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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Lucrece » Sun May 11, 2014 8:40 am UTC

The only time Tyrion has killed it's out of passion. He's not a guy with a particular skillset for having murders carried out. Being clever doesn't necessarily make you good at assassinating people. Practice makes perfect, and Tyrion hasn't had a lot of practice.

Really, the comeuppance Tywin receives is that in his obsession with supremacy, his actual legacy (his children) all came out to be absolutely mediocre. I mean, Jaime used to excel as a knight but never had an interest in marrying given the object of his affection.
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Postby Adam H » Mon May 12, 2014 1:55 pm UTC

Latest episode:
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That was compelling television! However, the end was just a little anti-climactic IMO. I mean, we've already seen this before. Yeah yeah Bronn kills Meryn Trant or whoever and Tyrion goes free, just like last time.
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Postby Lucrece » Mon May 12, 2014 2:09 pm UTC

That Yara scene was the dumbest scene ever put on this show. What a terrible addition.

Go in dispatch the Bolton men with ease, then struggle with Theon instead of punching him out and dragging him out silently. And then Ramsay walks into the cages just fine, and the Ironborn allow him to calmly unlock the dog cages.

I mean, what a wasteful scene. And I love the Yara additions in this show (don't mind the name change), but this one scene was a complete dud in an otherwise great episode.
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Postby pseudoidiot » Mon May 12, 2014 2:23 pm UTC

I agree that section was rather poorly done.

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And Ramsay just walking around with no armor and taking armored dudes out? That really took me out of the show for a bit. I don't care how psychotic & bad-ass with knives you are an armored opponent barely even has to try to get a hit on you that'll put you down.

The only good thing was the actor that plays Theon/Reek is selling his part really well and the follow-up scene where Ramsay comes up with the mission for him to go on was well done.
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Postby Adam H » Mon May 12, 2014 3:52 pm UTC

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pseudoidiot wrote:And Ramsay just walking around with no armor and taking armored dudes out? That really took me out of the show for a bit. I don't care how psychotic & bad-ass with knives you are an armored opponent barely even has to try to get a hit on you that'll put you down.
Yuuuuup. That Asha's axes in the books are specifically throwing axes didn't help my suspension of disbelief, either.

And then Ramsay lets her go, which implies that he is OK with Yara telling everyone that Theon is a shell of his former self (or dead). That makes sense until he reveals his plan to have Theon publicly be Theon. Meh.

Lastly, DOGS? The fuck do you care if a couple mangy dogs try to bite your heavily armored legs? Axe them! The ironborn in the show are pretty pathetic fighters.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby eSOANEM » Mon May 12, 2014 4:35 pm UTC

Don't count your hens:

(not seen the episode yet, I'll make sure not to say anything not mentioned before last week or generic lore):

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Tyrion only chose Bronn as his champion once he had no choice but to choose someone already in the Eyrie; Bronn was the only person available to him. There's no reason to think Tyrion couldn't think of a better fighter in the city who might also be sympathetic.

Also, Tywin's no fool, he will ensure that whoever represents the crown is a better fighter than Tyrion's champion. If Tyrion manages to get the best fighter in the city to represent him, Tywin would ensure that that champion never made it to trial (either by convincing them to leave the city or by having them meet with an accident).

Not that Tywin actually cares whether Tyrion did it or not, he just cares about the fact that justice needs to be seen to be done and that Tyrion is an easy scapegoat.
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Postby Adam H » Mon May 12, 2014 6:26 pm UTC

Book and episode 6 spoilers:
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eSOANEM wrote:Tyrion only chose Bronn as his champion once he had no choice but to choose someone already in the Eyrie; Bronn was the only person available to him. There's no reason to think Tyrion couldn't think of a better fighter in the city who might also be sympathetic.
I'm guessing this is a response to my other post in which I said that it's obvious what is going to happen. The fact that it might not happen that way (and actually I've read the books so I know it doesn't) is besides the point. It's just that the ending of last episode ("I demand trial by combat!") was not dramatic or plot-twisty, rather it's yet another trial by combat to determine if Tyrion dies. *yawn*

It's like if the Night's Watch discovered there was another group of deserters holed up in Braster's Deep and they had to go kill them before Mance questioned them. Sure, the excursion could end differently than the thing with Craster's Keep, but that doesn't mean it's some dramatic plot twist that is worth ending the episode on.

I would have thought it'd be cooler and more exciting to extend the episode by having Cersei exclaim "The crown calls the Mountain as it's champion!", cut to a terrified Tyrion, cut to Bronn* walking out shaking his head, then end on a nice cunning Oberyn smirk. I guess the problem with that is that they'd have to set up in the same episode who the Mountain is and why Oberyn wants him dead.

*where was Bronn during the trial, anyways? I don't remember them mentioning it (hmmm maybe because it would remind everyone that this isn't the first trial by combat demanded by Tyrion).
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Postby Zohar » Mon May 12, 2014 8:07 pm UTC

Ep 6 spoilers:
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Gah, that raid was stupid.

Anyway, my guess is Tyrion chooses Jaime as his champion. If Tywin wins, then both his sons die this way, along with his name.
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Postby Ixtellor » Mon May 12, 2014 8:40 pm UTC

My thoughts on episode 6
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1) The raid was dumb - i was also thinking "he is shirtless and those guys have armor..."
But once the fight commenced, I basically just thought "Ok, so he is supposed to be a total badass and fighting without armor and winning just illustrates that point"
The dogs thing... that was dumb.

2) My prediction for the trial is that he can't pick a champion but somehow has to end up fighting Jaime. Which will create an interesting dilemma... maybe Jaime lets him win? Just my random prediction without reading the book --- I think it would be very cheesy if he is allowed to pick a champion, picks the same guy as before, and he wins like before...
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Postby Jave D » Mon May 12, 2014 10:36 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Ep 6 spoilers:
Spoiler:
Gah, that raid was stupid.

Anyway, my guess is Tyrion chooses Jaime as his champion. If Tywin wins, then both his sons die this way, along with his name.


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But would Jaime accept being his champion? He's one-handed now, and probably pretty bad. I think Tyrion would probably prefer Bronn. Maybe Tyrion chooses Bronn, and Cersei chooses Jaime? Then it's like Bronn and Jaime practice fighting except for reals now, and no matter who wins the audience loses since both are favorite characters.

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Postby LLCoolDave » Mon May 12, 2014 11:20 pm UTC

Jave D wrote:
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Maybe Tyrion chooses Bronn, and Cersei chooses Jaime?


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I don't see a reason why Cersei would want to pick Jaime, considering the way their relationship has played out since his return to King's Landing. Not to mention that he's quite probably not that great of a combatant anymore.

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Postby gmalivuk » Mon May 12, 2014 11:24 pm UTC

In the first season, Tyrion chooses Bronn only because the combat was to happen immediately. His intended first choice was Jaime.

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Postby eSOANEM » Mon May 12, 2014 11:51 pm UTC

Adam H wrote:Book and episode 6 spoilers:
Spoiler:
eSOANEM wrote:Tyrion only chose Bronn as his champion once he had no choice but to choose someone already in the Eyrie; Bronn was the only person available to him. There's no reason to think Tyrion couldn't think of a better fighter in the city who might also be sympathetic.
I'm guessing this is a response to my other post in which I said that it's obvious what is going to happen. The fact that it might not happen that way (and actually I've read the books so I know it doesn't) is besides the point. It's just that the ending of last episode ("I demand trial by combat!") was not dramatic or plot-twisty, rather it's yet another trial by combat to determine if Tyrion dies. *yawn*

It's like if the Night's Watch discovered there was another group of deserters holed up in Braster's Deep and they had to go kill them before Mance questioned them. Sure, the excursion could end differently than the thing with Craster's Keep, but that doesn't mean it's some dramatic plot twist that is worth ending the episode on.

I would have thought it'd be cooler and more exciting to extend the episode by having Cersei exclaim "The crown calls the Mountain as it's champion!", cut to a terrified Tyrion, cut to Bronn* walking out shaking his head, then end on a nice cunning Oberyn smirk. I guess the problem with that is that they'd have to set up in the same episode who the Mountain is and why Oberyn wants him dead.

*where was Bronn during the trial, anyways? I don't remember them mentioning it (hmmm maybe because it would remind everyone that this isn't the first trial by combat demanded by Tyrion).


I think you're being a little unfair.

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The circumstances of both trials are completely different. In one he faces certain execution and a trial by combat is his only chance, in the other he has a guaranteed way out (and, to be honest, Tyrion would do quite well at the wall) and chooses it basically to piss Tywin off and throw a spanner in the works.

Also, if you remember, Bronn's under investigation himself and is probably being actively kept from the trial.


Zohar wrote:Ep 6 spoilers:
Spoiler:
Gah, that raid was stupid.

Anyway, my guess is Tyrion chooses Jaime as his champion. If Tywin wins, then both his sons die this way, along with his name.


Spoiler:
Tyrion knows that Jaime's a shit fighter now. Now, it's possible he'd do this just to piss Tywin off, but if he does that he also gets his brother killed and Tyrion doesn't want Jaime did.


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Jave D wrote:
Spoiler:
Maybe Tyrion chooses Bronn, and Cersei chooses Jaime?


Spoiler:
I don't see a reason why Cersei would want to pick Jaime, considering the way their relationship has played out since his return to King's Landing. Not to mention that he's quite probably not that great of a combatant anymore.


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Tyrion and Bronn are the only ones who know how bad Jaime is, Cersei has no idea (partly because Jaime wants her to think of him as still being a badass.
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Postby Lucrece » Tue May 13, 2014 6:49 am UTC

Tyrion wouldn't have sabotaged his confession/resignation to the charges if they hadn't brought out Shae to humiliate him further. It wasn't so much that he wanted to piss off his father, rather the miserable way he saw them kicking someone when they are down.

If you recall to Tyrion's history, this is not the first whore that Tyrion loved and whose relationship Tywin viciously desecrated. This was a person who he felt that returned his love, and that testimony was a complete mockery of his feelings, publicly declaring that someone like him is a fool for thinking anyone could love him, and that he's nothing but some predatory sexual fiend with inner ugliness matching his outside appearance.
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Postby Zohar » Tue May 13, 2014 8:34 am UTC

eSOANEM wrote:
Zohar wrote:Ep 6 spoilers:
Spoiler:
Gah, that raid was stupid.

Anyway, my guess is Tyrion chooses Jaime as his champion. If Tywin wins, then both his sons die this way, along with his name.


Spoiler:
Tyrion knows that Jaime's a shit fighter now. Now, it's possible he'd do this just to piss Tywin off, but if he does that he also gets his brother killed and Tyrion doesn't want Jaime did.

Spoiler:
I bet Tywin knows how bad Jaime is right now. And in any case won't want to risk Jaime's life with a good fighter. So if Tyrion chooses Jaime, Tywin would choose someone even shittier, so that Jaime doesn't die.
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Postby eSOANEM » Tue May 13, 2014 11:26 am UTC

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Actually, I think Tywin would probably just make sure Jaime didn't accept becoming Tyrion's champion.
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Postby Dark567 » Tue May 13, 2014 7:15 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
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I bet Tywin knows how bad Jaime is right now. And in any case won't want to risk Jaime's life with a good fighter. So if Tyrion chooses Jaime, Tywin would choose someone even shittier, so that Jaime doesn't die.

I mean, that would be a pretty good strategy for Tyrion, wouldn't it?
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Postby freezeblade » Tue May 13, 2014 7:31 pm UTC

kinda spoilers?
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Hm...who else could jump up as a champion... :wink:

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Postby LaserGuy » Wed May 14, 2014 3:19 am UTC

Lucrece wrote:That Yara scene was the dumbest scene ever put on this show. What a terrible addition.

Go in dispatch the Bolton men with ease, then struggle with Theon instead of punching him out and dragging him out silently. And then Ramsay walks into the cages just fine, and the Ironborn allow him to calmly unlock the dog cages.

I mean, what a wasteful scene. And I love the Yara additions in this show (don't mind the name change), but this one scene was a complete dud in an otherwise great episode.


If Yara really thought that Theon was irretrievably lost, you think she wouldn't just kill him and be done with it? After her big speech about how harming Theon is harming the Ironborn, she's just going to leave him with Ramsay? It seems hard to believe that after all the effort and risk she took in this rescue attempt, and considering that she actually found him, she wouldn't either knock him out and take him with her as you say, or just figure he's too badly damaged to save and put him out of his misery. The only thing that wouldn't make sense for her to do is just give up and go home.

Yeah, terrible scene. Rest of the episode more than made up for it though.

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Postby maybeagnostic » Wed May 14, 2014 11:55 am UTC

The Yara scene is shockingly bad. I understand what they were going for story-wise but the logistical execution of the whole thing was terrible.
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They broke into the Castle without being spotted and... went to Reek? Why not kill Ramsay and/or Roose? Now THAT shows people not to mess with the Ironborn AND frees her brother just as certainly.


Some speculation on the show events up to this point, possibly slightly informed by book knowledge.
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So no one else seems to have assumed this but... we only thought Shae was gone because Bronn told Tyrion that he personally saw her sail off on a ship. Now it is possible that she either came back on her own or was somehow captured by Cersei's (non-existent?) agents but it seems pretty obvious to me that Bronn was bought by Tywin some time ago and simply handed her off to... well, my theory falls apart at this point. Maybe Tywin wanted to keep her around as general leverage against Tyrion?

As for choosing a champion, a lot of people seem to be thinking Jaime but, even barring the hand, he seems an unlikely choice. In other circumstances he would certainly champion Tyrion, Cersei and Tywin but in this case he doesn't want Tyrion to die but also doesn't want to publicly oppose his father.
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Postby Killerofsheep » Wed May 14, 2014 12:33 pm UTC

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It seems everyone is assuming that Tyrion is going to choose a champion; wasn't the speech, before he made the request for combat trial, about him not being disadvantaged because he's a dwarf? If you ask me, that's where I think it's going, Tyrion fighting his own battle.

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Postby gmalivuk » Wed May 14, 2014 12:43 pm UTC

But that would be stupid.

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He is a dwarf and knows he's a dwarf and could be bested in one-on-one combat by just about any fighter you'd care to name. He wants to spite his father, and I don't see how being killed almost immediately in a duel would accomplish that.
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Postby Adam H » Wed May 14, 2014 1:22 pm UTC

Show only:
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Tyrion has held his own in more than one fight, no?

The show has already shown it's willing to let stupidly unlikely stuff happen, like Shirtless Ramsay surviving against a horde of Ironborn. And there's this: knights don't have experience fighting dwarves. Maybe heavy armor and tiny vision slits will make it difficult to hit such a small target? All Tyrion has to do is get lucky and manage to hit a weak spot in the greaves.

And if the concern is that Tyrion would have to be stupid to champion himself, I don't think he cares about being smart. He's broken. While he still has survival instincts I don't think he especially cares about making rational decisions that maximize his likelihood of survival. And anyways, with the possibility of Bronn's betrayal, there may not be anyone willing to fight for him.
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Postby Lucrece » Wed May 14, 2014 1:45 pm UTC

Being a dwarf doesn't mean you're just a mini-person. It is an actual physical disability associated often with its own set of physiological problems.

A dwarf in a duel would be terrible because size advantage is significant in the outcome of a physical encounter. No amount of martial outmaneuvering could possibly allow Tyrion to overcome someone like The Hound or The Mountain or Brienne of Tarth.

More importantly, armor and weapons were not fashioned efficiently for dwarves, and I don't expect them to have a blacksmith outfit Tyrion when they're rigging his trial to begin with. Whatever weapons and armor Tyrion could have, he could not apply anywhere close to the same physical force to damage a normal stature knight (let alone above average, which is what most champions are), and he could not withstand a blow from anyone with the size and build difference at all. A single kick from someone like Brienne would likely send him sprawling.

Tyrion representing himself in a fight would be without shadow of a doubt suicide. And he's no fool. The great thing about intelligent people like Tyrion and Varys and Littlefinger, unlike Daenerys, is that they know their limitations and play to their strengths while marginalizing those limitations in any way they can. That's in fact why the Starks die and why Cersei and Tywin are such failures (Tywin worried more about building his legacy rather than properly tending to the foundations that will maintain that legacy; what's the good of accomplishing all this influence and martial victory if you can't hold on to it because you are such a shitty father that you produced a set of highly dysfunctional children incapable of sustaining what you built)/
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Postby gmalivuk » Wed May 14, 2014 2:02 pm UTC

As I recall, there is high-quality Tyrion armor around somewhere, because it was important in the first season that he didn't have it with him and had to be fitted with low-quality stuff.
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Postby Dark567 » Wed May 14, 2014 2:31 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:As I recall, there is high-quality Tyrion armor around somewhere, because it was important in the first season that he didn't have it with him and had to be fitted with low-quality stuff.
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Postby Lazar » Wed May 14, 2014 3:48 pm UTC

That's it.
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Postby SlyReaper » Wed May 14, 2014 4:51 pm UTC

Fucking Ramsey Snow.

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It has been said, but I want to say it again. That scene was ridiculous. Shirtless Ramsey charging at a gang of well armed Ironborn. If the point of that scene was to make Ramsey look like a badass, it failed. It made the Ironborn look weak and incompetent. Especially after that stirring speech about "they desecrated our prince". Oh yeah, let's storm a castle full of heavily armed and well trained soldiers... OH SHIT DOGS! RUN AWAY. So fucking stupid. Is that in the books? Is it explained that the Ironborn have some taboo about killing dogs?

Also somewhat annoyed by that scene where Dany gets guilt tripped about crucifying a bunch of nobles. I mean, she was so sure of herself when she sentenced them to die prolonged and grisly deaths, but she feels guilty the moment one person calls her out on it? If the point of that scene was to make her look like a naive little bitch, then it succeeded.
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Postby Dark567 » Wed May 14, 2014 6:03 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Fucking Ramsey Snow.

Spoiler:
It has been said, but I want to say it again. That scene was ridiculous. Shirtless Ramsey charging at a gang of well armed Ironborn. If the point of that scene was to make Ramsey look like a badass, it failed. It made the Ironborn look weak and incompetent. Especially after that stirring speech about "they desecrated our prince". Oh yeah, let's storm a castle full of heavily armed and well trained soldiers... OH SHIT DOGS! RUN AWAY. So fucking stupid. Is that in the books? Is it explained that the Ironborn have some taboo about killing dogs?

Also somewhat annoyed by that scene where Dany gets guilt tripped about crucifying a bunch of nobles. I mean, she was so sure of herself when she sentenced them to die prolonged and grisly deaths, but she feels guilty the moment one person calls her out on it? If the point of that scene was to make her look like a naive little bitch, then it succeeded.
Spoiler:
So the first scene wasn't in the books. There was something like it but it was done very differently and didn't make the Ironborn look incompetent and didn't have the dogs or Ramsey even in it(it was his troops I think).

For the Dany scene. Yeah, its there to make Dany really naive.
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Postby Jave D » Wed May 14, 2014 7:11 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Fucking Ramsey Snow.

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It has been said, but I want to say it again. That scene was ridiculous. Shirtless Ramsey charging at a gang of well armed Ironborn. If the point of that scene was to make Ramsey look like a badass, it failed. It made the Ironborn look weak and incompetent. Especially after that stirring speech about "they desecrated our prince". Oh yeah, let's storm a castle full of heavily armed and well trained soldiers... OH SHIT DOGS! RUN AWAY. So fucking stupid. Is that in the books? Is it explained that the Ironborn have some taboo about killing dogs?

Also somewhat annoyed by that scene where Dany gets guilt tripped about crucifying a bunch of nobles. I mean, she was so sure of herself when she sentenced them to die prolonged and grisly deaths, but she feels guilty the moment one person calls her out on it? If the point of that scene was to make her look like a naive little bitch, then it succeeded.


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Yeah, Rambo Ramsey was ridiculous. It's like the character was self-aware that he had been given Plot Armor and that therefore he couldn't lose. He could bathe in the blood of the Ironborn, attack them with his erect nipples and mangy dogs and totally win, and his lunatic grin seemed to suggest this. Totally unrealistic. He could have, should have, been killed more or less immediately -- and maybe Theon, not wanting to go, would just run away from Yara. That would have worked, but I guess someone decided we needed More Ramsay so nevermind.

I think the point of Dany's scene was to let her grow in wisdom and realize that even though brutally killing enemies feels right at the time, in reality there are consequences to that sort of thing that she hadn't foreseen. In this case, that some of those she kills are actual human beings (gasp) who have families who legitimately love them etc. Without this kind of little revelation then she's just some tyrant who kills people and isn't ever bothered by it, so I was fine with it.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Lucrece » Wed May 14, 2014 8:42 pm UTC

I don't think she felt guilty at all. Even after the explanation by the supplicant, she asserted that the crucifixions were just. I think she let the guy have the body more out of pity for him than for wanting to atone for executing a master.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby LaserGuy » Wed May 14, 2014 9:04 pm UTC

Yeah, I don't think there was any indication that Dany got the message. That's fine at this point, IMHO. What she doesn't learn now, she may learn later. What I do think that scene started to do is create some tension in Dany's world that isn't so black-and-white. Pretty much every obstacle that she's come across since Season 1 has been more or less of the moustache-twirling villain variety.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Carlington » Thu May 15, 2014 6:25 am UTC

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I didn't really see that scene as being Tyrion saying "I have had an idea for a tricky ploy to get out of here." To me it seemed much more like "I am just sick of all the bullshit, Tywin has wanted me dead since I was born, so fuck it, kill me properly or not at all." Of course, if Tywin had wanted to kill him, he'd have made it happen by now, so there's the chance that he's trying to force Tywin's hand, and hoping that he'll decide that a living son is better than a dead dwarf.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Woopate » Sun May 18, 2014 9:15 am UTC

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Ramsay Rambo scene was awful. The more I think about it the less I like it. Yara was willing to go after her brother in the Dreadfort (current capital of the North) after he proved himself a nitwit, gave TWO rousing speeches about how nothing on the face of the earth would keep her from her nitwit brother, and immediately proceeded to give up when her brother acted like a nitwit and there were some dogs. It's like a scene from Monty Python.

That's not even talking about the shirtless guy going in against armored and armed soldiers. That pulled me out of the show faster than if Deadpool popped in and drew smilies in crayon on Theon's face. This show has demonstrated time and again that it's all about about the reality of things. Bronn beats the armored knight by tiring him out, Arya's swordmaster gets bested by a mediocre swordsman in full plate because all he has is a stick, Loras uses a different horse when he knows the Mountain's is in heat to exploit an advantage. A consistent thing throughout the series is that an advantage is an advantage regardless of who has it. Then Ramsay goes in against armed Ironborn, famous for throwing axes, with daggers and no shirt, and trumps them into running like cowards.

I think the scene only exists to set up the whole "Reek's reward" scene, which I need to give kudos to Theon's actor for. He did awesome in this scene. But the Ironborn failed rescue demolishes a LOT to set up something so small.



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I like how they are giving Oberyn enough screentime that people will understand what happens next, but keeping him low key enough that it'll still come as a big surprise. Also loving the speculation people are throwing out here.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby eSOANEM » Sun May 18, 2014 11:02 am UTC

I'm not so sure about Syrio :P

Also, interesting fact I learnt recently, apparently when they cast Theon they had the actors read lines from this season/provisionally so because they knew these would be the harder ones to act.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Adacore » Sun May 18, 2014 11:57 am UTC

Woopate wrote:
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Then Ramsay goes in against armed Ironborn, famous for throwing axes, with daggers and no shirt, and trumps them into running like cowards.

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Yeah, that scene was probably the worst so far in the show for pulling me out of the setting. In addition to all the points made already, it also totally doesn't fit what I saw as Ramsay's personality. He's smart and conniving, and there's no way he'd risk his life in a fight if there were guards (or dogs) to hand who could do the fighting for him. Ramsay loves violence, but has no desire to take part in high-risk combat personally - he'd much prefer to stand back and watch other people killing each other.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Lucrece » Mon May 19, 2014 3:08 am UTC

The actress for Lyssa Tully does such a good job of being both demented and creepy.


Ugh, still hate the replacement for Dario. He's so hideous and mangy and falls so short of the smarmy charms and good looks of Ed Skrein.

Too bad Ed Skrein left this series for the big money of The Transporter remakes. But I don't blame him considering poor HBO actors in good series like Big Love end up in awful tv shows like Once Upon A Time, so he might as well milk it for whatever he can in case no doors open for him with awful but highly profitable action genre movies.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby eSOANEM » Wed May 21, 2014 10:43 am UTC

I'm surprised there haven't been any posts about this week's episode, particularly after all the people saying it was obvious how things would play out with Tyrion.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby LLCoolDave » Wed May 21, 2014 11:17 am UTC

I'm sure people are just still busy applauding the final scene of the episode.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby SlyReaper » Wed May 21, 2014 12:11 pm UTC

It wasn't exactly a shocker though.

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I'm more surprised Littlefinger didn't murder her the moment they were married. Will be interesting to see what happens to The Most Infuriatingly Passive Redhead In The World now. Will she team up with Littlefinger or try to run away? My guess is either way, she leaves the Eyre, because Brienne is on her way and the writers probably have to contrive some way for them to miss each other, a la Jon and Bran. What I didn't see coming was Oberon volunteering to be Tyrion's champion. It was only about halfway through that conversation that I remembered "oh yeah, he has a grudge against The Mountain doesn't he".
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