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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby Mambrino » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:30 am UTC

It's ...promising. Visuals, at least.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby sardia » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:20 am UTC

charliepanayi wrote:It's a trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4VmJcZR0Yg

The Ghost in the shell anime's biggest draw was the world building, I'm guessing that's what they're going for here. The idea of self, and what are memories when anything can be reprogrammed.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby EdgarJPublius » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:38 am UTC

Lots of nods to the series and movie in there, including what looks like a number of shot-for-shot remakes of some iconic scenes that look fantastic.

That one shot of The Major running directly at the camera and coming out of thermoptic camp seems awkward as hell though, and it's been used in some other promotional media as well.

Nice to see Batou with his prosthetic eyes, they were missing in some of the earlier promotional images. That shot of him throwing his coat back reaching for a gun is a work of art.

Holy shit though, Motoko's pistol is ugly, it's like a toy Glock with a some-how even uglier toy 'tactical' attachment glued to the front for some reason.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby Zohar » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:56 pm UTC

Can't wait for the "ugh, blatant rip off of Matrix!" comments.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

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Zohar wrote:Can't wait for the "ugh, blatant rip off of Matrix!" comments.


As a friend of mine said, it's Johnny Mnemonic 2!
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

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EdgarJPublius wrote:Lots of nods to the series and movie in there, including what looks like a number of shot-for-shot remakes of some iconic scenes that look fantastic.


This makes me happy, yeah. Aesthetically, it has promise. Looks like it's taking a familiar theme on, with generalized distrust of all, and interesting reveals on the part of the antagonist, but mostly, I love shots like the one from below of the incredibly dense, tall, housing blocks. They're just in passing, but they really do set the texture of it.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby raudorn » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:16 pm UTC

Although I'm sceptical, I'm still looking forward to seeing this movie. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but something about the style of the visuals in the trailer seems off. Maybe it's just the comparison with the scenes from the anime that throws me off. Eh, I'm just glad GitS gets a spot in the limelight of western cinema. I'll take LA-adaption-from-anime over sequel-to-horribly-flimsy-concept any time of day.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby Diadem » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:48 pm UTC

I've never seen the anime, but this trailer doesn't really impress me. It seems a rather standard action sci-fi, with a lot of pg-rated porn, which is something I've always rather disliked.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

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Diadem wrote:I've never seen the anime, but this trailer doesn't really impress me. It seems a rather standard action sci-fi, with a lot of pg-rated porn, which is something I've always rather disliked.

I'm not going to try to defend the pornographic side of it, but the original movie is a fantastic piece of cyberpunk history that the trailer cannot properly represent. It's a little bit cyberpunk-noir, and a large part an examination of the meaning of self and identity in a world where the ties between the mind and the brain are ephemeral. So it's all the stuff the Matrix movies tried to do, but didn't quite get right (and indeed the Wachowskis were heavily influenced by GitS and other anime of that era).
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby Mambrino » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:49 pm UTC

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Diadem wrote:I've never seen the anime, but this trailer doesn't really impress me. It seems a rather standard action sci-fi, with a lot of pg-rated porn, which is something I've always rather disliked.

I'm not going to try to defend the pornographic side of it, but the original movie is a fantastic piece of cyberpunk history that the trailer cannot properly represent. It's a little bit cyberpunk-noir, and a large part an examination of the meaning of self and identity in a world where the ties between the mind and the brain are ephemeral. So it's all the stuff the Matrix movies tried to do, but didn't quite get right (and indeed the Wachowskis were heavily influenced by GitS and other anime of that era).


Yes. But still, for the same reasons I'm not terribly impressed with the idea of straight Hollywood adaptation. At least when they made the Matrix, it was "inspired by".

(BTW, porn in the source material / manga isn't PG.)

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby ConMan » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:00 pm UTC

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ConMan wrote:
Diadem wrote:I've never seen the anime, but this trailer doesn't really impress me. It seems a rather standard action sci-fi, with a lot of pg-rated porn, which is something I've always rather disliked.

I'm not going to try to defend the pornographic side of it, but the original movie is a fantastic piece of cyberpunk history that the trailer cannot properly represent. It's a little bit cyberpunk-noir, and a large part an examination of the meaning of self and identity in a world where the ties between the mind and the brain are ephemeral. So it's all the stuff the Matrix movies tried to do, but didn't quite get right (and indeed the Wachowskis were heavily influenced by GitS and other anime of that era).


Yes. But still, for the same reasons I'm not terribly impressed with the idea of straight Hollywood adaptation. At least when they made the Matrix, it was "inspired by".

(BTW, porn in the source material / manga isn't PG.)

Both very good points. I'm hoping the film is good, I think there's at least superficial evidence that the people making the film actually watched the original, but I know to not get my hopes up too much.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby Diadem » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:30 pm UTC

ConMan wrote:I'm not going to try to defend the pornographic side of it, but the original movie is a fantastic piece of cyberpunk history that the trailer cannot properly represent. It's a little bit cyberpunk-noir, and a large part an examination of the meaning of self and identity in a world where the ties between the mind and the brain are ephemeral. So it's all the stuff the Matrix movies tried to do, but didn't quite get right (and indeed the Wachowskis were heavily influenced by GitS and other anime of that era).

That does sound very interesting. But I don't see any of that in the trailer. That doesn't mean it's not in the movie, trailers often don't represent their movie well. All I was saying is that the trailer looks kinda generic.

As for pg porn. It's not that I dislike nudity. It's specifically the pg nudity I dislike. You know, like how in movies they always have l-shaped blankets, and there's always lamps or chamber plants conveniently hiding all the naughty bits. It's hard to explain why. There's something deeply sex negative about that kind of thing. And based on this trailer this movie seems to take that over the top. The nudity is entirely pointless, not serving any logical point in the plot, thrown in just for the male audience, but they don't have the balls to make it actual nudity.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:40 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:That does sound very interesting. But I don't see any of that in the trailer. That doesn't mean it's not in the movie, trailers often don't represent their movie well. All I was saying is that the trailer looks kinda generic.

As for pg porn. It's not that I dislike nudity. It's specifically the pg nudity I dislike. You know, like how in movies they always have l-shaped blankets, and there's always lamps or chamber plants conveniently hiding all the naughty bits. It's hard to explain why. There's something deeply sex negative about that kind of thing. And based on this trailer this movie seems to take that over the top. The nudity is entirely pointless, not serving any logical point in the plot, thrown in just for the male audience, but they don't have the balls to make it actual nudity.


If it helps, the original source material has entirely pointless nudity, not really serving any logical point in the plot (aside from "I need to be naked for my invisibility drive to work" and "lets have lesbians at this plot point"), but does have the balls to make it actual (although cartoon) nudity.

I figured that Hollywood was going to tone it down a bit, but based on the trailer... they're definitely touching upon the Major's lesbian-slant and they're working in at least a sexual feel into this movie. I dunno if the bits are censored out because its just a trailer or if they're gonna "reveal" everything come the real movie, but its not really an aspect I've thought too much about yet.

I've heard your point of view Diadem lots of times before, so I kinda get where you're coming from, even if its not an aspect that bothers me personally. I can assure you that in the original movie, Ghost in the Shell was not a "erase the nipples" kind of anime with childish gags.

Personally speaking, I'm surprised at how faithful that trailer is. It just feels spot on with regards to the GitS universe... the iconic scenes really help. Its like they were directly lifted from the original movie, and then filmed in real-life. Its very eerie IMO.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:49 pm UTC

Lots of actual nudity would probably result in ratings issues and such, at least in the US. I don't know how tolerant other countries are about it, but such decisions are made based on the dollars that'd be lost otherwise, not because it serves the artistic vision. It's one of those movie things that doesn't make complete sense within the piece, it's an artifact of the culture within which they're made.

I'm not gonna pretend all of the teasing in the various GitS things have served story purposes, either, but I think there's at least some validity to exploring that, particularly given the cyberpunk themes that are typical for 'em. What exactly is nakedness when you're lacking all the fleshy bits that typically define it? If you're exploring the bounds/definition of humanity, that's going to screw with all sorts of concepts related to it. The idea that some bounds are not exactly where we have them today fits, I think.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:05 am UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Lots of actual nudity would probably result in ratings issues and such, at least in the US. I don't know how tolerant other countries are about it, but such decisions are made based on the dollars that'd be lost otherwise, not because it serves the artistic vision. It's one of those movie things that doesn't make complete sense within the piece, it's an artifact of the culture within which they're made.

I'm not gonna pretend all of the teasing in the various GitS things have served story purposes, either, but I think there's at least some validity to exploring that, particularly given the cyberpunk themes that are typical for 'em. What exactly is nakedness when you're lacking all the fleshy bits that typically define it? If you're exploring the bounds/definition of humanity, that's going to screw with all sorts of concepts related to it. The idea that some bounds are not exactly where we have them today fits, I think.


Well, I did exaggerate a bit, mostly just as a rhetorical device to match Diadem's post.

One of the central themes to Ghost in a Shell (and indeed, any android / cyborg cyberpunk story: Bicentennial Man or Ex Machina) is defining the difference from human and machine. And "The Major" sits at the precise intersection of that question. She's always the first full-body cyborg (although for differing reasons. One incarnation is that she was the sole survivor of a plane crash, but they only saved her life by performing a full-brain transplant to a robot body). And then the various other characters in the movie will range from fully human, to typical cyber-enhanced soldiers (eyes or brains hooked up to computers), all the way to full on androids with no human in them at all.

Sexuality, as well as the sexual preferences of these various entities, does serve as a good metric for defining humanity. Its one more point to compare and contrast with.

So it is a theme, and in general I'd say Ghost in the Shell plays it well. But there are definitely parts of the series which can only be described as 100% fanservice.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby Flumble » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:08 am UTC

Mambrino wrote:(BTW, porn in the source material / manga isn't PG.)

...in the USA and Saudi-Arabia. Well, alright, depending on the graphicality of the porn in the manga it might not be rated PG in any country.

Anyway, I'm pleasantly surprised with the non-prudish display of Major in the trailer. Does it mean it'll get an NC-17 rating in the US? :P

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All I can think of right now is: ugh, blatant rip off of Ghost in the Shell (1995)!


Diadem wrote:As for pg porn. It's not that I dislike nudity. It's specifically the pg nudity I dislike. You know, like how in movies they always have l-shaped blankets, and there's always lamps or chamber plants conveniently hiding all the naughty bits. It's hard to explain why. There's something deeply sex negative about that kind of thing.

As far as I remember from This Film Is Not Yet Rated, the boards that do ratings in the US are obsessed with "going by the letter of the rules", with the rules specifying things about genitals showing. So a shot of walking topless at the beach is probably out of the question, while innuendos, gestures, erotically displaying breasts with only tassles, and seduction are probably fine.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby sardia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:59 am UTC

So, I guess it moves up from Redbox to $5 theater in quality.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby The Great Hippo » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:42 am UTC

The whole whitewashing thing is enough to discourage me from bothering, but I have a strong suspicion they'll go with the Major expressing deep-seated insecurities about the fact that she's a full-body cyborg with a head full of hardware.

This is why the original movie and Stand Alone Complex were really amazing to me when I first saw them. She never came off as insecure about her body; it was her tool, and she felt no compunction about deploying that tool in whatever way she saw fit. Even if it meant wrecking the shit out of it.

I also suspect they'll jam in some sort of romance between her and Batou, because why not.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

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I also suspect they'll jam in some sort of romance between her and Batou, because why not.


She does have a partner in the original manga.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby EdgarJPublius » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:15 am UTC

I don't see people making a distinction between whether they think the movie will be somehow qualitatively worse for having a white lead, or are more expressing distaste for the cultural issues surrounding Hollywood financiers that make it necessary to cast white leads in order to get funding for a movie.

Arise showed a major who was still getting a handle on her body and I think handled it well and used it to show aspects of the character that we didn't see in other adaptations. Though I agree that the more interesting and narratively 'stronger' version of the character is the one who is comfortable and secure with her prosthetic body.
From the promotional material I've seen so far, it looks like this adaptation may be more concerned with conventional issues of identity rather than the somewhat more esoteric issues surrounding what it means to be human in an increasingly digital society. I'm gonna be super disappointed if this interpretation of the Major is an amnesiac and/or if there is significant reveal that she is/is not fully synthetic.

And ugh, a romance between Batou and the Major, I haven't seen any indication of that so far luckily.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby The Great Hippo » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:45 am UTC

charliepanayi wrote:She does have a partner in the original manga.
Yeah, but as I recall, he's not a major character; Batou says something about it being a new record that she's stuck with the guy this long. I don't think there's ever been a significant romantic subplot in any of the adaptions I've consumed; the closest it ever got was with Kuze in Stand Alone, and I'd argue that hardly qualifies (at the very least, it's by no means a conventional romantic subplot).
EdgarJPublius wrote:I don't see people making a distinction between whether they think the movie will be somehow qualitatively worse for having a white lead, or are more expressing distaste for the cultural issues surrounding Hollywood financiers that make it necessary to cast white leads in order to get funding for a movie.
I'm not so sure it's possible to separate those two things? If this impacts your enjoyment of the movie, then this has made the movie worse for you. It's really hard to separate a movie from the context that produced it.
EdgarJPublius wrote:Arise showed a major who was still getting a handle on her body and I think handled it well and used it to show aspects of the character that we didn't see in other adaptations. Though I agree that the more interesting and narratively 'stronger' version of the character is the one who is comfortable and secure with her prosthetic body.
From the promotional material I've seen so far, it looks like this adaptation may be more concerned with conventional issues of identity rather than the somewhat more esoteric issues surrounding what it means to be human in an increasingly digital society. I'm gonna be super disappointed if this interpretation of the Major is an amnesiac and/or if there is significant reveal that she is/is not fully synthetic.
I didn't find Arise very compelling. But that might just be because for me, the Major's defining trait was always her overwhelming sense of self -- despite existing in a tremendously confusing world.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby KnightExemplar » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:19 pm UTC

The Great Hippo wrote:I also suspect they'll jam in some sort of romance between her and Batou, because why not.


That'd bother me so much because Puppet Master x Motoko Kusanagi is the OTP. Kawaiii!!!

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

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The Great Hippo wrote:The whole whitewashing thing is enough to discourage me from bothering, but I have a strong suspicion they'll go with the Major expressing deep-seated insecurities about the fact that she's a full-body cyborg with a head full of hardware.

This is why the original movie and Stand Alone Complex were really amazing to me when I first saw them. She never came off as insecure about her body; it was her tool, and she felt no compunction about deploying that tool in whatever way she saw fit. Even if it meant wrecking the shit out of it.

I also suspect they'll jam in some sort of romance between her and Batou, because why not.


The trailer actually does show a certain disregard for her body, and treating it as a tool. I'd say that's a positive note. It may end up being trite, but there's at least some hope that they'll take the interesting path.

I *do* hate the obligatory romance, though. I don't know why that's an action movie trope.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

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Tyndmyr wrote:I *do* hate the obligatory romance, though. I don't know why that's an action movie trope.

First: is "obligatory romance" confirmed? It's not really obligatory if this film turns out not to have it.

I think it's an action movie trope because it sells people think it sells and therefore put it in to be safe. Or maybe it's even simpler: people expect it because it's been done so often, and any deviation from expectation may lead to deterioration of the film's visitation box office.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

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Tyndmyr wrote:
The Great Hippo wrote:The whole whitewashing thing is enough to discourage me from bothering, but I have a strong suspicion they'll go with the Major expressing deep-seated insecurities about the fact that she's a full-body cyborg with a head full of hardware.

This is why the original movie and Stand Alone Complex were really amazing to me when I first saw them. She never came off as insecure about her body; it was her tool, and she felt no compunction about deploying that tool in whatever way she saw fit. Even if it meant wrecking the shit out of it.

I also suspect they'll jam in some sort of romance between her and Batou, because why not.


The trailer actually does show a certain disregard for her body, and treating it as a tool. I'd say that's a positive note. It may end up being trite, but there's at least some hope that they'll take the interesting path.

I *do* hate the obligatory romance, though. I don't know why that's an action movie trope.

I remember in Pacific Rim, they kept in vague throughout the buildup, and then had alternate endings where one kissed, and the other they remained friends. They could do that, build up tension but not resolve it.

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Postby Zohar » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:58 am UTC

Huh, I didn't feel like there was sexual tension in Pacific Rim. I was very happy with that movie. Some people theorize the hero is supposed to be gay, but I preferred the movie showing a single heterosexual man and a single heterosexual woman not being potential romantic partners and just friends. It's pretty rare to have that in film (not that gay action heroes are much more common).
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby The Great Hippo » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:20 am UTC

Just do what I do: PRESUME ALL CHARACTERS ARE GAY UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

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Postby commodorejohn » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:17 am UTC

Eh, really? When I saw it in the theater it had the ending with them kissing, I'm pretty sure... Weird that they would do an alternate cut like that...I mean, it was definitely less overt than a lot of movies, but it was pretty clear what they were getting at over the course of the movie.
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commodorejohn wrote:Eh, really? When I saw it in the theater it had the ending with them kissing, I'm pretty sure... Weird that they would do an alternate cut like that...I mean, it was definitely less overt than a lot of movies, but it was pretty clear what they were getting at over the course of the movie.


Hmm I saw it in the theater too and there was no kiss at the end. I only remember it because I was surprised they didn't go with the standard trope.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby Diadem » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:33 pm UTC

Yeah, there was definitely no kissing in Pacific Rim in the version I saw. I too remember being surprised (in a very positive way) at the complete lack of romance.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:10 pm UTC

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Tyndmyr wrote:I *do* hate the obligatory romance, though. I don't know why that's an action movie trope.

First: is "obligatory romance" confirmed? It's not really obligatory if this film turns out not to have it.

I think it's an action movie trope because it sells people think it sells and therefore put it in to be safe. Or maybe it's even simpler: people expect it because it's been done so often, and any deviation from expectation may lead to deterioration of the film's visitation box office.


Oh no, not confirmed for this movie, merely agreeing that I hate the concept in general.

It's definitely not in every action movie. I have nothing wrong with romance crossover in general, it's specifically the tacked on obligatory by the numbers boring thing that so many of them have. Fury Road? Awesome. Would argue that no obligatory romance happens. Saving Private Ryan was pretty acclaimed despite not having anything of the sort. It's a trope, but it's definitely not a necessary one.

I also recall no kissing in Pacific Rim. It's possible I missed it, if it was super short, but I did enjoy the movie, and definitely don't miss the lack of this. It wasn't at all necessary for the story.

Edit: Also...Aliens. No obligatory love scene there. Also an epic action movie.

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Re: Ghost in the Shell (2017)

Postby sardia » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:48 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
Flumble wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:I *do* hate the obligatory romance, though. I don't know why that's an action movie trope.

First: is "obligatory romance" confirmed? It's not really obligatory if this film turns out not to have it.

I think it's an action movie trope because it sells people think it sells and therefore put it in to be safe. Or maybe it's even simpler: people expect it because it's been done so often, and any deviation from expectation may lead to deterioration of the film's visitation box office.


Oh no, not confirmed for this movie, merely agreeing that I hate the concept in general.

It's definitely not in every action movie. I have nothing wrong with romance crossover in general, it's specifically the tacked on obligatory by the numbers boring thing that so many of them have. Fury Road? Awesome. Would argue that no obligatory romance happens. Saving Private Ryan was pretty acclaimed despite not having anything of the sort. It's a trope, but it's definitely not a necessary one.

I also recall no kissing in Pacific Rim. It's possible I missed it, if it was super short, but I did enjoy the movie, and definitely don't miss the lack of this. It wasn't at all necessary for the story.

Edit: Also...Aliens. No obligatory love scene there. Also an epic action movie.

Anybody see the superbowl trailer for GITS? Only new thing is they take off her "face" which I didn't think happens normally. Also, I get the feeling that the guy with the weird eye googles looks really cheesy.

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Re: Ghost in the Shelf (2017)

Postby cephalopod9 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:15 pm UTC

It kind of reminding me of Sherlock, sort of dumbed down and streamlined in favor of being visually smart, and sexy, with clever nods to the original canon.

I think the could have done something interesting casting Johanson. It kind of makes sense for a generic cyborg body to look like Scarlet Johanson, and then the character could be sort of a composite performance.

There's more things I'm kind of disappointed by than things that make me want to go see it so far.

They definitely have a lot of the visuals, and some of the tone in the trailers, but the action seems kind of generic and gun-shooty, and I'm not into the anime-anatomy.

Why didn't they just give her fully purple hair, instead of stealing Mako Mori's cool high-lights?
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Re: Ghost in the Shelf (2017)

Postby sardia » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:05 pm UTC

Animated and comic book style looks ridiculous in real life. Only certain looks translate well. It's the same reason wolverine doesn't wear yellow tights.

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Re: Ghost in the Shelf (2017)

Postby cephalopod9 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:11 pm UTC

Isn't ridiculous anime comic book style the main selling point?

The trailers are playing up the not-technically-naked suit that makes her invisible, and how she can kick things really hard.

Plus, I see people with neon hair color pretty regularly at the grocery store. I don't think it's as weird as it used to be.

The trailers are making it look like she's getting her cybernetics throughout the course of the movie. So she's a young adult becoming a cyborg, instead of a veteran who's been living with as a cyborg since childhood.

If they were going to make it a pg-13 super hero origin story, why not just go the extra step and make her a teenager with blue hair?
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Re: Ghost in the Shelf (2017)

Postby sardia » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:10 pm UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:Isn't ridiculous anime comic book style the main selling point?

The trailers are playing up the not-technically-naked suit that makes her invisible, and how she can kick things really hard.

Plus, I see people with neon hair color pretty regularly at the grocery store. I don't think it's as weird as it used to be.

The trailers are making it look like she's getting her cybernetics throughout the course of the movie. So she's a young adult becoming a cyborg, instead of a veteran who's been living with a cyborg since childhood.

If they were going to make it a pg-13 super hero origin story, why not just go the extra step and make her a teenager with blue hair?

Do you want to cast Scarlet Johansson or not?
Style is the main selling point in comics and anime, you can't do that in live action. Well, it's harder to do in live action.

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Re: Ghost in the Shelf (2017)

Postby cephalopod9 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:43 am UTC

sardia wrote:Do you want to cast Scarlet Johansson or not?
I do not.
My earlier comment might have been unclear. I think it's a terrible idea to take Japanese character from a series set in Japan that deals with Japanese politics and issues and give the role to a White actress. Given that they decided to cast Johanson, I wish they'd done something more interesting.

I'm most familiar with the anime t.v. series, and it's really more of a noir drama than an action adventure story. There's talking robots, and journeys into cyber space that benefited from being animated (plus the main character wearing a bathing suit with a bomber jacket most of the time) but it isn't all that plot essential.

Which only sort of matters, because the anime imagery, and action style is about the only stuff they definitely brought to the movie.

like, they built all these cool robot props
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but then he goes and says how tricky it is to fit Japanese face masks over "European features" and i just want to groan for a day and a half.

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Re: Ghost in the Shelf (2017)

Postby Diadem » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:18 pm UTC

Watched this today.

What a piece garbage.

The visuals were pretty, but entirely devoid of any meaning. It looked like someone threw a big pile of random sci-fi / cyberpunk tropes into a blender, without any thought for logic or consistency.
Spoiler:
I imagine the writing went something like this:
"Let's do a battle in a destroyed city!"
"Ok. How did the city get destroyed?"
"Huh? Who cares? Let them fight in a destroyed city!"

"So this guy, Major's boss, he's an asshole to her in the first part of the movie right? But he does support her in the end?"
"Yeah"
"Well that means he's the Mentor Figure for her"
"I suppose so"
"So he must be a badass überninja"
"Oh! Good point! Make him immune to bullets for no fucking reason at all!"

The story was not terrible I guess, but very poorly executed, with some characters grasping for that illusive 2nd dimension, but none even bothering to try for a 3rd. Most of the plot made very little sense, with most plot events happening by a type of literal magic that in-universe was called 'hacking'. This form of magic obeyed no rules of logic or common-sense, and did whatever the plot demanded it do.

Most of the actors were pretty good, and clearly putting in a lot of effort, but it's not just enough to make this trainwreck work.
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Re: Ghost in the Shelf (2017)

Postby charliepanayi » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:29 pm UTC

Well, it's tanked in the US, so if it wants to be profitable it'll have to hope for big things from China and Japan *looks at camera*
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