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Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby KnightExemplar » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:42 pm UTC

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Okay, yeah... the movie looks like it might have some issues. Especially with that Joker.

But Harley Quinn! Joker! Amanda Waller! These are some of my favorite DC Villains / Antiheroes. I literally cannot think of a single Hollywood film that does a bad Joker. And similarly, although Amanda Waller is a less-common character, its difficult for me to think of a poor adaptation of her.

The trailer footage seems to be a bit light on the details. Maybe this movie will just be a shoot-shoot boom-boom movie, which would be just fine in my books. Anyone got an opinion on this?

My circle of friends think I'm crazy for being hyped up for this movie. But really, Suicide Squad is the only DC film I care about in the next 5 years. With Snyder leading the Justice League crap... I'm hoping David Ayer is a better director / writer.

Speaking of which, I don't know anything about David Ayer. Is he a good director to get behind?
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby LaserGuy » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:53 pm UTC

My guess is that they decided they had to take a very different approach to the Joker than Heath Ledger's interpretation of the character and this is what they ended up with. The appearance is definitely uncharacteristic, but from what I've seen in the trailers, Jared Leto seems to do a decent job of selling it.

The impression I've had is that most people are going to see this for Harley Quinn, though (and Warner Bros. has already dropped hints of a stand-alone Harley Quinn movie if this does well).

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Postby KnightExemplar » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:10 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:The appearance is definitely uncharacteristic, but from what I've seen in the trailers, Jared Leto seems to do a decent job of selling it.


I agree. I was pessimistic until I saw the trailer footage. I think Jared Leto knows what he's going for. Its a different Joker for sure. But the "soul" of Joker remains: chaos and anarchy.

I think I've been upgraded from pessimistic, to cautiously optimistic.
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Postby rmsgrey » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:52 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:I literally cannot think of a single Hollywood film that does a bad Joker.


Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, where they even get his name wrong...

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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:20 pm UTC

Wait... wat?

I'm super excited for this movie. Joker has historically run a HUGE range of personas, from the slapsticky Jack Nicholson to the tottering over the edge Heath Ledger. The best comparison I've seen is that each Joker has been somewhat emblematic of a drug, perhaps a drug prevalent to the decade, i.e., this image. But lets be clear - Nothing about Leto's Joker is uncharacteristic given the comics.

But, yea, I actually think the trailers have made this film look fantastic, and give what a surprise Ledger was as a portrayal, I'm willing to give just about anyone a running shot at this highly nuanced and interesting character...

Actually! The biggest complaint I've seen is the Harley Quinn genesis. In the comics, there are two origin stories. One she's a passive victim, and sort of becomes Harley against her wishes. The other she's more in control, and descends into it a bit more willingly. The trailers seem to suggest they've taken the first route.
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby KnightExemplar » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:46 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Wait... wat?

I'm super excited for this movie. Joker has historically run a HUGE range of personas, from the slapsticky Jack Nicholson to the tottering over the edge Heath Ledger. The best comparison I've seen is that each Joker has been somewhat emblematic of a drug, perhaps a drug prevalent to the decade, i.e., this image. But lets be clear - Nothing about Leto's Joker is uncharacteristic given the comics.


The Joker "preview" for almost a year has been just that naked Joker with tattoos all over the place. I had nothing to go on aside from 'Well... that looks different'. Generally speaking, Joker has a suit on... or at least some clothes.

Again, the trailer footage was very good. And again, every film portrayal of Joker seems to have been great. (I haven't seen Batman vs Superman though. I didn't even know Joker was in it). Its like Hollywood "gets" the Joker. So I've been upgraded to "cautiously optimistic". I've seen great trailers / awful movies before however.

Actually! The biggest complaint I've seen is the Harley Quinn genesis. In the comics, there are two origin stories. One she's a passive victim, and sort of becomes Harley against her wishes. The other she's more in control, and descends into it a bit more willingly. The trailers seem to suggest they've taken the first route.


This will be the first Hollywood film-adaptation of Harley Quinn, right? Or was there one I wasn't aware of?
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:49 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:(I haven't seen Batman vs Superman though. I didn't even know Joker was in it)
The character's official name was "Lex Luthor", if I properly comprehend the original comment... ;)

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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:56 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:This will be the first Hollywood film-adaptation of Harley Quinn, right? Or was there one I wasn't aware of?
The two origin directions I was referring to were in the comics.
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby KnightExemplar » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:28 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:This will be the first Hollywood film-adaptation of Harley Quinn, right? Or was there one I wasn't aware of?
The two origin directions I was referring to were in the comics.


I wasn't disagreeing. Just wondering if Hollywood had anything to draw upon aside from the comics / cartoon series.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:13 pm UTC

Oh, uhhhhhh, noooooooooo. She's a pretty new character, being created in the animated series in the mid 90's. According to the wiki, no, this film will be her first live action appearance.

Awesome, Gray DeLisle evidently voiced her in one of the games.
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Postby rmsgrey » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:27 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:(I haven't seen Batman vs Superman though. I didn't even know Joker was in it)
The character's official name was "Lex Luthor", if I properly comprehend the original comment... ;)


Yeah - Jesse Eisenberg's character was more of a cross between Lex and the Joker than any Luthor I'm familiar with...

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Postby maybeagnostic » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:34 am UTC

Saw a new trailer in the cinema yesterday and it was quite good. I am cautiously optimistic but this is the first DC superhero movie I might actually watch in the cinema since The Dark Knight.

P.S. And here's the trailer. Apparently not new but I hadn't seen it before.
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Postby Mcartina » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:03 am UTC

I am actually all about Suicide Squad! I watched the animated version and I loved it! Harley Quinn is my favourite character and I really hope that they will portray her well. I mean, I liked her in the animated series - in this one piece costume, funny, sexy, with no need of showing skin. I am afraid they will mae her this sexy, naked beast and deprive her of her original character...
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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:32 am UTC

It's still hard to accept a Waller that isn't CCH Pounder.
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Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:28 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:It's still hard to accept a Waller that isn't CCH Pounder.


I see it as a change of actress sort of thing. Like how Bond or Dr. Who regularly changes actors. Waller is an amazing character with deep connections across the DC Universe. But yeah, CCH defines Waller for me due to those Batman cartoons.

I see a new trailer is out. I guess I'll have to give it a watch...
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Postby Thesh » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:44 am UTC

I don't think it's much like Dr. Who since that has different Doctors. I think is closer to how Batman has been played by multiple actors, or Joker has been played by multiple actors, or Cat Woman, or Spider-Man, or Super Man, or The Incredible Hulk...
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Postby SecondTalon » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:27 pm UTC

Honestly, I said that not realizing she's voiced Waller at some point.

I said that because she's both got the appearance and presence of Waller. I can absolutely see her not giving a single goddamn about flying aliens who can shoot lasers from their eyes.

That said, how difficult would it be to have Kevin Conroy just voice over whoever they get to wear the suit? Dude's been Batman for over 20 years now.
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Postby charliepanayi » Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:53 pm UTC

Bump as it's out later this week. Reviews aren't great.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:11 am UTC

Whelp, this was pretty mediocre on just about every count. Wrong tone, bad pacing, meh acting, poor action sequences, silly villain, flat characters.

Joker was hardly in it, so, I'm not really sure either way how I feel about Leto's interpretation. Harley Quinn had 'the good' genesis spin.

Oh, and hilariously, lets talk about that Knot dude. I have not seen such a throwaway character since Steven Segal fell out of that airplane.
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Postby generalz » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:34 am UTC

Agreed. Saw it yesterday and literally fell asleep for 30 minutes. Leto's acting was bad, period. Margot Robbie was good though!

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Postby KnightExemplar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:06 am UTC

:-(

Well, I'm probably going to see it in theaters anyway. The only superhero movies I'm looking forward to in the next year are basically this, Wonder Woman (maybe: DC Cinematic Universe is turning out to be a bunch of duds...) and Dr. Strange. Weirdly enough, Marvel's stuff aside from Dr. Strange haven't really piqued much interest in me.

With that said, a lot of reviewers are saying that the individual actors were pretty good. Just not to expect the spectacular trailer (which oversells the movie). There are also reports of "movie executives changing the plot" halfway through the filming of the movie... due to the critic's response to Batman vs Superman. So a lot of reviews are saying this movie is bipolar, almost as if you can see two different visions of the movie fighting throughout.

So... I'll watch it, but maybe in a few weekends (not opening weekend) and with lowered expectations.

I mean, hey, it can't be worse than X-Men Apocalypse, right?
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Postby Zohar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:15 pm UTC

On the one hand, Dr. Strange seems intriguing. On the other hand, I am SO tired of white men heroes and whitewashing in these movies...
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Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:46 pm UTC

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generalz wrote: Leto's acting was bad, period. Margot Robbie was good though!
Eh, I think Leto's acting was fine, he just had like... 3 scenes to actually be in. The overall impression I got from his Joker was he was kind of melancholy. Margot Robbie was meh - the Jersey accent didn't really click and at times just sounded Australian, and she wasn't CRAZY like Harley, as much as just kind of 'a defiant sort of softie antagonist'. She carried the role pretty well, but I wasn't wow'd. I hope the two of them get more opportunities to showcase these characters.

Overall, yeah, what KE said, the individual acting was acceptable, if not particularly memorable. Boomerang dude (most useless character) had a few funny moments, ish, but was just kind of filler. The Crocs big fight, the scene he was supposed to shine whilst diving with those SEALs, was so poorly shot I got the impression that he had betrayed them, and only figured out near the end when he shouts something like "GO FINISH THE JOB" that they were fighting badguys, not 'croc stabbing SEALs'. Diablo was somewhat surprisingly a pretty nuanced and interesting character, who ultimately had the coolest and tightest delivered arc/narrative, as well as the coolest manifest power... so naturally he dies. Will Smith is a solid actor, but halfway through the film I was thinking "Alright dude, let someone else speak, you're hogging the center stage", and we get it, he loves his daughter, blahblahblah.

All told, the character I wanted to see most of was Enchantress, who had some awesome ability shows, and I was 100% disappointed with the direction they took her character/story. Props to Cara Delevingne for the great body acting - I'll even forgive the 'machine building hilarious gyration' scene that I wager was just bad direction. Most of Enchantresses movements were Andy Serkis level body acting, top notch. So unfortunately, that leaves a bunch of people who just kind of filled in acceptably. Flagg scowled at people and did a good enough job not really telling anyone what was going on, and Amanda Waller was cruel and manipulative, ish, I guess? Fukuhara cried at a sword once and convinced me she was sad, Croc said a few things here and there, Ike Barinholtz chuckles only appeared in the first half, and Leto looked and sounded fucking insane for a hot 5 minutes.

Ultimately, it did feel like they changed the direction and style significantly, and decided it wasn't going to be a funny movie about a bunch of misfits. The storyline and plot tied in sooooooooort of I guess maybe to the greater DC universe they're building, so, that's good, but ultimately I had really high hopes for this and felt let down. One thing I absolutely applaud the directors for, that I wish we'd see more of in SuperHero films now, is the origin stories (for those who got them) were told in <1 minute. The most involved of which, Deadshot and Harley, was still quick and concise.

Zohar wrote:On the one hand, Dr. Strange seems intriguing. On the other hand, I am SO tired of white men heroes and whitewashing in these movies...
To be fair, Dr Strange is a white dude in the comics, and Tilda Swinton is extraterrestrial punctuation.
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Zohar wrote:On the one hand, Dr. Strange seems intriguing. On the other hand, I am SO tired of white men heroes and whitewashing in these movies...


On the upside, you have Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (Saldana and Bautista anyway), Black Panther, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel in 2017-18. A couple of the Justice League members are non-Caucasian too in the forthcoming film.
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Postby Zohar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:27 pm UTC

Surprisingly this is one area DC has been doing a bit better than Marvel. Yeah it's not all terrible, it's just kinda repetitive - I'm not the first one to say it, but Marvel has had more movies starring white heterosexual actors names "Chris" than they had with lead women characters.
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Postby KnightExemplar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:53 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Ultimately, it did feel like they changed the direction and style significantly, and decided it wasn't going to be a funny movie about a bunch of misfits.


Wrong direction. Apparently this was supposed to be a brooding villain's movie about a bunch of misfits, when the executives got antsy about the original "dark" direction (due to Batman vs Superman) and decided to force-feed in a bunch of comedic scenes to lighten the mood.

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Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:31 pm UTC

That's odd, because it still felt overly burdened with seeeeeeeeeeeriousness. All the comedy that was present in the trailers is virtually absent in the movie, or completely glossed over.
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Zohar wrote:Surprisingly this is one area DC has been doing a bit better than Marvel. Yeah it's not all terrible, it's just kinda repetitive - I'm not the first one to say it, but Marvel has had more movies starring white heterosexual actors names "Chris" than they had with lead women characters.


Wait what? How is DC doing better? Wonder Woman had a pretty damn tiny role in Batman v Superman. That's like the only good female role they've had in any of their recent movies. For upcoming movies there's Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel which kinda makes that a wash. Marvel at least has some pretty central female characters on their TV shows (Agents of Shield and the fantastic Jessica Jones). The only DC show with a female lead was Supergirl and it was FAR from empowering the way she was portrayed (plus it got cancelled).

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Postby charliepanayi » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:59 pm UTC

Supergirl hasn't been cancelled, it's moved to a different network. Also, I thought she was portrayed pretty well in it.
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Postby Zohar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:30 pm UTC

As mentioned, Supergirl hasn't been cancelled. And while it was somewhat heavy-handed in the beginning with its brand of feminism (a lot of "tell" and not much "show"), the season ended up better than how it started.

I said "a bit", not that they're awesome. There have been 2 DC live-action movies led by women until today (80s Supergirl, early 2000s Catwoman) to Marvel's single movie (Elektra), and DC started announced and started working on Wonder Woman before Marvel did on Captain Marvel. It's not a lot, certainly not, and it's not like I enjoyed most of the DC movies I've seen, but it's something.

Not to mention, I have higher expectations from Marvel movies than I do from DC movies. Hopefully that will change, but for now it's the truth. It's great they created an awesome character like Black Widow, but I wish they'd give her a movie of her own already. Instead, Scarlett Johansson is going to play in a white Ghost in The Shell (yeah not Marvel's fault, just bitter about this).
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Postby charliepanayi » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:37 pm UTC

Don't see why people are so fussed about the lack of a Black Widow film, Ruffalo's Hulk and Hawkeye haven't had ones either. Black Widow was pretty much co-lead in The Winter Soldier anyway. And she always has a big role in all the MCU films she's been in. Not to mention Scarlet Witch in Age of Ultron/Civil War now. And Gamora in Guardians of the Galaxy. Just because there hasn't been a Captain Marvel type film yet, doesn't mean there hasn't been female presence. It's not just about the major heroes.

And are we really counting Supergirl in the 80s and Catwoman? Both were dreadful.
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Postby headprogrammingczar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:00 pm UTC

A large part of it is that a solo Black Widow movie has the potential to be the best movie in the whole MCU.
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Postby Zohar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:26 pm UTC

Just as much as I'm counting Elektra?

Anyway, yes, there are many good women characters in all of these movies. But that doesn't mean we can't have a woman-led movie. There have been 40 Marvel movies released ever since X-Men, 13 in the MCU, only one with a leading woman (Elektra). Those numbers will grow to 50 and 22, respectively, by the time Captain Marvel comes around. Not having women heroes in these movies, especially following commercial (not even talking about critical) successes like The Hunger Games, Divergent, and SW:TFA, is a disgrace which these studios are slowly, slowly working on fixing.

And yes, this situation is just as disgraceful for POC heroes, and LGBTQ heroes.
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby KnightExemplar » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:08 pm UTC

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Zohar wrote:Surprisingly this is one area DC has been doing a bit better than Marvel. Yeah it's not all terrible, it's just kinda repetitive - I'm not the first one to say it, but Marvel has had more movies starring white heterosexual actors names "Chris" than they had with lead women characters.


Wait what? How is DC doing better? Wonder Woman had a pretty damn tiny role in Batman v Superman. That's like the only good female role they've had in any of their recent movies. For upcoming movies there's Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel which kinda makes that a wash. Marvel at least has some pretty central female characters on their TV shows (Agents of Shield and the fantastic Jessica Jones). The only DC show with a female lead was Supergirl and it was FAR from empowering the way she was portrayed (plus it got cancelled).


3rd movie in the DC Universe stars Deadshot (Will Smith, African American) / Harley Quinn (Female role). Whether or not its empowering... I'll judge when I actually watch the movie. I'd guess that Amanda Waller (female African American) plays a similar role as Nick Fury in Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Black Panther is arguably a major role in Civil War, but the rest of the characters have more or less been "token Black Guy friend" of main-character. (War Machine, Falcon, Heimdall, Gamora). I mean really, Suicide Squad is the first high-production value minority-led movie thanks to Deadshot / Harley Quinn.

I mean, its still thuggish black-guy with a gun trope, but gotta give credit where credit is due. If the film is actually bad, it wasn't due to lack of effort or funding, which is more than can be said about other non-White Guy superhero movies.

Izawwlgood wrote:That's odd, because it still felt overly burdened with seeeeeeeeeeeriousness. All the comedy that was present in the trailers is virtually absent in the movie, or completely glossed over.


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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby Diadem » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:52 pm UTC

Just watched this movie.

Damn it was terrible. No sense of pacing at all, all the characters were introduced by flashbacks, or just thrown randomly into the story. There was surprisingly little action for an action movie. I think three scenes where they fought random mooks, and a short fight scene against the big bad. As others have remarked, the movie had no idea what story it wanted to tell, and what tone it wanted to take.

One particular example of the tone of this movie being all over the place: There's this scene where they are about to enter a building. The team leader (I already forgot his name) instructs them all to be careful, but Deadshot just walks out of cover and kicks the door in. The team leader angrily shouts at him to come back a few times, then runs after him, and literally 5 seconds later he walks up to him all cool and casual, deadpanning "Mind if we tag along".

What the fuck movie?

I'm seriously in doubt now whether this was worse than Batman v Superman or not.
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby Diadem » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:21 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:3rd movie in the DC Universe stars Deadshot (Will Smith, African American) / Harley Quinn (Female role). Whether or not its empowering... I'll judge when I actually watch the movie. I'd guess that Amanda Waller (female African American) plays a similar role as Nick Fury in Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Will Smith's character is definitely the best thing in this movie, though even his acting can't escape the dismal lack of direction this movie had. Also, why does Will Smith always play family-obsessed characters? Harley Quinn was... well... the words 'sexist as fuck' come to mind. This movie alternates between showing as much of her skin as possible and trying to portray her abusive relationship with the Joker as romantic.

KnightExemplar wrote:Black Panther is arguably a major role in Civil War, but the rest of the characters have more or less been "token Black Guy friend" of main-character. (War Machine, Falcon, Heimdall, Gamora). I mean really, Suicide Squad is the first high-production value minority-led movie thanks to Deadshot / Harley Quinn.

I was going to write "You're forgetting Nick Fury and Thor", but checking wikipedia it turns out that Mark Ruffalo isn't actually Indian. Huh. Could've sworn he was.

I agree it would be nice to see some more diversity. I think Marvel is on the right track, but it's going veeeery slowly. DC is doing much better. Counting Suicide Squad and their 6 upcoming movies for which lead roles are known (Wonder Woman, Justice League, Aquaman, The Flash, Shazam, Cyborg)1 they are 5/7 for non-white-male leads. It's just a damn shame that their movies are absolutely terrible so far.

1Apparently there's also another Green Lantern film coming, but I don't think casting is known for that yet.
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:14 am UTC

Diadem wrote:This movie alternates between showing as much of her skin as possible and trying to portray her abusive relationship with the Joker as romantic.
FWIW, that's fairly true to the comic material. Her relationship with Joker *is* most certainly pretty goddamn abusive, and she bounces in and out of it accordingly.
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby Lucrece » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:29 am UTC

Zohar wrote:Just as much as I'm counting Elektra?

Anyway, yes, there are many good women characters in all of these movies. But that doesn't mean we can't have a woman-led movie. There have been 40 Marvel movies released ever since X-Men, 13 in the MCU, only one with a leading woman (Elektra). Those numbers will grow to 50 and 22, respectively, by the time Captain Marvel comes around. Not having women heroes in these movies, especially following commercial (not even talking about critical) successes like The Hunger Games, Divergent, and SW:TFA, is a disgrace which these studios are slowly, slowly working on fixing.

And yes, this situation is just as disgraceful for POC heroes, and LGBTQ heroes.



Ugh, please no Divergent. That actress and the whole franchise is the film equivalent of scratching a chalkboard.

Now, a movie with Jennifer Lawrence as lead comic book character, I can get behind. Although I'd prefer some other emerging female actress get an opportunity instead of making these female kingpins even richer.
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby Weeks » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:52 am UTC

So...should I not go go see this? I don't know that there's good alternatives. Maybe I'll watch The Purge: Remember to Vote Edition.
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Re: Suicide Squad: You've gotta be Joker

Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:37 am UTC

Lucrece wrote:Although I'd prefer some other emerging female actress get an opportunity instead of making these female kingpins even richer.
Dude, I have to say, this view is potentially fairly problematic. Jennifer Lawrence is a pretty damned talented actress, and she's only like 26 years old. Don't brush her off as 'part of the hyper-successful Hollywood machine' simply because she's proven herself over the last ~8 years as an actress. That smacks too much of the 'we love them when they're struggling but not when they've made it'.

Weeks wrote:So...should I not go go see this? I don't know that there's good alternatives. Maybe I'll watch The Purge: Remember to Vote Edition.
I think you can firmly wait for this to come out on DVD. Evidently there's a better cut that's truer to the original story.
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