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Supergirl

Postby Angua » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:36 pm UTC

Isn't there a thread for this already? Searching isn't bring it up.

Anyways, season 2 question (not really a spoiler as it's basically just a theme)

Season 1 was basically 'all the other aliens are bad because they all escaped from the super prison that also crashed when supergirl crashed to Earth. Fair enough. Season 2, the aliens have all turned into a metaphor for refugees and immigrants, which is not at all explained? (I mean, I'm all for the metaphor as a theme for a show, but this one just appeared)? Like, what are all these aliens now doing on Earth? There was obviously a galactic community out there beforehand because Kara knows all the powers of the other aliens (guess only Kryptonians, and [redacted] seemed to get special Earth powers), so why aren't all these innocent aliens on planets that have actual space travel, and intergalactic trade. It doesn't sound like there's a war going on (except on Mars), and the Kryptonian star seemed to be the only system that was affected there so no mass catastrophe on that front.

I'm now imagining all these new aliens as Anthropologists and the like, come to Earth to blend in and study our culture. Maybe there's a niche Earth tourism industry popping up, and people wanting to trade our native goods and wares.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Zohar » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:06 pm UTC

I think most of the previous Supergirl discussions happened in The Flash thread ("the 'The Flash' thread"?). Yeah I think we're just meant to assume all these aliens hung out on Earth before S1? The DEO certainly existed for a long while - not sure if before Superman's public persona or after, but it seems like they've been dealing with other aliens as well, seeing as they're professionally trained in combat and such, and not a bunch of librarians or something.

I suppose it could be argued the aliens were here all along, but S1 put them in a more prominent spot in the public eye.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Angua » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:37 pm UTC

You know, I don't think this show is going to last that long. Pro-immigration messages, saying that climate change is real....
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Zohar » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:13 pm UTC

Having seen the latest episode, I can see where you're coming from.

The current Jimmy Olsen storyline is kind of dumb. I enjoy pretty much everything else, especially Alex's storyline.

I love how honest and open the show is, and it's interesting to see how that translates to different stories they choose to tell.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Angua » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:32 pm UTC

I'm hoping that once Jimmy's latest thing is established it will work better. I find this show seems to be super bad at introductions? Like, if you stick with it, it all pays off, but the starting point is cringeworthy.

Also, yeah, I'm liking Alex's storyline as well. Still trying to figure out how I feel about
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Mon-el.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Zohar » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:06 pm UTC

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I like that he's an actual gray character and not straight-up good or evil. We haven't really had that in the show. Hank was at some point, Ms. Martian might be that, and the president might as well. But so far, they haven't had enough story for that. I hope he actually doesn't become a hero, I'd rather have that presented as a choice for people, that you can work in other ways. I'm not sure I agree with Kara that you must employ the strength you have to protect others, just because you were born with it.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Angua » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:24 pm UTC

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Yeah, Kara is being pretty annoying about it. Pretty much most other aliens (judging from the cage fights) seem to be super strong, but only Mon-El seems to be at the end of this talk. NOthing to the Martian Girl who has even shown that she likes to fight.

I did find it a bit annoying that Mon'El was taken down so easily by Kara though if they are supposed to be similar strengths. I thought he was a body guard, and to royalty at that :P
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Zohar » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:34 pm UTC

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To be fair, he is out "on parole" and Kara's been placed in charge of him. I understand her wanting him to act nice, he's technically her responsibility. But that doesn't mean he needs to go be a hero. It's not like she used her powers until 1.5 years ago, and Hank wasn't especially using his powers until she came along, either.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Angua » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:45 pm UTC

So, that got pretty dark. I guess we're hitting serious mode for the end of the season, but jeez.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Zohar » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:44 pm UTC

Haven't seen it yet, but I guess I have expectations now. In other CW-related news, this week's Jane the Virgin was fantastic.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby TimelordSimone » Wed May 24, 2017 12:18 am UTC

and so, season two draws to a close
Spoiler:
- god I missed Cat Grant so much it was wonderful to see her again
- Lena Luthor is a delight I'm glad she's apparently getting promoted to main cast
- is James Olsen even still in this show
- The whole 'aliens as persecuted minority' metaphor they sort of tried to run with didn't really work because they constantly undercut their own point?
Like, you have a gay woman draw the obvious parallel with the alien bar, and also have Kara decide she's cool with tech that allows people to out aliens (though not her, ofc) in the same episode? gross.
Finale specific, I get that it's superhero nonsense and you need A Big Button To Defeat The Alien Army but given their attempts at the persecuted minority metaphor (they literally did a deportation plot) I feel like poisoning the atmosphere for an entire species (who have no home!) is, uh. iffy, at best.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Angua » Wed May 24, 2017 9:15 am UTC

Spoiler:
I thought the double standards with the uproar about sewing the atmosphere with kryptonite at the end of the last season which was never-should-be-done thing cause supergirl and superman are good was really awful. Especially now that we have lots of good White Martians. There should have been another way, but nope. One evil queen was too much for the entire race to be written off.

I was still heartbroken when Maunel left though. sniffs.
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Zohar » Wed May 24, 2017 12:43 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Eh, I kind of disagree on the big death button. For one thing it looks like most Daxamites were like "Whatevs, we didn't even want to live
on this planet" and just left. Doesn't surprise me after their queen apparently has lost all honor and such? Hardly any Daxamites died (which you can't say about other people), and they all left. It was going to end this way no matter which magical device they had used.

And yes Cat Grant is the best thing on this show and I really wish they brought Calista Flockhart around more. Is she in anything else right now? What's stopping her from flying to Vancouver once a month to shoot for a bit? Yeah I'm not really expecting her to change her life circumstances around just for us viewers but it would be great to see more of her in S3.

As for Mon-El leaving... meh? The goodbye scene was sad, sure, and he's nice enough to look at, but he's been kind of terrible. I'm unrealistically hoping Kara and Lena get together next season, but I doubt that will happen. They have such great chemistry though!
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Re: Supergirl

Postby TimelordSimone » Wed May 24, 2017 12:54 pm UTC

Spoiler:
I don't disagree, in the specific context, really?
It's just a little incongruous, thematically, to try and do 'aliens as persecuted minority' and ALSO 'aliens as faceless evil army', to me. If that makes sense.

Also yes obviously lena/kara forever (also winn is so gay for superman sorry not sorry)
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Re: Supergirl

Postby Zohar » Wed May 24, 2017 1:11 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Hah, Winn was not even subtext, just text. I'm cool if he's going to be openly bi/pan!

I have to admit Kara has fantastic chemistry with Barry Allen but I also love the adorable sibling-like relationship they have.
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