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Re: Doctor Who

Postby sugarhyped » Sun May 30, 2010 9:12 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:The ring will be important later. Calling it now.

ha. called it last episode when rory went to pit it back in the tardis.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby sanguine » Mon May 31, 2010 8:56 am UTC

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Yeah, Rory's death/erasure was far too random to be permanent. I mean, wtf - the character had just started to actually go somewhere. Also it would be a cheap cop-out pandering to all the Amy/11 shippers.

Off the top of my head:
- So the scientist turned out to be a Good Guy, and suddenly nobody mentions him dissecting that bloke without an anastetic anymore.
- I'd always thought Ambrose is a male name.
- general WTFness, most of it addressed by previous posters already.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Whelan » Mon May 31, 2010 1:50 pm UTC

sanguine wrote:
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Yeah, Rory's death/erasure was far too random to be permanent. I mean, wtf - the character had just started to actually go somewhere. Also it would be a cheap cop-out pandering to all the Amy/11 shippers.

Off the top of my head:
- So the scientist turned out to be a Good Guy, and suddenly nobody mentions him dissecting that bloke without an anastetic anymore.
- I'd always thought Ambrose is a male name.
- general WTFness, most of it addressed by previous posters already.

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To be fair the vivisection didn't actually kill the subjects, or as far as we can see do any permanent damage. But yeah a bit of a dick move, although nothing that human scientists haven't probably done.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby bigglesworth » Mon May 31, 2010 2:17 pm UTC

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Well I can't remember whether it was stated if it was painful or not, so it wasn't necessarily without anaesthetic. Just not with a general anaesthetic.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Whelan » Mon May 31, 2010 2:26 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:
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Well I can't remember whether it was stated if it was painful or not, so it wasn't necessarily without anaesthetic. Just not with a general anaesthetic.

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From the way they were screaming...Although that may well have been "OH shit what's he doing" rather than pain.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby GraphiteGirl » Mon May 31, 2010 2:57 pm UTC

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Though I do think that what's-her-name the torturer ought to have been given to the Silurians. I mean, for God's sake, that's not just not the best of humanity, it was pretty damn bad. She tortured a hostage for information that didn't necessarily exist, did it amateurishly, and then tried to cover up the fact that her hostage died under the torture! WTF, anti-heroine?

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We spent most of the episode trashtalking her. When the Doctor sent her off to her son with the instructions to teach him how she failed, we came to the conclusion that she'd probably fail at that, too. Who lets their son go running around during an invasion? Bloody Welsh. And poor Rory.

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The kid has quite the difficult life ahead of him. He knows his mother's a murderer, partially responsible for him never seeing his grandfather again, and almost wholly responsible for delaying interspecies cooperation by a millenium. His respect for her as a parent and arbiter or morality and fairness is going to be seriously impeded after that. Plus, he looked so serious about the idea of spreading knowledge of the Silurians - won't it be fun, spending years as a child telling people about imaginary people under the earth being real?
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby bigglesworth » Mon May 31, 2010 4:04 pm UTC

I read something once about for every problem the Doctor fixes, he leaves something else behind broken. Food for thought.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Giant Speck » Mon May 31, 2010 4:46 pm UTC

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So this is where the Reptilian conspiracy theories originated!
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby charliepanayi » Mon May 31, 2010 6:49 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:I read something once about for every problem the Doctor fixes, he leaves something else behind broken. Food for thought.


So he's kind of like Robocop?
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby LE4dGOLEM » Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:11 am UTC

GraphiteGirl wrote:
Daojia wrote:
aleflamedyud wrote:
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Though I do think that what's-her-name the torturer ought to have been given to the Silurians. I mean, for God's sake, that's not just not the best of humanity, it was pretty damn bad. She tortured a hostage for information that didn't necessarily exist, did it amateurishly, and then tried to cover up the fact that her hostage died under the torture! WTF, anti-heroine?

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We spent most of the episode trashtalking her. When the Doctor sent her off to her son with the instructions to teach him how she failed, we came to the conclusion that she'd probably fail at that, too. Who lets their son go running around during an invasion? Bloody Welsh. And poor Rory.

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The kid has quite the difficult life ahead of him. He knows his mother's a murderer, partially responsible for him never seeing his grandfather again, and almost wholly responsible for delaying interspecies cooperation by a millenium. His respect for her as a parent and arbiter or morality and fairness is going to be seriously impeded after that. Plus, he looked so serious about the idea of spreading knowledge of the Silurians - won't it be fun, spending years as a child telling people about imaginary people under the earth being real?
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Since he was frozen in the thing, is it possible that the reason he's given the task of prophesying about the silurians is because his rate of aging is still one millionth normal speed?
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby aleflamedyud » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:18 am UTC

Rory's getting pegged with the timey-wimey ball was total Jossage.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Daojia » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:00 am UTC

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aleflamedyud wrote:Rory's getting pegged with the timey-wimey ball was total Jossage.

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Naw. Jossage usually involves the significant others dying permanently. Moffatt is too much of a bleeding heart to let that happen; my money says the eventual closing of the crack will do immensely reset-esque things to the characters' respective timelines.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby bigglesworth » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:24 am UTC

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I disagree that Rory's return will be via a "reset" of any sort. There were TARDIS fragments in the world he was sucked into, so it's not the oblivion one. It's been said before that some lead places, some led nowhere. I think it's much more likely that the Doctor and Amy will visit the site of the explosion in person, and something will happen with Rory there.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby You, sir, name? » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:21 pm UTC

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Re: Doctor Who

Postby michaelandjimi » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:24 pm UTC

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Yeah, in the latest episode I honestly thought that the Silurian they took hostage was just faking death. The tasing didn't look deadly at all! Aside from that, didn't mind it.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Magnanimous » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:08 am UTC

michaelandjimi wrote:
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Yeah, in the latest episode I honestly thought that the Silurian they took hostage was just faking death. The tasing didn't look deadly at all! Aside from that, didn't mind it.
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Tasers might be more deadly against Silurians, though, if they're reptilian. (Or maybe they can commit suicide by releasing toxins into their system, or something?)

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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:05 am UTC

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Tasers have killed people in police custody. There's a reason Amnesty International considers them Not Cool.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby EdgarJPublius » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:28 am UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:
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Tasers have killed people in police custody. There's a reason Amnesty International considers them Not Cool.


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Generally, these people have pre-existing heart conditions or are otherwise seriously unfit though. Somehow, I doubt a Lizard bred to be a warrior is going to have a weak heart.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:51 am UTC

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Right, I'm just saying. She was tased more than necessary and is working on a pretty different biology. For Doctor Who, that's extremely believable.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby frostkiki » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:18 am UTC

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the tardis exists in another dimension on the inside, so if the outside exploded wouldn't that release the inner dimension or at least damage the outer one (ours) to the point of causing bleed throughs to the inner tardis dimension? also, Rory probably was forgotten because his philotic connections were severed, on the same line through the cracks is probably the no "where" philote dimension.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby ArgonV » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:36 am UTC

Philotic? :?:

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Postby beyondweird » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:54 am UTC

ArgonV wrote:Philotic? :?:


The only thing I can think of is the Ender's Game series (Children of the Mind and all that...)
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:16 pm UTC

Yeah, I think that's what he meant. It's, uh, not a concept that has appeared in Doctor Who to my knowledge.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby ArgonV » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:38 pm UTC

Could you describe the concept?

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Re: Doctor Who

Postby SlyReaper » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:39 pm UTC

It's like "psychotic" except instead of being mad, your name is Phil.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby t-note » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:49 pm UTC

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Personally I think amy/emily is acting more like the doctor than the new doctor. so far it seems like she is saving him, and not the other way around. They really are playing that up way too much, as well as her hinted-at unrequited love with the doctor. Example; the star whale episode. Seriously- he could only think of 2 choices? Where's that signature doctor-thinks-outside-the-box stuff? and why the kissing thing so early in the flipping season? At least with rose they built up to it. which, speaking of the rose/doctor thing, I still feel kind of gypped how they ended that. It was totally not cool with me.

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Re: Doctor Who

Postby TaintedDeity » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:00 pm UTC

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She kissed him out of lust, not love. She was riding around in a magic box with a man she's been fantasising about since she was a little girl. I don't see a problem in the narrative.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby no-genius » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:41 pm UTC

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it was more like 'yay! I didn't die! let's have sex!'. And also very, very funny.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Persephonethinx » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:03 pm UTC

The Doctor has always been saved by his companions on occasion, even in the original series. What would be the point of having companions if the Doctor always came up with the clever solution and saved the day? Also the most respected and well-liked companions are the ones who didn't just get captured and scream all the time. Compare Sarah Jane and Ace to Peri and Mel.

The way I see it, the Doctor solves the complicated wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey problems while the companion uses the emotional angle to see solutions that he may miss.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby nickiyoung » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:22 pm UTC

I don't know how the rest of you feel, but this latest Dr Who doesn't have as much guts in him. What I mean is when we had CE and DT, there was at least some bite to the character. I find myself watching these latest episodes and my mind wanders, rather than actually getting into it. Whether or not it's the writing or the acting...

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Re: Doctor Who

Postby TaintedDeity » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:55 pm UTC

The new doctor feels more whimsical, more calm and sedate. Like an explorer, curious about what he'll find.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby bigglesworth » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:04 pm UTC

It's because he's getting over the effects of the things he did to end the time war. 8th was almost broken by it, and (in a nice piece of fanon I read) hadn't even had the guts to look himself in the mirror before the first episode.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby MysteryBall » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:30 pm UTC

nickiyoung wrote:I don't know how the rest of you feel, but this latest Dr Who doesn't have as much guts in him. What I mean is when we had CE and DT, there was at least some bite to the character. I find myself watching these latest episodes and my mind wanders, rather than actually getting into it. Whether or not it's the writing or the acting...


You'd not have much gut and be a bit frail if you'd just sent your entire species to die too.

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Re: Doctor Who

Postby sugarhyped » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:45 pm UTC

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nickiyoung wrote:I don't know how the rest of you feel, but this latest Dr Who doesn't have as much guts in him. What I mean is when we had CE and DT, there was at least some bite to the character. I find myself watching these latest episodes and my mind wanders, rather than actually getting into it. Whether or not it's the writing or the acting...


You'd not have much gut and be a bit frail if you'd just sent your entire species to die too.


He didn't say 9 or 10 had that problem but 11.
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About the newest episode with Van Gogh. Do all Brits pronounce his name Goth?
I thought it was good except all the Vincent praise got a bit annoying.
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The Doctor putting away the screwdriver was awesome.
I'm happy Rory wasn't just forgotten by the Doctor, there was some reference to him.
The episode had a weird vibe to it though... It was more about Van Gogh than the monster. I didn't mind that the monster was invisible though. (A pre-response to people complaining about budget cuts.)
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby TaintedDeity » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:58 pm UTC

I really liked this episode, Van Gogh's character had some groovy development.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:00 pm UTC

I greatly prefer Matt Smith to Tennant and Eccleston. They didn't really feel like the older doctors, especially not Tennant. But Smith feels a great deal like the more eccentric original doctors, say Tom Baker and Sylvester McCoy.


Also, on supposed budget cuts and so on: To paraphrase the Douglas Adams, anyone can design a visible monster, but an invisible monster takes imagination.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Whelan » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:02 pm UTC

Has anyone else tried the game they plugged at the end? I tried it but this laptop isn't really up to scratch.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby sugarhyped » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:10 pm UTC

Whelan wrote:Has anyone else tried the game they plugged at the end? I tried it but this laptop isn't really up to scratch.

I'm in the states and on a mac so I doubt I'll get to play it. :(

So far Matt Smith has been my favorite Doctor as well but I am not sure how much Amy is influencing my preference. They split up a bit and he is pretty good.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Persephonethinx » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:20 pm UTC

I have to say I rather liked Vincent and the Doctor.
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The monster was forgettable, but it wasn't the focus of the episode. As for Van Gogh, I liked how it focused on his emotional and psychological problems, but didn't dwell on them, so it stayed poignant. The Taking Van Gogh to the Museum scene was a bit much with that godawful song in the background, but not too bad. I still smiled.

A nice break from the fast, 20 minutes to save the world episodes that have made up most of the season.
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Re: Doctor Who

Postby Giant Speck » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:27 pm UTC

Wow.

I almost cried at the end of this one.
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