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Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby charliepanayi » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:11 pm UTC

Here's the trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JINqHA7xywE

The trailer is OK. I've liked Paul Feig's films and I like the cast, so those are my main grounds for optimism. On the other hand, not like worthwhile remakes/sequels (or whatever this is) are common, so I guess we'll see. Hope it's good anyway, will really annoy knuckledraggers across the internet.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Lazar » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:36 pm UTC

We're still using the super-stereotypical sassy black woman character?
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:12 pm UTC

Apparently.

Supposedly the character is a historian, but you wouldn't know that from the trailer.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby charliepanayi » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:14 am UTC

Trailers don't have to give the whole story away, maybe people shouldn't automatically judge on the basis of thirty context-free seconds. And it looks like all the characters bar Wiig's could be classified as 'sassy'. I trust Feig's writing re: the characters, he was very good at playing with stereotypes in Spy, just not sure it will be enough to bring anything new to the table is all.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Zohar » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:52 pm UTC

charliepanayi wrote:Trailers don't have to give the whole story away, maybe people shouldn't automatically judge on the basis of thirty context-free seconds. And it looks like all the characters bar Wiig's could be classified as 'sassy'. I trust Feig's writing re: the characters, he was very good at playing with stereotypes in Spy, just not sure it will be enough to bring anything new to the table is all.

Well, I sorta agree, but also not. Yes, the trailer doesn't represent the entire movie, of course. But, it's what the creators (/publishers) want us to think about the movie.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby charliepanayi » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:35 pm UTC

I think I've just seen a lot of trailers which gave a rather misleading impression of the film itself. Comedy ones in particular tend to go for lowest common denominator, which is why here we get a vomit gag and a lame Exorcist gag. Of course that might be what the whole film is like!
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby charliepanayi » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:33 pm UTC

Bump as it's out this week. Reviews are decent, though not amazing, in line with what I expected really.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Lucrece » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:56 am UTC

Lazar wrote:We're still using the super-stereotypical sassy black woman character?



Leslie Jones IS a sassy black woman. That's pretty much what she always plays, and probably is herself. Walking stereotypes and all, just like how the pop diva obsessed superficial/frivolous gay guy in TV resembles a vast amount of gay men I've met in many gay spaces.

Unfortunately we don't get much variety when it comes with minorities, so you take what you can get.

And let's be honest here, the fact that these sassy black women involve a highly aggressive/upfront butch, big boned black woman and the otrher ghost buster is overwight as well at least is somewhat of a step forward for female representation in film.

We have plenty of not conventionally attractive ("ugly") men in leading roles, so it's about time women received the same allowances.

Hopefully that also extends beyond comedy films, where a woman can be ugly and still land leading roles like many of the hideous men who've starred in film.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby keozen » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:44 pm UTC

Crowey & I saw it last night & both really enjoyed it.

Funny, didn't take itself too seriously and enjoyable. I'm rather in love with Kate McKinnon's Holtzmann but I'm always partial to crazy engineers/scientists so that's no surprise.

I can see why some people wanting another 1980s Ghostbusters may be disappointed, it's a very different animal. In style, pacing and structure it's very much a film of 2016 and very much tries to be it's own thing.

Personally though I tried to go in only wanting an entertaining funny movie and got what I wanted so I was a happy chap.

I really enjoyed the classic Ghostbuster actor cameos which didn't feel too forced and gave a nice nod to the past without dwelling in it too much.

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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby charliepanayi » Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:10 pm UTC

It was pretty enjoyable. No classic and they could have laid off extending cameos to Slimer and Mr Stay Puft but the cast are great (especially Kate McKinnon) and there are some good laughs to be had. Andy Garcia's character gets the best line probably. Please don't let Fall Out Boy near the theme song again though. Walk the Moon's version is better.

On a side note, pleased to see Zach Woods popping up again in a film.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby pseudoidiot » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:59 pm UTC

I loved it through and through. I haven't had so much fun seeing a movie in a long time.

I actually really liked all the various cameos. They were fun little shout-outs, but I didn't feel they were heavy-handed or anything. Just little nuggets for fans of the franchise to enjoy.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Diadem » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:31 am UTC

Saw this last week. Based on the trailer I went in with very low expectations (in fact I wouldn't have gone at all if not for it getting quite a lot of positive reviews), but the movie was good, solid fun. Not exceptional, but good enough to be worth watching.

The sometimes mediocre acting of the main characters (excepting perhaps Kate McKinnon) was sometimes annoying, but they had great chemistry between them, so there's that. The plot was good enough to not get in the way of the movie (I don't expect great plots from comedies or action movies, but I want plots good enough that you aren't angrily shouting at the screen for half the movie over the sheer stupidity of it all. Looking at you Michael Bay). There were plenty of good jokes in there, and a few scenes that were absolutely hilarious.

I have to say that Chris Hemsworth completely stole the show. He was having such obvious fun hamming it up, every scene with him was pure gold. I now want to see more comedies with him.

There was a lot of backlash against this movie's trailer, and I too thought the trailer was pretty bad. Turns out they took literally all the worst scenes of the movie and put those in the trailer. I know trailers always cater to the lowest common denominator, but damn, they dropped the ball hard on this one. Either the guys at Sony are horribly incompetent, or they deliberately made a terrible trailer to create controversy.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby keozen » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:44 pm UTC

What I should have said was:

The film was not what I wanted. The plot felt hollow, the characters bland uninspired attempted copies of those we know so well. Every beat of the film felt like it didn't want to even try and stand up on it's own two legs, instead relying on callbacks to what has gone before cashing in on our familiarity of the wonderful original film and squeezing it for every last penny because hollywood needed it's paycheque no matter how stinking the pile of crap that had to be put out to do so, how phoned in the acting needed to be and how much they had to beat the dead horse of it's predecessor...

... but enough about Ghostbusters 2 you should instead go and watch the new 2016 Ghostbusters as it's bloody great!
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Zohar » Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:30 pm UTC

It was fun, and it was funny, and that's already pretty great. However, I felt they kind of took the "low road" with regards to the commentary on the nerd rage against the movie, what with the choice of villain etc. Basically, it feels like they played into their hands - "See? We told you a full-women cast would turn out to be a man-hating movie, and it is!"

This wouldn't have been an issue if there were 30 action-adventure films with leading women actresses every year. But there aren't, there's this, and so this becomes the example of that type of movie, and it's... not a great example, in my opinion. I think it's a matter of raised expectations due to lack of representation.

Still, I laughed a lot and I enjoyed it, but it could have been better.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:35 pm UTC

Haven't seen it yet. The leftists in my facebook feed apparently love the shit out of it, and some of them were well on the enthusiasm train long before the movie started. On the flip side, there was no shortage of hatred that was also long-predetermined. Seems...exhausting.

The people I know who are somewhere in the middle seem mildly disappointed. Like, not great, but not Fan4stic awful. I trust these people most of all, but the number of *these* people who bothered to see it are very few. Like me, I think they're mostly waiting to see if it's actually worthwhile or not.

So, if you enjoyed it, what did you enjoy about it? What kind of humor, etc was showcased? Is it worth seeing on it's own merits if you have absolutely no nostalgia for the old film, or does the humor frequently play off that?

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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Zohar » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:58 pm UTC

I don't feel nostalgic about the original, and I suppose I'm kind of in the middle for it. I laughed, a lot. And it has ridiculous over-the-top effects which were fun to see, too. The story is a bit bland, and the characters don't really change, but they're pretty funny and interesting. It's not very low-brow humor, but there are a bunch of sexist jokes done at the expense of Chris Hemsworth (he's a good sport about it, but still), and there's a couple of scenes with what I feel is degrading humor (mild spoilers):
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The antagonist is a very clearly supposed to be a nerdy young man, and they laugh about him being a virgin and stuff like that a few times.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Lucrece » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:44 am UTC

I know, don't you love that stereotype that those who hate/antagonize women must be resentful maladapted virgins?

Clearly for most of history it hasn't been men with fucking harems of women viciously mistreating and patronizing their perceived sex toys. As if married men who presumably have had lots of sex, many of them physically fit brutes don't beat up their wives or girlfriends and resent their attempts at freedom whenever they get possessive.

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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Diadem » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:05 am UTC

The villain being a nerd didn't really bother me. There's plenty of nerd heroes, I don't see a pattern of nerds being cast in negative roles. Though yeah, there's way too many stereotypes still. Personally I've always been mystified about why something like The Big Bang theory is considered ok.

reading some of the reviews I'm kind of wondering if I saw the same movie. Like I said earlier, I enjoyed the movie, certainly, but for me one of its weak points was the mediocre acting of the main cast. However most reviews are raving about their performance.

Tyndmyr wrote:So, if you enjoyed it, what did you enjoy about it? What kind of humor, etc was showcased? Is it worth seeing on it's own merits if you have absolutely no nostalgia for the old film, or does the humor frequently play off that?

Having never seen the original (I know!) I can say that for me it definitely wasn't nostalgia. I judge the movie on its own merits.

The kind of humor is difficult to say. There weren't many outright jokes, most of the humour was in the situations. For me it was enjoyable, though I found some of the jokes cringeworthy. The scene with a vomiting ghost I could have done without. Or the exorcism scene. I found those lame and overdone. But for the most part the movie worked for me.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby charliepanayi » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:07 am UTC

While that is an annoying stereotype, the villain in the film isn't specifically resentful towards women, he's resentful towards everyone.

And I don't think Paul Feig is suggesting all introverted guys are psychopaths, he's written about what a terrible childhood he had because he himself was an introverted, socially awkward guy. Anyone who has seen Freaks and Geeks will see he the empathy he has with people like that.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Zohar » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:02 pm UTC

I don't have a problem with a nerdy/introvert villain. I have a problem that the heroes joked about him being an introvert, as if that was the bad thing about him (being a virgin etc.), as opposed to, like, you know, wanting to cause havoc and such.

However, while the villain doesn't like most people, he is definitely misogynist (I'm pretty sure there more than one line how his opponents are just a bunch of girls or something, there's a line about "you know all those women always being late" too).
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby ahammel » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:57 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:There was a lot of backlash against this movie's trailer, and I too thought the trailer was pretty bad. Turns out they took literally all the worst scenes of the movie and put those in the trailer. I know trailers always show a basic level of decency and respect to the lowest common denominator, but damn, they dropped the ball hard on this one. Either the guys at Sony are horribly incompetent, or they deliberately made a terrible trailer to create controversy.

They definitely cut the trailer to make Patti look like more of a stereotype than the character actually was. For instance, in the trailer she says she'll be an asset to the team because "she knows this city" with the implication that her contribution will be street smarts or some such, whereas in context she's saying that she's very well informed about New York history.

I thought it was great fun. All the backwards glances at the original were a bit grating (if mandatory), but the jokes that were not that were hilarious. Chris Hemmsworth and Kate McKinnon stole the show.
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Postby ConMan » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:52 pm UTC

While I haven't seen the film yet, I've seen a lot of reactions to it on social media, and what I've generally noticed is that pretty much everyone has seen what they expected to see - those who went in with an attitude of "It's going to crap all over my childhood" have pointed out how it doesn't hold up to the original, while those who went in with "this will be a refreshing modern look at a classic film" have been generally happy with what they saw. I wonder if any other recent film has had a similar reaction - possibly The Force Awakens?
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:06 am UTC

Uh, this was spectacular.
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Postby Zohar » Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:55 pm UTC

Maybe, but she's definitely more black.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:49 pm UTC

Which I think may be why that criticism was even brought up. People were even criticizing her for not being intellectual enough, and given that virtually every scene she was in involves her teaching the group something about the city, I'm inclined to believe people were pre-judging this film pretty heavily.

EDIT: And mind you, 'knows stuff about the city' wasn't even stereotyped as 'hood knowledge' or anything silly like that. She outright states "I read a lot of non-fiction, that's how I know this".
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Postby Zohar » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:24 pm UTC

I think there's a valid point in that she's the only non-scientist of the bunch, and her knowledge wasn't from her professional occupation. It would have been easy (and provide lots of opportunities for jokes) to make her a tour guide, for instance - someone who does this sort of thing professionally. I don't think it's a huge issue, though.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Diadem » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:51 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:I'm inclined to believe people were pre-judging this film pretty heavily.

No shit Sherlock. That's literally the entire point of a trailer. To make you pre-judge the film.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:23 pm UTC

Huh, not sure if you're up on the drama and ire this film has generated or if you're being deliberately obtuse?
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Diadem » Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:06 pm UTC

I am aware of the drama. I don't see how that negates my point. Perhaps I should explain in a bit more detail.

Ahammel pointed out that the trailer turned Patti into a stereotype, while in the movie she wasn't. You responded to this by saying that people were prejudging this character based on the trailer. I'm saying that yes, this is what people were doing, and they were right to be doing that. The entire point of a trailer is to make you prejudge a movie (preferably favourably of course, so you'll go see the movie). If the trailer portrayed an interesting and nuanced character as a stereotype, that's a failure of the trailer, not of the people pointing it out.

The fact that a lot of the other criticism on the trailer was horribly misogynist isn't relevant. Just because many of the critics of the trailer are horribly people doesn't make the trailer not also terrible. Those issues are unrelated.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby charliepanayi » Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:19 pm UTC

Still don't think the trailer was all that bad. Comedy trailers always play broad. I recently watched the trailer to 21 Jump Street (a film I think is hilarious), and the trailer wasn't that much better than the Ghostbusters ones. The major jokes in it are the two leads blowing raspberries when high and Jonah Hill getting run over.

More to the point, I'm glad the Ghostbusters trailers didn't give away the best jokes in the film. The Mayor from Jaws/third scariest thing on that train lines (among others) wouldn't have been nearly as fun otherwise.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:33 pm UTC

charliepanayi wrote:More to the point, I'm glad the Ghostbusters trailers didn't give away the best jokes in the film.
There were a ton of comedic moments in the film that weren't remotely hinted at in the trailer! This was extremely refreshing.

Also, I died at 'It's 2040, our president is a plant'.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Echo244 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:56 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Also, I died at 'It's 2040, our president is a plant'.


I loved that bit too, McKinnon as Holtzmann was *excellent*.

Safety lights are for boys. ;-D

Loved the cameos and nods to the old films, but I thought it was a good new film on its own. Some bits fell a little flat but not everything will be perfect, and there were more than enough good bits.

And Hemsworth needs more comedy roles.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:40 am UTC

Echo244 wrote:And Hemsworth needs more comedy roles.
I read that Wiggs and McCarthy where both annoyed with him because he was so good at improv comedy. He was definitely hilarious in that roll.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Diadem » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:57 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
Echo244 wrote:And Hemsworth needs more comedy roles.
I read that Wiggs and McCarthy where both annoyed with him because he was so good at improv comedy. He was definitely hilarious in that roll.

Why would they be annoyed by that?
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Postby pseudoidiot » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:00 am UTC

Good-naturedly "annoyed" I would imagine. Like "damn you for being a natural at this."
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Postby Angua » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:16 am UTC

Yeah, probably like that interview where Jonah Hill had the same experience with Channing Tatum in 21 Jump Street. 'You're funnier than me!'
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby charliepanayi » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:34 am UTC

I gave it a re-watch yesterday. It's a shame they set up the dance number scene and then didn't put it in the final film (opting to kind of put it in the credits instead). Aside from the fact it makes that bit now look odd and rather pointless, I would have liked a dance number! And they could easily have excised the scene with Bill Murray's character or the bit with that terrible Dean or trimmed down the rock concert bit to make way for it. Also, it seems clear that there's a scene where Kristen Wiig's character parts ways with the others which they left out, which means her return later on doesn't quite have the same impact.

Still enjoyable though on a second viewing, despite the occasional rough edges and not all the jokes landing.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Echo244 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:59 am UTC

In the context of the bad guy's character, I thought that while puppeteering the crowd in front of him would have fitted, I don't think the dancing would have. So in the credits, and somewhat outside canon, it fit much better.

Also, the dancing was Hemsworth totally cheesing it up and stealing the show, and that wouldn't have fitted with some of the things the film was trying to say. So, putting it in the credits toned that down nicely.
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Re: Ghostbusters (the new one)

Postby Diadem » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:17 pm UTC

The dancing scene in the credits was definitely Hemsworth's crowning moment of awesome. I understand why they didn't put it in the real movie, but I'm glad they didn't cut it entirely.
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