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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby speising » Thu May 03, 2018 8:03 am UTC

it's not even a reasonable short term plan.
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if you remove half of the population, you also remove half of the farmers and everyone involved in production and distribution of goods. i'm pretty sure that a disruption like that would actually more than half the available food and other vital resources. anyway, arable land isn't the scarce resource, not even today, much less with the magitech of that universe.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby maybeagnostic » Thu May 03, 2018 10:39 am UTC

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Well, yeah, sure, but it isn't food or oil or living space that's scarce, it's resources, whatever that means.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Thu May 03, 2018 2:46 pm UTC

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Thanos doesn't have a phase 2 of his plan. He mentioned, and it's explicitly shown, that he's basically retiring after going through with it.
He truly believes this solves the problem, forever. For someone with a plan of that scope, I can't see him thinking "Oh I'll just do my small part and that's it". He doesn't lack for grandiose thinking. It wasn't a short-term solution for him, it was just "the solution".

As for Killmonger, his main issue with Wakanda is its insular nature and not supporting race struggles outside Wakanda. His plan was to distribute weapons to people of color (perhaps particularly black people) outside Wakanda to allow them to fight back. It's a good idea, if your premise is violence should be the solution to these issues, which considering his training I find very reasonable. That he became a bit megalomaniac in the end is part of what I don't like about the writing of his character, and how it switches between "incredibly intricate mastermind" and "just plain crazy". But if you remove the "just crazy" bits, there's still a lot to have there. If you remove that from Thanos, you're not left with much.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu May 03, 2018 4:54 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
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That's not what I mean. "I want to kill everyone that opposes me until I'm the only ruler" is a shitty position to have, but it's a reasonable motive for a villain. "I love death so much I want to impress her with how many people I kill" is also a reasonable motive. "I want people to stop hating on mutants so I'll turn everyone to mutants" is the same way. All three have a specific goal in mind, and the method they choose to pursue that goal makes sense. Thanos's plan won't actually achieve his goal. That's why it's stupid. His goal is fine - to make sure there's enough resources to go around.
But the solution makes zero sense.

It doesn't take a lot to be a decent villain - The Incredibles didn't have an amazing villain, but the plan was sound -
"I'll show everyone that tech is better than heroes, and sell tech to everyone". The problem was he actively wanted to harm people to achieve his goals, and his goal is not even that bad. Thanos has the same (well, greater) disregard for life, but there's multiple missing steps in his solution.


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Ah, fair.

But you either need a crappy motive or a crappy plan to be a villain in most cases. Two of the goals you listed are, to some degree, reprehensible. The mutant one, not so much. The plan, however, was a bit reprehensible. Mutating folks without their consent is...probably not going to stop hatred. There's a layer of ironic punishment in there, sure, but it's a bit like Thanos's plan. Fine goal, but the means chosen are mostly just going to unleash chaos. Killmonger, same same. Their motivations make sense, but somewhere along the way, they got fixated on a terrible solution.

Thanos's missing stuff is...a little obvious. It'd be nice if it were slightly more well thought out, I agree with you there. It could be reprehensible and still somewhat more effective(maybe repeat the killing every so often).

That said, taking his word for his motives is an incomplete picture. He kills people because they insult him, or because they are inconvenient, and so on. He clearly isn't JUST focused on saving the galaxy, even if that's his greatest goal. He very much wants to be seen as the individual who did it. To be feared, to be known. It's a less noble goal, and actually pretty consistent with his comic characterization. The guy's got a huge ego problem.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Thu May 03, 2018 5:06 pm UTC

I think we're getting into a discussion on what makes a good villain, so I'll take this out of spoilers. At the end of the day, both comic-book villains and real-life villains are people that have what you consider a skewed morality, a different set of values. It becomes more interesting if that's the main thing that differentiates them from the good guys. Consider Iron Man and Captain America in Civil War (well, maybe the comic-book Civil War, not the necessarily the movie). They both agree that protecting people is important, but they disagree on the costs involved. They both have plans or way they want to address things, but they disagree, and it makes for a better conflict. My point is, I think it's possible, though difficult, to make a villain that makes a whole lot of sense when you look at their base assumptions, and what you disagree with is their base assumptions. Same goes for the antagonist in Watchmen, for instance.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu May 03, 2018 5:12 pm UTC

Oh, indeed. Different values do help, and we definitely see...different values in play here. Even if we agreed as to the problem, our values would probably not embrace the same solution.

Civil War, I greatly enjoyed, because the reasonably small difference sort of explodes. It's probably one of the most reasonable values differences in the MCU. Ronan the Destroyer or Malekith...not so much. Hard to empathize with them as much, yknow? Yeah, they might have a reasonable plan to acheive their goals, but they're sufficiently out there in goals that they feel a lot less complex as characters. I mean, GotG was great, but it wasn't because of the villain. Vulture, on the other hand....fantastic.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Thu May 03, 2018 5:39 pm UTC

100% agreed. Vulture is one of the few villains I felt was actually scary, too.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby OP Tipping » Fri May 04, 2018 9:24 am UTC

There are a couple of references to Kevin Bacon in A:IW that seemed cute at the time, maybe a bit out of place, but I now think they are likely references to the effect that the movie will have on the average Bacon Number.

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AYPK, an actor’s Bacon Number is the minimum number of “links” (ie instances of a pair of actors both being in a movie’s cast) needed to connect that actor to Kevin Bacon.

e.g. Charlie Sheen was in Platoon with Dale Dye, who was in JFK with Kevin Bacon. There are no closer links than that, so Charlie Sheen has a Bacon Number of 2. Most actors have a Bacon number of 3.

The average of all actor’s Bacon Numbers, right now, is 3.028. This is a dynamically updated number, which changes every time a movie is listed on IMDb.

Of course, you can do this with actors other than Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon, for instance, has a Charlie Sheen Number that is also 2 (obviously).

The average of all Charlie Sheen Numbers is 3.023, actually a bit lower than the average Bacon Number.

The average Samuel L. Jackson Number 2.877. There was a time not long ago that Samuel L. Jackson had the lowest average among all actors, but now he’s third on the list.

Right now, Eric Roberts has the lowest average: 2.848. Eric Roberts is not among the world’s most highly acclaimed actors but he’s been in a couple of hundred movies, including several with multiple A-listers.

So this average is not a measure of how notable, acclaimed, or good an actor is. Daniel Day-Lewis has a mediocre average of 3.115, compared to that brother of Ron Howard with the teeth who was in Gentle Ben whose average is a very low 2.958. Day-Lewis is very particular about what films to appear in, so he has not been in many, whereas Ron Howard’s brother has been in hundreds of movies.

Most actors you’ve ever heard of will have an average between 2.9 and 3.3.

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Avengers: Infinity War is like the Grand Central Station of Bacon Numbers. It has a very large cast including a couple of dozen actors I’d consider highly notable, people who’ve worked elsewhere in various genres, over a great age range, not even considering that these people have been in other “Bacon heavy” movies in the MCU, a series that contains such “central” actors as Ben Kingsley, Anthony Hopkins, Matt Damon, Harry Dean Stanton, Stellan Skarsgård, Jeff Goldblum, Mickey Rourke, all of whom have very low averages.

A:IW features the following actors with averages under 3.15:

Samuel L. Jackson (2.877)
Stan Lee (2.964)
Robert Downey Jr (2.969)
William Hurt (2.968)
Josh Brolin (2.991)
Benecio del Toro (3.001)
Scarlett Johansson (3.008)
Don Cheadle (3.009)
Gwyneth Paltrow (3.011)
Mark Ruffalo (3.015)
Anthony Mackie (3.019)
Bradley Cooper (3.048)
Zoe Saldana (3.055)
Paul Bettany (3.059)
Chris Evans (3.068)
Idris Elba (3.074)
Vin Diesel (3.077)
Peter Dinklage (3.088)
Chris Pratt (3.111)
Benedict Cumberbatch (3.116)
Chris Hemsworth (3.119)
Tom Hiddleston (3.131)
Sebastian Stan (3.137)

If an actor has appeared in this film, and in nothing else, they will have an average of 3.717.

All data are from https://oracleofbacon.org/, and current as at 4 May 2018. These numbers change as more movies are released.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby rmsgrey » Fri May 04, 2018 2:37 pm UTC

OP Tipping wrote:There are a couple of references to Kevin Bacon in A:IW that seemed cute at the time, maybe a bit out of place, but I now think they are likely references to the effect that the movie will have on the average Bacon Number.


They're pretty obvious callbacks to past Guardians movies, so they kinda fit in terms of introducing the team to other MCU people, though Kevin Bacon being picked as a reference in the first movie may have been influenced by Bacon Numbers. I don't know how much attention Hollywood people pay to them compared to film fans.

Still, an excuse to play with numbers is always fun.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Fri May 04, 2018 2:42 pm UTC

That's really cool, thanks for the insight! This is completely unrelated to Avengers, but I wonder how this works for long-dead actors. Like what's Marlon Brando's Bacon number? Lon Chaney? Etc. (apparently their numbers are 2 and 3, respectively)
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Raidri » Fri May 04, 2018 3:19 pm UTC

Seems like Marvel missed a great opportunity by not giving Kevin Bacon a cameo appearance in A:IW, maybe in the next movie :D

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Fri May 04, 2018 3:44 pm UTC

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Would have been fantastic to just get a shot of him going dust. But that would probably ruin the dramatic tension OH WAIT THERE ISN'T ANY BECAUSE NONE OF THESE DEATHS MEAN ANYTHING AND WILL ALL BE RETCONNED
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Chen » Fri May 04, 2018 4:45 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
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Would have been fantastic to just get a shot of him going dust. But that would probably ruin the dramatic tension OH WAIT THERE ISN'T ANY BECAUSE NONE OF THESE DEATHS MEAN ANYTHING AND WILL ALL BE RETCONNED


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Definitely felt that a all the dusting deaths were pointless and I wondered why they bothered trying to make it dramatic. But then I'm not sure the majority of people do. My parents saw the movie and were utterly shocked because they're not following the out of movie info related to all these things. They figured there'd be a sequel just in the general sense rather than knowing Avengers 4 is already in prelim works. They aren't looking at who already has signed deals for upcoming movies or anything. Considering how much money this thing is making I imagine there's probably a decent chunk of people in that same boat.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby rmsgrey » Fri May 04, 2018 5:07 pm UTC

Chen wrote:
Zohar wrote:
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Would have been fantastic to just get a shot of him going dust. But that would probably ruin the dramatic tension OH WAIT THERE ISN'T ANY BECAUSE NONE OF THESE DEATHS MEAN ANYTHING AND WILL ALL BE RETCONNED


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Definitely felt that a all the dusting deaths were pointless and I wondered why they bothered trying to make it dramatic. But then I'm not sure the majority of people do. My parents saw the movie and were utterly shocked because they're not following the out of movie info related to all these things. They figured there'd be a sequel just in the general sense rather than knowing Avengers 4 is already in prelim works. They aren't looking at who already has signed deals for upcoming movies or anything. Considering how much money this thing is making I imagine there's probably a decent chunk of people in that same boat.


Another point some people have been making:

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The deaths may not mean anything to us as genre-savvy viewers but they are significant to the characters and feed into their motivations for the sequel. It's not just "magic wand gets waved and it's like X never died", but rather that the survivors have to work hard to earn the mulligan. We know where it's going, but not how it's going to get there.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Fri May 04, 2018 5:33 pm UTC

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No doubt work and sacrifice (and probably the death of at least some of the original Avengers) will be involved in bringing these people back.
Once Captain America dies in the next one we'll be sad. But until then - this doesn't mean anything. The movie also makes it painfully clear, even without knowing about existing contracts and whatnot, that this is all part of Dr. Strange's plan. The only thing that surprised me about the ending was that it was such a cliffhanger, not that people died.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri May 04, 2018 5:53 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Yeah, dusting is definitely getting reversed.

We also do have some non-dusting deaths. Those might stick. Loki in particular, it seems as if they went to great pains to telegraph his staying dead.

So, potentially as many as three real deaths in this film, even if the dusting gets reversed. There may be some random bullshit Wakandian way to revive Vision, but given how they talked up the complexity of removing the crystal, and the gross damage depicted....it seems unlikely/implausible.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby rmsgrey » Fri May 04, 2018 9:45 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
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Yeah, dusting is definitely getting reversed.

We also do have some non-dusting deaths. Those might stick. Loki in particular, it seems as if they went to great pains to telegraph his staying dead.

So, potentially as many as three real deaths in this film, even if the dusting gets reversed. There may be some random bullshit Wakandian way to revive Vision, but given how they talked up the complexity of removing the crystal, and the gross damage depicted....it seems unlikely/implausible.

I agree with your general point, but differ with your count:

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Heimdall - almost certainly staying dead.
Loki - heavily signposted as really, really, really dead for real this time we really mean it for real, honest! On the other hand, it's Loki, so...
Gamora - high probability of revival, despite the dramatic weight of Thanos killing her.
Vision - between Wanda's magic and Shuri's having a recent scan of him, even if he's not restored as part of whatever fixes the dusting, there's an excellent chance of his being repaired some other way.


edit: (rather than double-posting)

There's one thing that bothered me a little at the time, and has kept nagging at me:

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The Infinity Stones are a fundamental part of the universe - things that have been there since the beginning, and which control and define vital aspects of the universe. So if one is destroyed, what happens? According to the movie, the answer is "a modest explosion", rather than "the entire universe starts to unravel" or "that aspect of the universe changes unpredictably".

Even if destroying a Stone doesn't have cosmic implications, we're talking about things where their incidental power output makes a lethal weapon. Releasing all the energy contained in a single Stone at once should leave a pretty substantial crater, not just emit a shockwave. This is something unleashing enough energy to disintegrate vibranium...

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby OP Tipping » Sun May 06, 2018 12:43 pm UTC

One way they could bring Kevin Bacon in is if it turned out that Johann Schmidt is Klaus Schmidt's brother in the Red Skull Origins: A Marvel Story. This would also be the way to bring the Mutants into the MCU.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Yakk » Mon May 07, 2018 2:58 am UTC

No one is mentioning the most interesting statement/orphan in the movie?
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Why does Thanos know Stark, and why is that the curse of knowledge?
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby ConMan » Mon May 07, 2018 3:57 am UTC

Yakk wrote:No one is mentioning the most interesting statement/orphan in the movie?
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Why does Thanos know Stark, and why is that the curse of knowledge?

I took that to mean that
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he is acknowledging Tony as a fellow genius, possibly having heard about him from Loki. The "curse of knowledge" is because Thanos sees himself as a bit of a Cassandra - he "knew" the way to save his planet, but no-one listened to him and so instead millions had to suffer.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby ConMan » Mon May 07, 2018 4:02 am UTC

rmsgrey wrote:
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Heimdall - almost certainly staying dead.
Loki - heavily signposted as really, really, really dead for real this time we really mean it for real, honest! On the other hand, it's Loki, so...
Gamora - high probability of revival, despite the dramatic weight of Thanos killing her.
Vision - between Wanda's magic and Shuri's having a recent scan of him, even if he's not restored as part of whatever fixes the dusting, there's an excellent chance of his being repaired some other way.

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I agree about Heimdall and Gamora. Loki I also pretty much agree with - first, it's Loki. Second, after he gave Thanos the tessaract he walked off into the shadows before coming back, which is practically short-hand for "he made a hologram version of himself to get killed".

As for Vision, I agree it's a tricky question. They set up so much about him possibly surviving without the mind stone, so it makes sense that they'll bring him back sans stone. On the other hand, it could also be an opportunity to give Wanda a "House of M"-style moment.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Mon May 07, 2018 2:45 pm UTC

I happened upon a piece of news from the director of a future MCU movie that reveals some info about the characters in this one. So, future-spoilers I guess?
It's about (only infinity war spoilers):
Spoiler:
Gamora's death


The piece of news is: (future spoilers)
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Apparently James Gunn, the director of GotG 1 and 2, is going to be making GotG 3 and has said he'd like it to revolve a lot more around Zoe Seldana than Chris Pratt. While I suppose that leaves the possibility that Gamora has another twin sister we've never known about, to me it pretty much confirm her death is going to get reversed too.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby speising » Mon May 07, 2018 3:04 pm UTC

one word: flashbacks.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Mon May 07, 2018 3:06 pm UTC

speising wrote:one word: flashbacks.

Possible, but I would be surprised if that's what they end up going with.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon May 07, 2018 4:13 pm UTC

ConMan wrote:
Yakk wrote:No one is mentioning the most interesting statement/orphan in the movie?
Spoiler:
Why does Thanos know Stark, and why is that the curse of knowledge?

I took that to mean that
Spoiler:
he is acknowledging Tony as a fellow genius, possibly having heard about him from Loki. The "curse of knowledge" is because Thanos sees himself as a bit of a Cassandra - he "knew" the way to save his planet, but no-one listened to him and so instead millions had to suffer.


Spoiler:
That's made explicit in the film. He says "Loki told me of you".

Also, re the earlier comment, yeah, I'd left out Heimdall in my count, my bad. He's exceedingly likely to stay dead as well. Agreed that both Gamora and Vision have a better shot at returning. Computer-based whatever allows a different actor to easily take the latter mantle with a justification, and Gamora could be inside the soul stone, given the nature of her death.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby speising » Mon May 07, 2018 4:45 pm UTC

oh yeah, that's a good theory, and let's not forget that "dream scene" near the end.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Sableagle » Mon May 07, 2018 8:29 pm UTC

Saw this on Sunday.

There are Avengers in it, there are views to Infinity and there is War.

Beyond that, anything to be said about it is a spoiler, really.

It's a bit weird, though. It doesn't feel like a film in its own right. I know it's just "Marvel Universe, Cinematic Version, Episode 23" or however many there've been so far, but ...
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EVERYONE in it has backstory in the other films that is required to make sense of this one. Iron Man? Iron Man 2? Honestly, you can watch those in Thai and not understand a word, and just guess at the plot and most clichéd lines possible and the only errors you'd make would be in underestimating how clichéd the lines were. Thor? That's hilarious and fun and stands alone just fine. Avengers Assemble? That does have lots of back-story but it works pretty well if you haven't watched the backstory. Infinity War, though, is a continuation of a lot of stories.

That's another thing, actually. It's a lot of stories. They cross over and interlink sometimes, but there are bits of a lot of stories here. There is not a story to follow.

Then there's the end, or rather there isn't. If you take that as the end, yeesh that's depressing. This being Marvel, though, and the Winter Soldier and Captain America having come back from things arguable more likely to kill you than having a hole made in your skull and Vision having been plugged into a computer that was redesigning him a bit at a time around the crystal to get it out and presumably being Jesus and Moses (saving and making incremental backups), I'm far from convinced that he's dead, and Doctor Strange gave Thanos the Time stone to make sure that Iron Man would live, then told Iron Man that it was the only way. He must have seen a possible future from that point in which Thanos "wins" and then ... Gamora comes back, steals the Gauntlet and undoes all the damage, or something. There's that after-credits scene, too. I had to ask whose icon that was, and we don't see whether it gets answered, but there's that. Obviously there's meant to be a next film. That makes this "Marvel Universe, Cinematic Version, Episode 23 of at least 24, probably more like 30." So, yeah, not really a film in the usual sense.


Then there's Thanos himself.
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Well played to try to make his motivation make sense, but are we really supposed to believe he got to thinking that way while living on an over-populated planet that was so totally devoid or arseholes he couldn't come up with a better plan than "50% by lottery" and so rich with AI that he never thought to exclude things like "all the flight crew on any commercial passenger flight" from that? He's got emotions, but he didn't think there was anything wrong with killing off half of each family? Alright, technically, he's not breaking the "no parent should have to bury their child" rule, but that rule's not really about the need to inter small corpses, you know? Guy's an arsehole himself. In Earth's case, how about starting with ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, that mining company killing indigenous tribes to stop them protesting against its plan to strip-mine 20% of the South American rainforest, everyone in favour of female genital mutilation, neo-nazis, the people behind all those emails I get purporting to be from Santander in Brasil, the people behind the account-stealing in-game-gold-shop websites, the biggest bully in each year of each school with more than 20 students per year, Stormfront, Fred Phelps and NAMBLA?
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Mon May 07, 2018 8:52 pm UTC

This movie is basically a season finale.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby rmsgrey » Tue May 08, 2018 1:54 am UTC

Sableagle wrote:Then there's Thanos himself.


Yeah.

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It doesn't take godlike intelligence to both poke holes in Thanos' plan and to come up with better alternatives that won't have the entire galaxy (or at least the survivors) coming after you. For example, permanently limiting the birth rate would pass largely unnoticed until far too late, but would be much more effective at limiting the population long-term than removing half the population and letting the remainder reproduce to replace them.

Being selective about who to kill might be an improvement in some ways, but requires some way of assessing individuals across some vast number of worlds, with different cultures, etc - a cosmic lottery is significantly easier to setup.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Pfhorrest » Tue May 08, 2018 2:10 am UTC

The good news is, with the Time Stone, it's still perfectly possible for Thanos to do any of these better plans you're proposing.

A part of me expects him to end up unhappy with how things stand and want to undo them, and for that to factor in to the sequel, but having the bad guy decide that his evil plan wasn't a good idea after all and just undo it with a snap of his fingers doesn't sounds like it'd make for great dramatic tension.

Oh yeah, also: I saw the movie this weekend and had no strong feelings one way or another about it. Right in the middle of the three Avengers movies so far IMO; better than Age of Ultron but nowhere near the first one. I think my biggest disappointment was not seeing my favorite and most powerful heroes, like Strange and Vision, really get to show off their power as much as I'd have liked; it sorta felt like a lot of characters got nerfed a bit (or made to sit on their hands) just so Thanos could be a big enough badass without the whole battle becoming one big reality-bending fest between Strange and Thanos leaving nobody else anything else to do. I think Hulk getting Worfed at the beginning was enough to set up Thanos as a badass without nerfing Strange and Vision though.

Speaking of Hulk, I've got a theory about wtf was going on with him and Bruce throughout the movie:
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THANOS BEAT HULK. HULK NOT STRONGEST ONE OF ALL. HULK SAD. PUNY BANNER FIGHT THANOS HIMSELF WHILE HULK SULK.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue May 08, 2018 6:54 am UTC

Spoiler related to the current U.S. season of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (warning, Pfhorrest discusses this, too):
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Finally watched the most recent (last Friday's) episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which mentioned the arrival of Thanos at Earth. Presumably the turning-to-dust thing is going to affect the S.H.I.E.L.D. folks, too.[/spoiler

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[spoiler]Really weird energy as we left the theater. Everyone had stayed through the credits, and saw more of the oddly-non-simultaneous dust syndrome affecting various people over the course of, what, two minutes? Three? You'd expect something like what Thanos did to be a little more instantaneous. Anyway, then everyone got up to leave verrrrry quietly. Almost as quiet as the audience after seeing A Quiet Place. I guess everyone was still trying to process what had happened, and figure out how Marvel (or Captain Marvel) is going to revive all these geese that lay such golden eggs, in the next one.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Pfhorrest » Tue May 08, 2018 7:00 am UTC

ObsessoMom wrote:
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Finally watched the most recent (last Friday's) Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which mentioned the arrival of Thanos at Earth. Presumably the turning-to-dust thing is going to affect the S.H.I.E.L.D. folks, too.

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I'm wondering about that. Since the episode before that seems to take place on the same day (it also mentions ongoing events from Infinity War, albeit more obliquely), I wonder if the last two episodes will continue to take place on the same day too, and this season's events will end chronologically before the dusting happens.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue May 08, 2018 7:05 am UTC

Further spoilers related to the current U.S. season of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.:

Pfhorrest wrote:
ObsessoMom wrote:
Spoiler:
Finally watched the most recent (last Friday's) Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which mentioned the arrival of Thanos at Earth. Presumably the turning-to-dust thing is going to affect the S.H.I.E.L.D. folks, too.

Spoiler:
I'm wondering about that. Since the episode before that seems to take place on the same day (it also mentions ongoing events from Infinity War, albeit more obliquely), I wonder if the last two episodes will continue to take place on the same day too, and this season's events will end chronologically before the dusting happens.


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Then again, the story arc of this whole season of S.H.I.E.L.D. has been about trying to prevent a really nasty timeline from happening at all, so if they are successful, a bunch of current realities on the show (and maybe in the Infinity War movie, too?) are going to reset and not happen. So there's that.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby rmsgrey » Tue May 08, 2018 5:03 pm UTC

International note: over here (UK), Agents of SHIELD has just returned to the present (~9 episodes behind) so it would be considerate to mark SHIELD spoilers separately. Thanks.

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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Sableagle » Tue May 08, 2018 5:39 pm UTC

It would have been funny if
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Thanos had snapped his fingers and turned himself to dust.

Also the
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destruction of an Infinity Stone leaves a wonderful opening for the instant creation of a new one elsewhere, which would lead to a long-term fight and race in which both sides are trying to assemble the full set, but one's willing to destroy them to keep them out of the other's hands if it comes to it.


So suggestions for other Infinity Stones? Infinite cuddles? Infinite kittens? Infinite guacamole?

Infinite guacamole from your left hand, infinite salsa from your right, and if you can level up enough to eject 55% your own mass per second at 9.8 m/s on each side, you can fly! If you can make it extra spicy, 1 kg of salsa at 200 m/s is a very scary weapon, too, but let's go back to the flying thing. Just what would it be like to have a neighbour who responded to the Bat Signal by performing a vertical take-off on parallel blasts of guacamole and salsa? Assuming you're not allergic to the ingredients, would it ruin your life or could you sell it by the bucketful? Would such a superhero be able to save Tuvalu, or does the stuff just not rot down quickly enough?

Spicy or not, 1 kg at 200 m/s has terrifying recoil.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Tue May 08, 2018 5:58 pm UTC

If you're not gonna have chips or something with this then what's the use of this power? We need a nacho stone.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Ixtellor » Wed May 09, 2018 6:58 pm UTC

To everyone who has a problem with Thanos's motivation
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1) He lost his home planet to the reason he states. (As far as we know) Even if thats not why his planet died, its why he believed it died. So his logic is based on an actual occurrence that clearly traumatized him. The fact he can't get over this experience is a common real world phenomenon.

2) There are plenty of real world examples of this very thing occuring. Believing something thats clearly dumb will solve a problem. (See Trump wanting to build a Wall). Literally the most powerful human on earth thinks a wall is going to solve problems in his country. (Ever heard of ladders?)

So its not a stretch to except that Thanos wants to kill half of life to preserve resources.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Wed May 09, 2018 7:14 pm UTC

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That doesn't convince me. Especially the second point. Thanos is trying to look for a long-term solution. He's not looking to be popular,
or to conserve his own political influence, or anything like that. He just wants to retire once he's done. He doesn't care about appearances. He truly thinks his plan will solve the issue. This is vastly different from a politician who tries to promise something.

Besides, I would be incredibly surprised if Trump thinks building the wall will actually stop immigrants. I very much doubt that's his goal.
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Ixtellor » Wed May 09, 2018 7:35 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
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That doesn't convince me. Especially the second point. Thanos is trying to look for a long-term solution. He's not looking to be popular,
or to conserve his own political influence, or anything like that. He just wants to retire once he's done. He doesn't care about appearances. He truly thinks his plan will solve the issue. This is vastly different from a politician who tries to promise something.

Besides, I would be incredibly surprised if Trump thinks building the wall will actually stop immigrants. I very much doubt that's his goal.


Fair point about Trump. But what about Grover Norquist the creator of Americans for Tax Reform. He created one of the most influential groups in the USA because of a dream he had as a child. He is a true believer in his silly idea and has ascended to a pretty high stature.

My point being:
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I think its plausible that intelligent people can believe dumb things. (See Religion)
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Re: Avengers: Infinity War

Postby Zohar » Wed May 09, 2018 7:43 pm UTC

Your point about religion is absolute hateful bullshit. As for smart people sometimes doing dumb or bad things? Sure. This was a bit over the top.
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