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Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby Angua » Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:21 pm UTC

I'm surprised there isn't a thread about this already. It's only just come out in the UK so have finally got to see it and it was great. Good pacing and a good message. It was cool seeing the different takes on how people respond to prejudice and stereotyping.
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I think the original title of zootopia is the better of the two because part of it is about how people expect a utopia but it isn't, at least not yet.

I also liked how they even threw in the take on people wanting to touch the hair of other races.

Finally, best frozen joke ever.
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby Sableagle » Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:02 pm UTC

I've been considering seeing it. It got a good newspaper review.

The review implied the rhinoceros was unhappy about a policy that prevented him from refusing to employ mammals. Quite apart from M.I.P. making me think of the mipmip frogs ... I'd have sworn rhinos were mammals themselves. Does "mammal" mean "cute and furry" in Disneyworld, rather than "vertebrate that suckles its young," or was there a failure to communicate there?
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby Angua » Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:15 pm UTC

I don't know what review you read but I think you're referring to the equal mammal access policy that meant they had to have a bunny. All the animals in that world are mammals as far as I could tell.
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby charliepanayi » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:17 pm UTC

Good film, very relevant message as well. And I like how they even got a Breaking Bad reference or two into it!

I believe they couldn't use the title Zootopia in Europe as a zoo has trademarked it or something.
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby Zohar » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:47 pm UTC

I didn't even know it has a different name there. I actually just saw it last night and liked it a lot - there were many funny parts (although I kind of wish we hadn't seen the sloths in the trailer already) and like people said above me, it actually portrayed bullying and prejudice in relatively nuanced ways, while also touching a bit on police brutality and such. I also liked that the lead character is being dismissed for being a bunny, not for being a woman - that was never ridiculed. I also liked the man-woman non-romantic relationship.

The sexy gazelle was kind of ridiculous (and strange, considering none of the other animals were supposed to be sexy).

One thing that bothered me a bit is it was very episodic in nature. The story is very clearly divided into very specific story arcs that don't feel like they flow into one another very well. It's not bad, it's just... kinda noticeable.
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby addams » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:04 pm UTC

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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby Lucrece » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:57 am UTC

Zohar wrote:I didn't even know it has a different name there. I actually just saw it last night and liked it a lot - there were many funny parts (although I kind of wish we hadn't seen the sloths in the trailer already) and like people said above me, it actually portrayed bullying and prejudice in relatively nuanced ways, while also touching a bit on police brutality and such. I also liked that the lead character is being dismissed for being a bunny, not for being a woman - that was never ridiculed. I also liked the man-woman non-romantic relationship.

The sexy gazelle was kind of ridiculous (and strange, considering none of the other animals were supposed to be sexy).

One thing that bothered me a bit is it was very episodic in nature. The story is very clearly divided into very specific story arcs that don't feel like they flow into one another very well. It's not bad, it's just... kinda noticeable.



The sexy Gazelle and her hip-swinging ways is voiced by Shakira, the character based on...Shakira ;p. Shakira actually requested the character have wider hips when they presented rough drafts to her.

Shakira designed that movie's song as well, "Try Everything".
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby Zohar » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:59 pm UTC

Yeah I figured (noticed it was her singing). It's still really awkward.
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby DaBigCheez » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:31 pm UTC

While I don't think I'm going to rush to nominate it for Best Movie Of All Time, it was quite enjoyable and well-crafted - and I don't have to add the mental caveat "for a kid's movie" to any of that, which is always nice. There were several moments that made me think "good job, writers, that was well done leading into that", some of my primary examples being

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the handing over of the carrot-recorder-pen to Nick to sign the police application and all the symbolism that goes with that act, all the various callbacks in the climax after the reveal of the blueberry hustle, and just generally holding to the Chekov's Gun adage. Pretty much everything in the movie was used or called back at some later point, rather than being just thrown in as a one-off gag and forgotten. Well, with the exception of her apartment, I guess.

I also appreciated that the obligatory "darkness-before-the-dawn" moments (Judy's speech that alienates Nick, Nick seeming to go feral) both didn't feel agonizing (How To Train Your Dragon / HTTYD 2 were my best examples for "I know it's coming and I'm reeeeally not looking forward to it, aaaand yup feels just as bad as I thought") and felt rather natural rather than forced for the sake of drama (Nick and Judy's reactions were both totally sensible given their backstories, and it *wasn't* something that would be cleared up by just talking to each other for two seconds as with so many other "miscommunication"-based drama twists, it was more deep-seated things with their inherent experiences, biases and fears; and the hustle in the final scene both made sense from a story standpoint, and wasn't too difficult to predict, though I had two fake-outs as to *when* the "obviously Nick's gonna have a feral-scare at some point" was going to happen. <_<

The stinger with the street racer also managed to surprise me, though in retrospect it wasn't that hard to predict. Nonetheless, well done, writers. :P
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:17 pm UTC

Agreed. I think this movie is mostly "good movie in all the small ways". The progression of characters was really, REALLY natural, despite being 3d animated animals.

I don't think this is the best movie of all time, but is instead a very natural feeling movie / commentary on the current state of society. There's just all sorts of viewpoints that are shown in the film, and it seems like the filmmakers did justice to all the viewpoints.

Zohar wrote:The sexy gazelle was kind of ridiculous (and strange, considering none of the other animals were supposed to be sexy).


I beg to differ. The shirtless backup-dancing Tigers behind Gazelle looked pretty smexy as well (especially when the film explicitly calls out the clothing issue in furries, that makes the shirtless dancing Tigers that much more sexualized IMO)
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby Zohar » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:29 pm UTC

I don't know if they were very sexy, but they also didn't play as prominent a role in the movie (as opposed to Gazelle who appeared in two or three scenes throughout the movie, before the final song).
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:07 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I don't know if they were very sexy


Read the youtube comments. Lol.

but they also didn't play as prominent a role in the movie (as opposed to Gazelle who appeared in two or three scenes throughout the movie, before the final song).


I can agree there, although Gazelle barely showed up in the movie either. Gazelle is basically a background character, not even a "minor" character in my books. (Mr. Biggs would be a "minor" character)
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby ConMan » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:02 pm UTC

The film was lots of fun. The Good Dinosaur was a bit disappointing (not bad, but more like the old Disney films from just before the big renaissance in the 90s than the new ones), so it was good to have a Disney film that was clever on multiple levels. The characters were all well-written, the set-ups and callbacks slotted into place nicely, and the theme was clear without being too preachy.

I agree that using the sloth scene as a trailer took away some of its impact, but seeing it in its full, excruciatingly slow, glory in the cinema was still incredibly funny. I also loved all the little jokes that were hidden here and there, like the Frozen call-outs (I spotted two in the cinema, and learned about the third online).

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1. When Judy is in the train going through the Tundra region, there are two elephant calves dressed as Elsa and Anna.
2. "Life isn't some cartoon musical where you sing a song and live happily ever after, so just let it go."
3. When Judy and Nick accost Duke Weaselton when he's selling bootleg DVDs, she calls him Wesselton. Duke Wesselton was the smarmy character in Frozen who got called Weaselton. And they were both voiced by the ever-talented Alan Tudyk.
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby Zohar » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:10 pm UTC

ConMan wrote:The film was lots of fun. The Good Dinosaur was a bit disappointing (not bad, but more like the old Disney films from just before the big renaissance in the 90s than the new ones)

This is interesting to me, because technically The Good Dinosaur was a Disney-Pixar film, not a Pixar film, and it got me thinking what's the difference now, and why keep the distinction between the studios. I suppose part of it is keeping to Pixar's old brands (although with the cooperation with Disney on Cars and Planes that's been sort of breached already). It's not about the maturity of the audience, seeing how Pixar did Good Dinosaur and said Cars and Disney did stuff like Wreck It Ralph and Big Hero 6. It's not necessarily about the people since they switch between the studios (John Lasseter for instance). So what's the point?

ConMan wrote:
Spoiler:
1. When Judy is in the train going through the Tundra region, there are two elephant calves dressed as Elsa and Anna.
2. "Life isn't some cartoon musical where you sing a song and live happily ever after, so just let it go."
3. When Judy and Nick accost Duke Weaselton when he's selling bootleg DVDs, she calls him Wesselton. Duke Wesselton was the smarmy character in Frozen who got called Weaselton. And they were both voiced by the ever-talented Alan Tudyk.

Spoiler:
There as a shot where you see some DVDs and one of them is "Let It Goat". I think it might have been when she flips through the CDs on her phone?
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Re: Zootopia aka Zootropolis

Postby ConMan » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:31 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
ConMan wrote:The film was lots of fun. The Good Dinosaur was a bit disappointing (not bad, but more like the old Disney films from just before the big renaissance in the 90s than the new ones)

This is interesting to me, because technically The Good Dinosaur was a Disney-Pixar film, not a Pixar film, and it got me thinking what's the difference now, and why keep the distinction between the studios. I suppose part of it is keeping to Pixar's old brands (although with the cooperation with Disney on Cars and Planes that's been sort of breached already). It's not about the maturity of the audience, seeing how Pixar did Good Dinosaur and said Cars and Disney did stuff like Wreck It Ralph and Big Hero 6. It's not necessarily about the people since they switch between the studios (John Lasseter for instance). So what's the point?

Yeah, I think at this point the two studios can be considered almost interchangeable at this point. I think that when they were separate studios, Pixar was mostly the one doing a lot of innovation both in animation and in storytelling, while Disney had started to tread water a little, but when they merged they shared all of that around and so you can't predict the quality of the film based on the appearance of the lamp at the start.

Zohar wrote:
ConMan wrote:
Spoiler:
1. When Judy is in the train going through the Tundra region, there are two elephant calves dressed as Elsa and Anna.
2. "Life isn't some cartoon musical where you sing a song and live happily ever after, so just let it go."
3. When Judy and Nick accost Duke Weaselton when he's selling bootleg DVDs, she calls him Wesselton. Duke Wesselton was the smarmy character in Frozen who got called Weaselton. And they were both voiced by the ever-talented Alan Tudyk.

Spoiler:
There as a shot where you see some DVDs and one of them is "Let It Goat". I think it might have been when she flips through the CDs on her phone?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. So make it four references.
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