Lucrece wrote:When they start showing male rape as illustration of unpleasant environments in most fiction on a frequent and explicit basis, we can talk about similarity of triggers.
So someone that has been raped by a woman can't possible understand what a woman feels after a rape?
You've been saying all along that *men* can't possible understand what the trauma of a trigger means to someone, to be frank, that is flat out bullshit sexism on your part, and I expected better on this forum. You've not been saying "these specific people don't understand", instead you have attacked the entire gender as someone that can't possible understand.
No, I don't think triggers are ever worth sacrificing.
Excuse me very much, but why are your pet-trigger more important than the billion other triggers present in pretty much any fiction?
Triggering is a after effect of suffering a trauma, where the trigger brings you back to the traumatic experience. It's not just
Rape - is a obvious trigger
Explosions - People with trauma's from their a military career often find these hugely triggering, and by triggering I mean "sits in a corner having panic attacks for the 12 hours and cries more or less constantly for the next 2 days".
Gunshots - See above.
Police - people that have suffered from police brutality are commonly reported to have post traumatic stress syndrome, including all the triggers that entail, seeing someone get arrested in a movie is quite likely to cause them to suffer from a panic attack
Out of control fire - people that have been heavily maimed and have been in a lot of paint and/or lost loved ones in a fire frequently go into panic attacks upon seeing, or thinking about, fire that isn't under very strict control
Prostitution - Quite a few prostitutes suffers from suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome when they get out of that environment, particularly if it wasn't a conscious choice they originally began working as one.
Incest - Even if they at the time believe it to be consensual, victims from incest often experience it as a major trauma later in life, that are fairly easily set off.
Car crashes - these can be a hugely traumatic experience, particularly if someone dies, either at someone dies. In the case of the driver running someone down, despite driving perfectly, the driver often suffers from flashbacks, panic attacks, low self-worth for long periods after being reminded of the event
I could go one, pretty much any serious trauma can cause post traumatic stress syndrome - and most people suffering from that have triggers quite similar to what a rape victim experience. What sets it off is different, but the reaction is very comparable.
And your pet-trigger is not more important than the rest of these, their experiences are real as well. Rape as a trigger might be a bit more common, both as reference, and as a trauma suffered, but it is not inherently more important than other people's deeply traumatic experience.
The list isn't done yet, but the point should be pretty clear, it's nearly impossible to create fiction without triggering someone. So a stance that it is never okay sacrificing to trigger someone is unrealistic unless you want to ban all fiction. And if you agree that it is okay to trigger someone to tell a story, exactly why is it okay to trigger someone that lost his family to a fire, ended up heavily maimed and in pain for a very long time, but not to trigger someone with a rape scene?