Izawwlgood wrote:I also still find this dismissal of violence because we don't have a 'violent' culture to be a poor argument. Additionally, for example, I personally think I was religiously indoctrinated, and find all the sequences with the Sparrows to be very upsetting for a few reasons.
Agree'd on this point, although I personally have grown accustomed to it. My years of watching Anime has more or less readied me for these sorts of things. (Light Yagami / Misa being explicitly Catholic in "Death Note"). In the great scheme of things, I'm actually finding the HBO representation of religious violence to be rather tame.
Game of Thrones seems to have this whole multiple religions thing going on. It seems like "The New Seven" are representative of a false Religion, which is being associated with Middle-Age religious politics (The Holy Roman Empire and what-not). "The Old Seven" seem to be the forgotten "true" religion (with the god-trees, true prophesies and what-have-you). The source of true power, true gods and the like.
Its an interesting take on Religion for sure IMO. The Sparrows are upsetting only from a shallow perspective. When I look at the show as a whole, the themes of Religion are very well put together IMO.
With that said, I'm more or less in agreement with Izawwlgood. I fully understand the issues of rape and so forth, but lets be frank here: this is not the first rape of the series and it won't be the last. This is a show about horrible things being done to good people. Heck, if anything, the previous episodes have had more poetic justice in them than the rest of the series put together.
Season 3 / Season 4 spoilers about Shae
Shae ultimately was supposed to be a "weak woman", one who was dominated by Tywin Lannister. The show kinda implied that she was working for Tywin the entire time, but IIRC her character was supposed to be more of a "tragic downfall"... where she originally loved Tyrion but then was manipulated into a whore who worked for Tywin through a series of tragic circumstances.
Whether or not I can take it as a "character flaw" or whether I should take it as "tired old trope that I should criticize"... I'm kinda on the fence about. At the end of the day, sex was used to visually and figuratively demonstrate Tywin Lannister's victory over Shae. Something doesn't quite feel right to me about the character... and I frankly would rather discuss Shae's circumstances over Sansa's
Honestly, its small stuff going on with Sansa right now. Season 3 / Season 4 easily got things beat as far as this "rape as a storytelling technique" thing goes. IMO, we should discuss the ramifications of the show back then... which are a much worse example IMO. In particular: