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Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Angua » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:44 pm UTC

I couldn't find the topic for this, if there's already one. Let me know, and I'll merge this one into it.

Only just started the first episode, so typing this as watching
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but, seriously, don't do a monologue in a dark room that's a really boring metaphor or something in the first 5 minutes of your show. Started losing me there and then.

What was with the guy eating chips?

I'll give them the cool opening theme though.

Hmmm, this is going to be one of those slow, drama shows, isn't it?

The ending montage was cool too.
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Postby Zohar » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:18 pm UTC

I'm not allowed to watch until my husband gets back from the conference he has this weekend :(
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Postby Whizbang » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:21 pm UTC

I plan on watching it this summer when there is nothing to watch. My DVR is already back-logged from all the stuff this past year.

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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby clockworkmonk » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:46 pm UTC

I've watched the first four episodes, and so far it has been really good. There are few surprises for someone familiar with the character. The cast is strong, and it takes advantage of the format Netflix uses of being very serial.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Angua » Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:27 am UTC

It's definitely growing on me. I really like the way they do how he perceives things.

Only on ep four so far.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Angua » Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:13 pm UTC

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How was it not obvious that the Chinese lady spoke English? How else would she have ever been able to understand the other half of the conversations...
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Postby Angua » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:25 pm UTC

The acoustics on this show are amazing. You can really feel every object moving just by listening.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:31 pm UTC

Someone linked me to a fight scene that looked like a giant homage to Old Boy. It was really well done; Matt Murdock seems like a very real brawler, exhausted, battered, only able to win through enormous effort. It was a sobering and awesome fight scene.
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Postby Angua » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:58 pm UTC

That was pretty awesome once you get into it!

And now that I've finished it:

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I'm totally predicting that Gao is a skrull. She's definitely an alien of some sort.

We never found out what was going on with Stick and the black boy in the container (Black Sky, or whatever) - maybe some sort of connection with Wakonda? Or, he's another alien and this is the war he's talking about?

I liked the costume, it was pretty cool.

I'm guessing Vanessa has all the money now, will be interesting to see if she she pops up elsewhere.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Carlington » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:05 pm UTC

I wasn't super-excited for this initially, partly because Netflix wasn't a thing here, but it is now and people are saying that this falls somewhere in the range ["really good", "the best thing Marvel's done including films"], so watch this space.
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Postby tomandlu » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:22 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Someone linked me to a fight scene that looked like a giant homage to Old Boy. It was really well done; Matt Murdock seems like a very real brawler, exhausted, battered, only able to win through enormous effort. It was a sobering and awesome fight scene.


Awesome scene, and a single shot and I never noticed when they swapped the stunt-double in and out.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:52 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:I wasn't super-excited for this initially, partly because Netflix wasn't a thing here, but it is now and people are saying that this falls somewhere in the range ["really good", "the best thing Marvel's done including films"], so watch this space.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Angua » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:05 pm UTC

The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:
Angua wrote:
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I'm totally predicting that Gao is a skrull. She's definitely an alien of some sort.
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The symbol on the heroin packets suggests a connection with Steel Serpent

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What did you think of the 'your world' comment, and the fact that going home was considerably further than China? Also, the whole cryptic thing about it not really being about the heroin.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Thesh » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:34 pm UTC

Not reading the spoilers I have one question:

Should I watch it: [yes] [no]

I'm kind of sick of superhero shit, but if it's different enough, and non-ben-afflecky, I could deal.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Angua » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:51 pm UTC

[yes]

Though, to be warned, I thought the first episode or two dragged a bit. It got better extremely quickly.
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Postby Thesh » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:38 pm UTC

I'll give it a go when Liz Lemon next makes me feel too ashamed to watch 30 rock.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby maybeagnostic » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:09 am UTC

I'm about halfway through the show (episode 8? It's hard to keep track on netflix :D). I like it quite a bit so far and I think it's better than The Flash and Agents of SHIELD although it's quite different in tone to both of them. About Gao:
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I was going to say it really annoys me that she insists on speaking Chinese when she clearly understands the others but I accidentally read the spoilers speculating about her being not-human. Now I can't help but make the connection to the Inhumans in Agents. Are there these kinds of connections between Daredevil and the rest of the MCU? The few I caught so far were a lot subtler than what Agents usually does.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Nork » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:53 pm UTC

I'm only two episodes in, and I'm enjoying it, but I wish they'd give him a more comic-booky outfit or at least something distinctive. It might just be that I'm watching on a tablet, but there have been a couple fight scenes where it's dark clothes vs. dark clothes in the dark, and I have no idea who's who.

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Postby Whizbang » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:56 pm UTC

Nork wrote:...there have been a couple fight scenes where it's dark clothes vs. dark clothes in the dark, and I have no idea who's who.


That must suck, not being able to see what's going on.

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Postby Izawwlgood » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:57 pm UTC

Nork wrote:I'm only two episodes in, and I'm enjoying it, but I wish they'd give him a more comic-booky outfit or at least something distinctive. It might just be that I'm watching on a tablet, but there have been a couple fight scenes where it's dark clothes vs. dark clothes in the dark, and I have no idea who's who.

I'm only an episode in, but remember, as pretty much all heroes get their start, they wear some rags as a kind of nod to their humble beginnings.

I... was really really impressed with the intro. I hope it keeps improving, but every time a show/movie does a superhero right, I'm immediately brought back to being a kid reading comics wide eyed. Matt Murdock is a great blend of tragedy and triumph that I think few heroes really encompass well.

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Nork wrote:...there have been a couple fight scenes where it's dark clothes vs. dark clothes in the dark, and I have no idea who's who.


That must suck, not being able to see whats going on.
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Postby Angua » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:23 pm UTC

I actually think that's what the director was going for in a lot of these fight scenes. There are a lot of scenes where the audio is definitely emphasised over the visual.
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Postby Zohar » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:47 pm UTC

We just finished watching episode four, which is definitely the best so far. I'm glad it improved for us because I'm not sure how long we would have continued watching.

One thing that was kind of ridiculous is there's these scenes in a restaurant, right? Well, I actually went to that restaurant (it's on the upper east side), it's been around for about 40 years or so (hence the 70's "futuristic" architecture), and it's actually French, not Italian. I'm not bothered, it's just funny to recognize the locale.

Re: Episode 4:
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I don't really understand why Karen had to buy stuff at the auction? Was it so she won't attract suspicion? Then how come Urich didn't need to do that?

Also, I was a bit surprised by Vanessa, but it gives me comics knowledge gives me ideas about the season finale.


And general thoughts about Daredevil and a bit about the planned Jessica Jones series, spoilers for both comics storylines (general Daredevil knowledge and specifically Alias for Jessica Jones):
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I assume at some point in Daredevil they'll show how he grew to learn how to use his senses and how to fight, and that will obviously be in media res. But I also see that happening in the Jessica Jones series when they explain the purple man and her history with him, if they keep true to the structure of the story in the comics. I mean, it just sounds like a lot of in media res being employed.


I find it strange that all the smaller mob bosses are foreigners or minorities, and Fisk is white. On the one hand if FIsk were black like he is in some versions, it would basically be "all the evil people are POCs, the good guy is a white guy", which is fucked up. On the other hand, now it's basically "White guy controls all of the POCs' businesses" which has very different undertones.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby ahammel » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:03 am UTC

Angua wrote:
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How was it not obvious that the Chinese lady spoke English? How else would she have ever been able to understand the other half of the conversations...
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And why did Fisk let Wesley sit there translating like an asshole for seven episodes when he also spoke Chinese?
Fisk aside, these seem like pretty stock characters, but I'm enjoying the way the show is put together.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:32 am UTC

ahammel wrote:
Angua wrote:
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How was it not obvious that the Chinese lady spoke English? How else would she have ever been able to understand the other half of the conversations...
Spoiler:
And why did Fisk let Wesley sit there translating like an asshole for seven episodes when he also spoke Chinese?
Fisk aside, these seem like pretty stock characters, but I'm enjoying the way the show is put together.

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It's a power play - it's showing that Fisk is not only powerful enough to have an assistant who speaks ALL the languages, but that he's wise enough to not play his full hand. Keeping secrets from people is how he's managed this whole enterprise.

To Angua's point, I think it was presumed that she could understand enough to get by, but not speak it? I'm not sure, I had that reaction too.
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Postby ahammel » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:48 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
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It's a power play - it's showing that Fisk is not only powerful enough to have an assistant who speaks ALL the languages, but that he's wise enough to not play his full hand. Keeping secrets from people is how he's managed this whole enterprise.
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Meh, I don't buy it. The hell does he get out her ignorance of his speaking Mandarin?

People keep getting pissed off at Wesley's translations when they're perfectly capable of speaking English themselves, the poor guy. He probably deserves a raise.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Angua » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:59 am UTC

ahammel wrote:
Izawwlgood wrote:
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It's a power play - it's showing that Fisk is not only powerful enough to have an assistant who speaks ALL the languages, but that he's wise enough to not play his full hand. Keeping secrets from people is how he's managed this whole enterprise.
Spoiler:
Meh, I don't buy it. The hell does he get out her ignorance of his speaking Mandarin?

People keep getting pissed off at Wesley's translations when they're perfectly capable of speaking English themselves, the poor guy. He probably deserves a raise.

Spoiler:
I thought it was because if people don't know you speak their language, then they are likely to let their guard down around you when speaking it. It could be pretty conceivable that if Fisk was waiting for Wesley to turn up to translate, and some of her underlings came to talk to her, they'd reveal some secrets they'd rather Fisk not know.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Yakk » Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:14 pm UTC

I quite enjoyed the series. Ran into an interesting analysis:
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2015/04/darede ... atholicism
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Postby Thesh » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:50 am UTC

I'm liking it, although it does push the boundaries of my suspension of disbelief. Mainly the "I can tell this guy that I was just in a two minute brawl with was telling the truth, because of his heartbeat." But I can live with it.
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Postby maybeagnostic » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:00 am UTC

One thing that baffles me a bit- Daredevil's senses are supposed to be supernatural, right? They pay lip service to concentrating on his other senses but he clearly perceives much more than is humanly possible.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:59 pm UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:One thing that baffles me a bit- Daredevil's senses are supposed to be supernatural, right? They pay lip service to concentrating on his other senses but he clearly perceives much more than is humanly possible.
What episode are you on? Or assuming you're past episode 2, presumably you weren't impressed with that fight scene, or forgot, perhaps, that he is a blind man beating up people because he can hear so well?
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Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:39 pm UTC

I would describe his senses as preternatural
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maybeagnostic wrote:One thing that baffles me a bit- Daredevil's senses are supposed to be supernatural, right? They pay lip service to concentrating on his other senses but he clearly perceives much more than is humanly possible.

Spoiler:
On the one hand, I seem to remember that in the comics it was a side effect of the radioactive goop he got in his eyes. On the other hand, Stick can do the same things, and he hasn't been swimming in that stuff so far as we know. And on the third hand, I think the episode with Stick was meant to establish that magic is a thing in this universe.

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Speaking of suspension of disbelief: I always thought that if you set somebody on fire, they would scream or try to put it out or something, but I guess they just aim a flying kick at you and fall over. I furthermore did not realise that burning somebody to death while in the process of beating the holy sprit out of them doesn't count as murder.
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Postby Chen » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:11 pm UTC

They acknowledge that they're in the same universe as all the Marvel movies/TV shows, so mystical/supernatural powers are definitely a thing.

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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Thesh » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:24 pm UTC

True, you have to be willing to give things a bit more leeway if you have a guy who, in-universe, was turned to steel in the great magnetic field when he traveled time for the future of mankind.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:42 pm UTC

... wait, was someone confused if Daredevil has superpowers?
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Whizbang » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:45 pm UTC

Right. Is he a normal guy with comic book exaggerated abilities and strength or is he a super powered guy with comic book exaggerated abilities and strength? Meaning, if things had gone slightly1 different in my life, could I have been Dare Devil?


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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Yakk » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:56 pm UTC

He's usually treated as "badass normal", except for his perception abilities.

Ie, in-universe, anyone can learn the martial arts and meditation stuff that heals you faster. Like batman in a sense.

Not everyone can experience the world on fire. Stick might be cheating through some other means?
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:17 pm UTC

On Episode 11 now. Thoroughly enjoying it, though you can definitely tell which bottle episodes were made to save the most possible money for the "big" episodes.

And my son made a casual observation that I'd never really thought about... if all of his senses are so crazy honed, so sensitive, so preternatural, and he can read ink on paper by detecting thermal differences in the ink's absorptive spectrum... does he feel pain ten times, a hundred times more intense? :shock:

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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:57 pm UTC

His senses are superhuman, as he describes and demonstrates throughout the story, and physically he's basically Batman - a strong athletic dude.

Senses are a bit of a gray area though with respect to his reflexes - in addition to having great training, he can also hear the punch coming as it's started, and has that much longer to react to it.

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:does he feel pain ten times, a hundred times more intense?
He talks about how he needs to sleep in silk sheets because anything else is like sandpaper. So, yes. In the comics, he's also beaten a bunch with sensory overload, like someone smashes a vat of perfume or cranks the music to 11.
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Re: Daredevil (Netflix)

Postby ArgonV » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:59 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:And my son made a casual observation that I'd never really thought about... if all of his senses are so crazy honed, so sensitive, so preternatural, and he can read ink on paper by detecting thermal differences in the ink's absorptive spectrum... does he feel pain ten times, a hundred times more intense? :shock:


Well, he also claims he needs to focus in order to fully use his senses. So maybe he has learned to focus less on the pain?


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