTC

I am staying away from this one. Yet another movie with a silly plot and great fx. Is the assumption that if you watch SF, you are 12 years old? :evil:

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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Gelsamel » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:30 pm UTC

Saw a review that criticised this movie pretty hard. Probably won't see it. But some of the scenes in the footage shown during the review really reminded me of Birdy the Mighty. Anyone else get that feeling?
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby EdgarJPublius » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:21 am UTC

It was very... pretty. I mean, pretty much all of the scenes set off-earth were gorgeous, so it has that going for it.

Sean Bean plays a space-sheriff who is part bee, named Stinger Apini and that is fantastic.

There's a whole Terry Gilliam-esque space-bureaucracy scene which was pretty great too.

I felt the action was mostly pretty meh though. There's one scene in particular where the protagonists steal a space-fighter-thingy from the antagonists and a massive chase/dog-fight ensues. But the Fighter-Thingy we're supposed to be rooting for is completely indistinguishable from the others and there's never any sort of attempt to establish which is which. They swap sides of the screen frequently and when we get cuts to the interior of either Fighter, they're all shot from the same angle and feel completely disconnected from any of the action.

There were a few cool fights with Channing 'Space-Boots' Tatum. But the whole movie was overfull of fights and chases, most of which were incomprehensible or just boring.

It's a shame because if they cut, shortened or generally streamlined all the action, they might have been able to fit in a bunch of the left-out story and wrapped up the dangling plot-threads. I left the theater with a lot of questions about the world and story that I genuinely want answered.

Finally, the ending felt unearned and unsatisfying.

I hear a lot people saying that the movie got butchered in editing and that a directors-cut DVD release will be forthcoming with all the plot and story stuff left in. I hope that's true because this movie certainly does feel like a lot of great material was left on the cutting room floor.
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby pseudoidiot » Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:46 am UTC

I kinda felt like they may have originally pitched it as a trilogy. And the studio was like... uh, no, not again. We're not giving you that much money to try for a trilogy again. Make it fit in a single installment.

Hell, the 2nd and 3rd acts (the two brothers) were damn near the same thing.

Overall, it was kind of a fun spectacle. There were some decent performances. The story was about as generic as they come. It was sort of a Disney prince saves Disney princess in space. Except the princess maybe had a *bit* more agency in Jupiter Ascending. But not by much.

I think with a bit of tweaking it could have been a fairly solid summer blockbuster/popcorn action sci fi movie.

I wish the rest of the movie had been more like the first act. Once they left Earth about the only thing it had going for it were the visuals. Which just isn't quite enough to make me care when the story is distractingly unoriginal, which really wasn't helped by the oldest brother's performance. It's not often someone's performance annoys me enough to take me completely out of what I'm watching.

Also, I really wanted to see more visuals akin to the mercenaries at the beginning of the movie. They had a super awesome cyberpunk vibe that I wanted to see more of.
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby maybeagnostic » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:41 am UTC

EdgarJPublius wrote:I hear a lot people saying that the movie got butchered in editing and that a directors-cut DVD release will be forthcoming with all the plot and story stuff left in. I hope that's true because this movie certainly does feel like a lot of great material was left on the cutting room floor.

I do hope that's the case. A King Of Heaven-like Director's cut that not only adds some important scenes but makes many of the existing ones more interesting and significant when seen in their proper context. I kinda doubt it though.
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby PolakoVoador » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:08 pm UTC

Agree with most of the opinions on the thread: amazing visuals (specially 3D IMAX), but plot and dialogue are really meh.

I find the hypothesis of it being pitched as a trilogy quite likely. There was way too much world building crammed in a 2h movie.

I also got the impression that Chaney Tatum's role in the film was mainly be shirtless for most of it.

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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Sprocket » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:48 pm UTC

I thought this was being touted as "so bad it's good" I have basically a very low opinion of CGI and effects and such. They are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS to me if the actual content of the movie doesn't appeal. If you just want to have cool CGI without having to have a good story and characters, make a music video or a short or something instead of feature length film.
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:46 am UTC

I thought the main selling point was "it has whatshername looking pretty for 2 hours"

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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:19 pm UTC

No it was all about Gravity BootsTM
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:50 pm UTC

Space Beaucracy and goddamned bees, man.

Also, putting a maxi pad on a vulcan-eared wingless wolf half-albino. That's what's really important.

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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:56 pm UTC

Gunna copy a post I made on reddit:
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Watching the review I'm getting vibes of Birdy the Mighty.

It has the same idea of normal every day life + other planet sci fi stuff with dog and lizard people (and other stuff). Also Birdy's feet tend to glow/spark when she is running around. They also have the arm energy shield things.

I know the Wachowskis watch anime but I feel like they should have taken more inspiration from Birdy given how crappy this one looks.


Wondering if anyone has seen both and can confirm the similarities. The review I watched said that the Wachowskis said it is supposed to be a fusion of everyday life and sci fi (which is EXACTLY the premise of Birdy the Mighty).

Edit: Watching the review again and literally every single combat scene I think "Wow this reminds me of Birdy the Mighty".
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Postby Zohar » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:50 am UTC

This was a terrible film and incredibly entertaining. I don't know how they managed to convince someone to throw so much money at them for this steaming pile of manure but I'm SO HAPPY about it.
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby natraj » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:46 pm UTC

yeah i have pretty much the same feeling. i spent basically the entire movie alternately like *_* :D! and then biting at my partner's arm just so i wouldn't crack up.

it was the most delightful thing i have seen in a while. some reviews i was reading by people on tumblr said things to the effect of it was basically like the most twinky egregious of everyone's worst OCs from all their fanfics they wrote as teenagers and i don't think that is far wrong.

i just don't even know where to start with this ridiculousness but if you don't care much about character development or dialogue or plots that make any kind of sense it is definitely 100% worth seeing.

a satisfying amount of stuff blows up.
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Postby Sprocket » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:28 pm UTC

natraj wrote:yeah i have pretty much the same feeling. i spent basically the entire movie alternately like *_* :D! and then biting at my partner's arm just so i wouldn't crack up.

it was the most delightful thing i have seen in a while. some reviews i was reading by people on tumblr said things to the effect of it was basically like the most twinky egregious of everyone's worst OCs from all their fanfics they wrote as teenagers and i don't think that is far wrong.

i just don't even know where to start with this ridiculousness but if you don't care much about character development or dialogue or plots that make any kind of sense it is definitely 100% worth seeing.

a satisfying amount of stuff blows up.

So it had a sort of Barbarella appeal? I'm game if it's playing this week. But not tomorrow.
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Jorpho » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:35 am UTC

It made me think of The Chronicles of Riddick in particular, and to some extent The Fifth Element and Flash Gordon – all part of a grand tradition of ludicrously-overblown and nigh-incomprehensible sci-fi epics. (That reminds me, I still have to watch Dune one of these days.)

EdgarJPublius wrote:There's a whole Terry Gilliam-esque space-bureaucracy scene which was pretty great too.
Oh yes, probably my favorite part, out-of-place as it was. (I lol'ed at twenty-seven-b-stroke-6.)

I felt the action was mostly pretty meh though. There's one scene in particular where the protagonists steal a space-fighter-thingy from the antagonists and a massive chase/dog-fight ensues. But the Fighter-Thingy we're supposed to be rooting for is completely indistinguishable from the others and there's never any sort of attempt to establish which is which. They swap sides of the screen frequently and when we get cuts to the interior of either Fighter, they're all shot from the same angle and feel completely disconnected from any of the action.
Much agreed. What a waste.

I hear a lot people saying that the movie got butchered in editing and that a directors-cut DVD release will be forthcoming with all the plot and story stuff left in. I hope that's true because this movie certainly does feel like a lot of great material was left on the cutting room floor.
I suppose we can expect at least two attempts at trying to salvage a slightly saner version on video. A lot of the cuts had an air of pleading desperation to them. ("You didn't need to see what happened there! It was boring, trust us! Watch this bit instead, it's cool! Please? How about some more of Mila Kunis falling?")

PolakoVoador wrote:I also got the impression that Chaney Tatum's role in the film was mainly be shirtless for most of it.
Having missed almost all of the marketing, I completely forgot he was a big-name star until the end credits. Sure, he's built, but his physique looks like the sort of thing feasibly attainable by mere mortals. Maybe there was another exercise montage left on the cutting-room floor as well.

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Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:43 pm UTC

Jorpho wrote:
PolakoVoador wrote:I also got the impression that Chaney Tatum's role in the film was mainly be shirtless for most of it.
Having missed almost all of the marketing, I completely forgot he was a big-name star until the end credits. Sure, he's built, but his physique looks like the sort of thing feasibly attainable by mere mortals. Maybe there was another exercise montage left on the cutting-room floor as well.


Well, he's only half albino, so I guess that explains that. :lol:

He did have a role, though. Fixing literally everything the female protaganist screws up, and then catching her as she falls. Just that, over and over again. Plotwriting finished, hurrah!

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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Flumble » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:22 pm UTC

This is a great example of a space opera. I don't know what "space opera" actually means, but I like using that term to describe this kind of film, like Fifth Element and that one episode of Doctor Who. It has the most ridiculous combination of settings/costumes and the plot is simply "go from here to there to there to there... and then return, end". And in this case, the plot is also chopped into pretty clear acts.

One thing I did love about this film (since on the whole it was mediocre) is the gravity boots. The interaction specifically. Instead of Iron Man's "steer with your hands, go faster by thinking it loudly"-boosters, these things seem to have natural controls using the pose of your lower body, leaving your upper body free to do whatever and not requiring brain-computer interfacing. Too bad it did seem inconsistent.

Also, why on Earth in the universe would you put your VIP on an enemy ship while escorting it with your own ship into enemy territory without any kind of bargain? That's even lazier plot writing than most of this film.

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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Jorpho » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:17 am UTC

No sign of that glorious Director's Cut, yet, is there?

(I just Googled and actually one of the first hits suggested there's a four-hour version of Cloud Atlas out there as well that we may never see.)

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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby EdgarJPublius » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:59 pm UTC

Yea. It seems like just recently every movie was getting a 'directors' or 'extended' cut for the DVD/Blu-Ray release. But now that seems to have dried up, Mad Max was also supposed to have a Black and White 'Silent Movie' version on the DVD but that didn't happen either.
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Re: Jupiter....going up?

Postby Totenkindly » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:10 pm UTC

This was one of those movies that seemed to me like it would have been better as a big-budget TV series, at least if it could have delved into character and world details a little more. it seemed far too "epic" in nature to cram into a two-hour picture, with a lot of world-building and backstory to be revealed, and in the end we really do not see much happening over the course of the picture:

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She finds out she's the genetic heir, she goes to make her claim and finally gets her tattoo, she comes back home to her family, then has to go rescue them from Crazy Eddie (redmayne)... There wasn't really enough time for anything truly epic to happen.


I didn't mind Eddie Redmayne at all, although some accused him of overacting. He seemed to have a lot of fun with it. And the movie was quite beautiful on the big screen, in 3D. But the whole thing altogether felt underwhelming. I did appreciate the cameo by one relevant, famous director at mid-point; that was fun.

I'm someone who keeps wanting the Wachowskis to hit one out of the park, but aside from Bound, The Matrix, and Cloud Atlas (which was a mess in some ways but quite glorious and profound regardless), I've usually been disappointed by their big screen attempts... I guess I'm not much of a Mila Kunis fan either. She's very pretty but doesn't seem to run very deep. (As comparison, I found the siblings far more interesting as actors -- Redmayne, Tuppence Middleton, Douglas Booth.)

It does make me wonder what they cut. Editing actually can really gut a movie, if they cut too much even to 'streamline' the plot. I think another movie that was really hamstrung by excessive editing was Prometheus, if you view the deleted/alternate scenes on the one bluray release. Some of the issues people complained about with that movie would be fixed or improved by adding in the deleted elements.


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