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Magicians

Postby Mikemk » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:39 pm UTC

Anyone watching The Magicians? It's aired seven episodes, and airs on Monday Nights.
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Re: Magicians

Postby Zohar » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:24 pm UTC

We're caught up to last week's episode. It's not bad, I mostly enjoy watching it. I'm pretty sure whoever pitched the show must have shouted out the word "Millenials!" about 15 times during their pitch. I only read the first book of the series, and I wasn't very impressed with it, although my husband read the subsequent books and liked them a lot more. I understand about half the show is supposed to be the story in the second book, and I think it generally makes the story better.

I like they're committing to magic-as-weird-vogue-dance.
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Re: Magicians

Postby Mikemk » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:22 am UTC

I didn't realize it was based on books
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Re: Magicians

Postby maybeagnostic » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:59 am UTC

I read the first two books. They have the most self-centered narcissistic protagonist I have ever encountered in literature. I could never decide if the author meant for us to relate to him or take him as a scathing criticism of entitlement.

The first episode was better than I expected. Combining the stories of the first two books might actually be of benefit to the show although it some of the best parts of the first book are toward the end and I am not sure how they'd combine the story without losing them.
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Re: Magicians

Postby Zohar » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:12 pm UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:I read the first two books. They have the most self-centered narcissistic protagonist I have ever encountered in literature. I could never decide if the author meant for us to relate to him or take him as a scathing criticism of entitlement.

That was one of the big problems I had with reading the (first) book. I think the actor on TV portrays him quite well.
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Re: Magicians

Postby Zohar » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:28 pm UTC

I really didn't like last episode (s1e9 I believe). A huge part of the novel is that it's "just like Harry Potter, but more hardcore!" and "just like Narnia, but more adult!" and it looks like the show is saying it needs to be just like the book, but more adult. Which kinda comes off as ridiculous. People who haven't read the (first) book may feel differently, I dunno.

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The whole child molestation scene. And how distasteful it is that molested children are the ones to become monsters when they grow up. It's pretty obnoxious.
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Re: Magicians

Postby Mikemk » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:41 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I am referring, of course, to
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The whole child molestation scene. And how distasteful it is that molested children are the ones to become monsters when they grow up. It's pretty obnoxious.

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It's the molester that becomes the monster, the children just got stuck in time
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Re: Magicians

Postby JudeMorrigan » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:42 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I really didn't like last episode (s1e9 I believe). A huge part of the novel is that it's "just like Harry Potter, but more hardcore!" and "just like Narnia, but more adult!" and it looks like the show is saying it needs to be just like the book, but more adult. Which kinda comes off as ridiculous. People who haven't read the (first) book may feel differently, I dunno.

I am referring, of course, to
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The whole child molestation scene. And how distasteful it is that molested children are the ones to become monsters when they grow up. It's pretty obnoxious.

I haven't watched the tv series yet, but in the books (spoilers for first and third books):
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At the end of the first novel, Jane asks Quentin not to judge Martin too harshly as he had been being molested by Plover - suggesting that that's why he had originally been trying to hide in a clock. You get a somewhat different story with the clock in the third novel, but it's still heavily implied by Rupert's book that Plover had been molesting Martin.

Which should not be taken as an endorsement of the plot point.

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Re: Magickians

Postby Zohar » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:14 pm UTC

JudeMorrigan wrote:
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At the end of the first novel, Jane asks Quentin not to judge Martin too harshly as he had been being molested by Plover - suggesting that that's why he had originally been trying to hide in a clock. You get a somewhat different story with the clock in the third novel, but it's still heavily implied by Rupert's book that Plover had been molesting Martin.

Which will not be taken as an endorsement of the plot point.

Ah, I did not remember that. Still a frustrating story, as you mentioned.
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Re: Magickians

Postby Zohar » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:38 pm UTC

And another thing I really dislike now about that episode (which I didn't think of until now):
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They introduce a super talented, lesbian, woman of color. And then they kill her off in order to provide emotional depth to the straight white woman. Which is, you know, common.


And yeah maybe it's from the novels too (I dunno haven't read that far) but blech?
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Re: Magickians

Postby maybeagnostic » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:31 am UTC

About last week's episode, I think the reveal fits really well with the kind of story this is. Both the show and the books are very explicit that magicians power their magic from personal suffering and emotional trauma and power is kind of linearly connected to just how terrible a character's backstory is. I really didn't like the idea that the level of commitment and discipline required to master magic is best achieved in that way but it is such a basic assumption of the story that you can't just ignore it.

On another note, I really like how the show is presenting the magic. It does a good job of showing how Harry Potter style magic can actually be a holistic approach where words and gestures become a way to shape your mind in certain ways through study and repetition. The actors manage to mostly stay on the cool rather than goofy side of dramatic hand gestures despite the limited SFX budget.
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