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Postby Fenrir » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:11 am UTC

So, I just saw Beowulf the movie and I have to say I was impressed. The producers managed to stick fairly close to the story except for in a few parts (not going to give spoilers here). And for some reason it kind of reminded me of 300. I really hate to nit pick but I did notice a few minor problems. His chainmail was weaved sideways and looked really awkward.

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Re: Beowulf

Postby alphacenturi » Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:18 am UTC

was it as good as 300?
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Postby Tuke » Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:51 am UTC

Is it really PG-13 though? I've seen the R rated trailer, but everywhere I look it's rated PG-13 or 14A. I definitely want to go see it, but I'm not sure what to expect from it in this respect.
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Postby JayDee » Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:41 pm UTC

Tuke wrote:Is it really PG-13 though? I've seen the R rated trailer, but everywhere I look it's rated PG-13 or 14A. I definitely want to go see it, but I'm not sure what to expect from it in this respect.

Neil Gaiman (co-writer) has this on his blog today:
Neil Gaiman wrote:And I just picked up Maddy and her friends from a screening of Beowulf. Maddy found it just as scary as last time, and I am unconvinced that an audience of 13 year old girls is entirely what Beowulf is aimed at.

Which is probably not much help at all. I certainly plan on seeing it, I even plan on making the effort to see it an IMAX (who have the movie as Rated: M "Animated violence, Sexual references" here in Australia, M being not recommended for under 15s.) But I've been excited about this film for a long time.

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Re: Beowulf

Postby Master Gunner » Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:50 am UTC

eh, I just saw it a couple hours ago, and didn't really like it. It was an okay movie overall, but, especially in the latter half of the movie, diverged wildly from the original text. Also most of the characters just screamed uncanny valley at me (except for Beowulf [except when he was nude] and his side-kick guy), especially in the first bit of the movie in the meadhall. So a good movie, but would have appealed to me more if it had been an original story rather than a (imo) bastardization of the original story. Especially since 'Beowulf and Grendel' only came out a couple years ago, and I found to be a fairly good adaptation.

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Re: Beowulf

Postby pieaholicx » Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:45 pm UTC

alphacenturi wrote:was it as good as 300?

This is one thing that has annoyed me, people comparing Beowulf to 300. They are vastly different movies with vastly different origins. The only ways that they're close is that they're about men fighting things with melee weapons.

Now, as for the movie itself, I saw the 3D version of it (for those that don't know, they're both animated, but one requires 3D glasses). I'd say that while the 3D does add some extra effect, I don't think you'll lose out on not seeing it in 3D. As for the story itself, I found the parts with Grendel to be perfect in their telling, however the rest was a big variation. However, I personally enjoyed the variation. I think that rating a movie based on its trueness to a story isn't very fair to the movie, since the variant story may be just as good if not better than the original.

I will say that I wish the original used this dragon death. It was awesome.
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Postby JayDee » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:11 am UTC

pieaholicx wrote:I think that rating a movie based on its trueness to a story isn't very fair to the movie, since the variant story may be just as good if not better than the original.

Sometimes rating a movie on fidelity to the source is justifiable. Depends on how the movie is presented. If something is being billed as a definitive version or whatever, fidelity is one of the main things I'll be judging it on.

Having said that, all I know about Beowulf I know from Neil Gaiman. So I'd be expecting variation. The marketing may be creating different expectations.

pieaholicx wrote:Now, as for the movie itself, I saw the 3D version of it (for those that don't know, they're both animated, but one requires 3D glasses). I'd say that while the 3D does add some extra effect, I don't think you'll lose out on not seeing it in 3D.

That I'm glad to hear. I want to see it in 3D at imax (something I've never done before) but knowing this I won't be as fussed.

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Postby spi » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:57 am UTC

I saw it in 3D this weekend. Thought it was a pretty good flickr. The graphics at times do hit the uncanny valley. Though not enough to seriously detract from the story.

I liked the story over all. It has been so long since I read Beowulf I can't say I know exactly what was different. :)

Some of the fight sequences are pretty kick ass in 3D.
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Postby alkatmsu » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:40 am UTC

Am I the only one who wanted to yell "Tis but a flesh wound!" toward the end when Beowulf's friend is wanting to take him to the healer?

And yeah, "I am Beowulf!" reminded me of "This is Sparta!" so badly... wanted to yell that too.

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Postby pieaholicx » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:20 pm UTC

alkatmsu wrote:Am I the only one who wanted to yell "Tis but a flesh wound!" toward the end when Beowulf's friend is wanting to take him to the healer?

When he's fighting the dragon my fiancee says "oh wow, he [portion removed due to spoiler]"<.<, and I turn to her and say "'tis but a flesh wound."
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Re: Beowulf

Postby Oort » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:48 am UTC

No, it is not as good as 300.

I watched it 2 days ago. It diverged quite a lot from the original, and personally I just didn't enjoy it all that much. It was fun sometimes but it could have been better.

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Postby william » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:50 am UTC

alkatmsu wrote:Am I the only one who wanted to yell "Tis but a flesh wound!" toward the end when Beowulf's friend is wanting to take him to the healer?

And yeah, "I am Beowulf!" reminded me of "This is Sparta!" so badly... wanted to yell that too.

Two of my friends were yelling that yesterday. They also mentioned the idea of Beowulf vs Leonidas.
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Postby pieaholicx » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:02 pm UTC

william wrote:
alkatmsu wrote:Am I the only one who wanted to yell "Tis but a flesh wound!" toward the end when Beowulf's friend is wanting to take him to the healer?

And yeah, "I am Beowulf!" reminded me of "This is Sparta!" so badly... wanted to yell that too.

Two of my friends were yelling that yesterday. They also mentioned the idea of Beowulf vs Leonidas.

Beowulf would win.

I mean come on...
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Beowulf kills 2 demons (in the original story) and a dragon. The first demon with his bare hands, the second with just a sword, and he did use a shield against the dragon. I'd like to see Leonidas do all that.
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Re: Beowulf

Postby Jesse » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:26 pm UTC

So I just saw this, and I thought it was ace. There were some definite Gaiman/Avary moments to it, which was nice to see, some bits of badassery, and the CGI was pretty lovely for the majority of the film (Though it broke down during some of the action scenes).

I can see a lot of people hating this film, but I enjoyed it for sure.

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Re: Beowulf

Postby Narsil » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:46 am UTC

I thought this was a fantastic movie. Absolutely amazing. It doesn't need to be compared with 300 though, not because one is better, but it just doesn't. And if I hear one other person say "Oh, that's just a rip-off of 300" without knowing that Beowulf is a pre-existing story, I will kill them.
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Postby JayDee » Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:58 am UTC

Narsil wrote:I thought this was a fantastic movie. Absolutely amazing. It doesn't need to be compared with 300 though, not because one is better, but it just doesn't. And if I hear one other person say "Oh, that's just a rip-off of 300" without knowing that Beowulf is a pre-existing story, I will kill them.

Not to mention that the script for this adaption was written in 1997, and the 300 comic was printed in 1998.

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Re: Beowulf

Postby Savage Karate Attack » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:29 am UTC

Well, my brother went and saw it, and he liked it so much he went out, bought it, and read it in one night. Absolutely loved it.

That's gotta count for something, right?

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Re: Beowulf

Postby mrguy753 » Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:51 am UTC

I have to say, this movie has to have some of the DUMBEST dialogue i have heard in years. It was like they were trying to keep some speck of historical accuracy, but then made it more modern for laughs and such. That said, the animation was spectacular. I saw it in 3D, and it was a really fun ride.
I might have to believe Roger Ebert, who said "the intention of director Robert Zemeckis and writers Neil Gaiman and Roger Avary was satirical". There's no way this was intended to be tottaly serious.
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Re: Beowulf

Postby Narsil » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:05 am UTC

They were definitely having fun with that, I totally agree.

It was a very interesting blend of on-the-edge of your seat action and humor. I didn't like how all the characters, however, were more or less morally bankrupt. I mean, flawed characters are nice, but there are some moments that are like "oh, hey, here;s an opportunity for you to redeem yoursel- no, wait, you are that much of a jackass".
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Postby Jesse » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:51 am UTC

It's Gaiman, I've never seen him be serious in anything.

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Re: Beowulf

Postby Zohar » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:34 pm UTC

I saw it yesterday. The first fight scene was ridiculous. I didn't find it very satirical at the time... The movie isn't that good, I thought. Not too bad, but not great. The animation ranged from "Are you sure this is CG?" to "Reminds me of Toy Story". Seriously, some parts looked really bad compared to the best parts (horses were crappy...).
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Re: Beowulf

Postby Narsil » Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:18 pm UTC

Jesster wrote:It's Gaiman, I've never seen him be serious in anything.
True, even American Gods is way silly in parts. ("Wanna see Lucy's tits" anyone?")
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Postby william » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:33 am UTC

Narsil wrote:They were definitely having fun with that, I totally agree.

It was a very interesting blend of on-the-edge of your seat action and humor. I didn't like how all the characters, however, were more or less morally bankrupt. I mean, flawed characters are nice, but there are some moments that are like "oh, hey, here;s an opportunity for you to redeem yoursel- no, wait, you are that much of a jackass".

Yeah, those guys were actually the height of morality in the time that they were written.
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Re: Beowulf

Postby Narsil » Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:27 am UTC

Touché, good sir.
I guess I really wanted to like Beowulf the character a bit more, but it did make it more interesting to have him be, well, an asshole. You don't see that a lot in your knight-slaying-a-dragon tales.
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Re: Beowulf

Postby Vanguard » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:44 pm UTC

I don't remember Beowulf fighting Grendel nude but come on people, that's something he would DO, isn't it? So I'm not too angry about that. It was a fun scene.

Great movie in my opinion.
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Postby FoS » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:16 pm UTC

Vanguard wrote:I don't remember Beowulf fighting Grendel nude but come on people, that's something he would DO, isn't it? So I'm not too angry about that. It was a fun scene.

Great movie in my opinion.


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Re: Beowulf

Postby Rodan » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:03 pm UTC

I thought it was pretty good. Sure, the characters weren't sympathetic, sure the movie doesn't benefit from motion capture, sure the Austin Powers-esque strategic placement was just silly, but as far as action goes, it was pretty good.

Motion capture and 3d are still two fads that should really be laid to rest.

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Postby b.i.o » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:03 pm UTC

I saw it and really didn't like it.

The CGI humans and horses were very disappointing to me--most of them didn't look real at all and a lot of the animation looked either forced or far too fluid to be anywhere near realistic. The environments/dragon were beautiful, but people are very hard to do well, and the horses were just awful.

A lot of the dialogue was pretty bad as well.

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Postby Pai » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:03 pm UTC

When I saw that the demon mother had stiletto heels built into her feet, it become impossible for me to appreciate the movie as anything other than cheesy B-level silliness. I mean, come on.
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Re: Beowulf

Postby dinomite » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:26 pm UTC

Silver2Falcon wrote:The CGI humans and horses were very disappointing to me--most of them didn't look real at all and a lot of the animation looked either forced or far too fluid to be anywhere near realistic. The environments/dragon were beautiful, but people are very hard to do well, and the horses were just awful.


Sorry to dredge this up from the depths (of a week ago), but I just saw Beowulf last night and had much the same reaction. Maybe I'm remembering Final Fantasy through rose-colored glasses, but I really thought CG would have come a lot further in the past 6 years. The movement at times (such as when Beowulf removed his cloak late in the film) was quite terrible, and from the beginning I noticed things, like Beowulf's ponytail, that reminded me of cut scenes from games.

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Re: Beowulf

Postby MaximoBean » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:30 pm UTC

I've seen it twice now, once in 3D and once normal.
It's so much better in 3D I have to say.

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Re: Beowulf

Postby Savoy_Truffle » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:18 pm UTC

I'm not too much of a fan of Mel Gibson, but I have to say that when I heard he wasn't leading this one, I was sad.... Could you imagine the artistic carnage! :P
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Re: Beowulf

Postby arbivark » Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:28 am UTC

I haven't seen it yet. I want to, even if it's bad, because I'm a randy shelly fan. He plays "boy"; I don't know if he has any lines, but it's the biggest movie he's been in yet.

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Beowulf opens nationally today. Official site. Featuring special effects including performance capture and digital 3D, the olde English public domain classic comes to life with cast including Angelina Jolie(nekked), Anthony Hopkins, Crispin Glover, Ray Winstone, John Malkovich and Randy Shelly. Crew includes Neil Gaiman (Sandman), Robert Zemeckis (Polar Express), Roger Avery (Pulp Fiction.) Tie-ins include a videogame. Coverage includes Wired, the New York Times, Reuters and Imdb.

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Re: Beowulf

Postby Axman » Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:52 am UTC

Narsil wrote:And if I hear one other person say "Oh, that's just a rip-off of 300" without knowing that Beowulf is a pre-existing story, I will kill them.


But... 480 BC.

And I think that Beowulf is stock reading in most high schools, I don't know anyone who didn't study it for English lit. People are comparing the two because
pieaholicx wrote:The only ways that they're close is that they're about men fighting things with melee weapons.
is a fucking fact and people don't give a God damn about scimitars being different from falchions. But nekkid swordsmen on CG backdrops is a little too pervasive not to make the comparison.






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