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WALL-E

Postby Alomax » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:44 am UTC

Went and saw WALL-E with a group of friends (one was having a birthday) at the midnight showing. As usual, Pixar did a smashing job, with layers of story. The inferred dialog was great.

The one thing I take away from this movie is an overwhelming empathy for a small machine. I don't think the emotional dialog could possibly have been as strong if the same story where told with human characters. For some reason placing a very human story in a totally inhuman framework amplified it immensely.

The group I was with is incapable of having a real conversation about how emotionally impacting the movie was to them, so I came here. :) It really made me sad, because personally I don't currently have a significant other. I suspect though, that if some of you go see it with your bf/gf you will enjoy this "kids movie" immensely.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Zero » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:50 pm UTC

It looks like some kind of conversion of the "HOTEL"'s plot (a manga by Boichi) but with some "interaction", i mean, in the manga the robot is always alone...

Really looking forward to it, I've high expectations to this one (I'm not a huge fan of Pixar movies), beautiful trailer, the characters are incredible .And by the way i lol'd at EVE's voice.

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Re: WALL-E

Postby asanisimasa » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:38 pm UTC

I've been looking forward to this ever since it was first announced. I'm not that big of a Pixar fan, but I do enjoy their movies, and I love robots/space/sci-fi, and WALL-E looks amazing. I'm seeing it with my girlfriend this weekend; I'm excited.
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Postby Neuman » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:28 pm UTC

I went to the midnight showing. It was AWESOME. In all caps and everything.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Vanguard » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:42 pm UTC

Those people at Pixar are not movie-makers, they're artists.

I enjoyed this movie thoroughly. It has a huge amount of character developement, not only for the robots, but the Captain as well. I love me some character developement.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Dr.Robert » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:06 am UTC

Stunning film, a piece of art. I've never seen so much emotion conveyed through so few words. A film that can be enjoyed by all age groups. It has some very mature underlying themes, as well.

It is literally one of the best introductions I've ever seen to a movie. Seriously. It was breathtaking, both visually and emotionally.

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Postby Aluminus » Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:27 am UTC

Considering this film has been on the table for more than a decade, I gotta say they did a smashing job.
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Postby Virtual_Aardvark » Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:45 am UTC

I just saw it and it was sheer awesomeness! I am so glad that Pixar waited, the animation was just gorgeous. I'm also pretty glad that Disney's pretty much stopped mucking about with the plot lines. Also Ratatouille was equally awesome.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby SpitValve » Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:52 pm UTC

Even without the humour and character and romance story, you're still left with a better sci fi plotline than half of the serious adult sci fi movies that have come out lately...

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Re: WALL-E

Postby PatrickRsGhost » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:12 pm UTC

I just got back from seeing this movie, and I noticed a few things.

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    The Auto-Pilot ("Otto")'s center looked just like HAL from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Also, the Captain getting up from his chair and walking on the bridge of the Axiom was set to the tune of "Also Sprach Zarathustra", from 2001.

    Was it me, or did EVE sound almost like GLaDOS from Portal? Sure, Elissa Knight did the voice, but still. The hesitation and resigned voice reminded me of that. Also, I think she looked like one of the sentinel robots, as did one or two others in the movie.

    Sigourney Weaver did the voice of the computer on the AXIOM, the colony ship.

    The humans riding around on "hovercliners" (don't know what they're officially called, but that's what I'll call them) and relying on robots to tend to their every need reminded me of an old comic in MAD Magazine, back when MAD was a satire of comic books (Bill Gaines, the founder of MAD, also published a lot of various comic books like "Tales From The Crypt") called "BLOBS!", where in the year 1,000,000 A.D. humans fly around on similar hovercliners, using only their brains to command the machines to do things for them, like feed them, dress them, bathe them, massage them, provide robotic sex droids, done up in the style of 1950s Hollywood actresses (the story was published in 1952), and other things. One of the Blobs is concerned that the main computer will break, and then what will become of them?

    I believe this is the first time they've incorporated real-life action with the 3D computer animation. I can't remember any other time they did it.


All in all it was a decent movie.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Rippy » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:26 am UTC

I saw this earlier today, and could not shake the little part of me that was yelling "Oh me yarm PORTAL!!!!".

It started with that animated short at the beginning with the magician's hat. IT WAS A PORTAL.

Then I saw Eve, with that shiny white gleam reminiscent of Aperture Science's cold white rooms. And then the robots talked and it sounded like GLaDOS.

But anyway, it was really good I thought.

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Re: WALL-E

Postby aaron » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:22 am UTC

i too thought of portal as i was watching the first animated bit. very clever.


also, agreed with most of the above - pixar studios creates absolute works of art. too many important messages conveyed in too few of words. i liked it a lot.

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Re: WALL-E

Postby Saturn » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:48 am UTC

Fantastic.

Adorable.

Hilarious.


Would watch again 10/10 A+.

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Postby PatrickRsGhost » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:21 am UTC

To make it really geektastic (as if the few slight references to Portal and "2001" weren't enough), they should have used Majel Barrett as the voice of the Axiom's computer.
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Postby John O))) » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:53 am UTC

"I don't want to survive, I want to live"

One of my favorite lines from a movie, ever.

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Re: WALL-E

Postby Jebobek » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:36 pm UTC

Amazing. I will see it again with whoever wants to go. Everything that I wanted to happen in that movie happened. And it still was not too much of a disney-ish ending.

Favorite theme:

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Waving. WALL-E was so happy to meet new things that he would shake hands and wave at everything and everyone. I loved how the one button-pressing robot waved back, then realized what waving was and liked it. Then by the time you see it again its waving vigorously at everything :P Also I loved the giant WALL-R robots that waved when they were flying away.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby protocoach » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:47 pm UTC

Definitely liked this movie a lot. I thought it got a little heavy-handed with the message near the end, even though I completely agreed with the point.

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First favorite part: where the captain is learning about Earth from the computer, while Wall-E and Eve are dancing in space, because the learning scene felt like every 3 AM night on Wikipedia, just automated, and the dancing was, in my opinion, the most beautiful scene in the movie. Second favorite part: PIZZA TREES!
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Re: WALL-E

Postby aaron » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:15 pm UTC

oh god, i totally forgot about the captain! i'm sure everyone can identify with his quest to learn more about the world (much like our own quests on wikipedia late at night, like protocoach said.) and the space-dance between wall-e and eve was so gorgeous to look at. also

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I don't want to survive, I want to live!


was such a poignant and great line.

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Re: WALL-E

Postby asanisimasa » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:55 pm UTC

protocoach wrote:Definitely liked this movie a lot. I thought it got a little heavy-handed with the message near the end, even though I completely agreed with the point.


Yeah, so did I. I think I would have liked to see it more focused on WALL-E and EVE and less on the humans and the environmental message. The first half of the film was my favorite. Earth, even though it was covered in garbage, was absolutely beautiful. And WALL-E and EVE's relationship was wonderful, I loved how great they were together even when they rarely spoke. More romance, less "stop polluting our Earth!" message. More robots, less humans (though the Captain was pretty awesome).

Anyway, I thought it was great. My favorite Pixar film.
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Postby EvanED » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:42 pm UTC

protocoach wrote:
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Second favorite part: PIZZA TREES!

If those existed, I would never leave the garden.

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Postby Alomax » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:53 am UTC

Reading more online, I discovered the that Apple-esque resemblance between Eve and Apple's minimalistic-white-plastic design is no coincidence. Pixar hired the same guy who designed the iPod to do the concept designs for Eve. :D I think it works really well. There are so many things you could try and extrapolate out of this movie if you wanted to, and if you don't, it's still thoroughly enjoyable.

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Postby Aluminus » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:59 am UTC

Did anybody notice that WALL-E's startup sound is the same as a Mac?
Auto's voice is also that of MacnTalk.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby aaron » Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:03 am UTC

yeah, everyone laughed at the fact his start-up sound was the mac's.


(edit - does this mean mac becomes part of the monopoly that rules the world? inconceivable!)

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Re: WALL-E

Postby SpitValve » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:03 pm UTC

One minor nitpick - it seemed jarring that the Captain would go from being ignorant about what ... pretty much everything... to being able to hotwire the computer system so quickly...

Not really a contradiction, but it just didn't sit right.

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Postby PatrickRsGhost » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:07 pm UTC

Aluminus wrote:Oh yeah, JOHNNY 5 from Short Circuit
Spoiler:
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I knew there was something familiar about WALL-E's look. I couldn't put my finger on it.

SpitValve wrote:One minor nitpick - it seemed jarring that the Captain would go from being ignorant about what ... pretty much everything... to being able to hotwire the computer system so quickly...

Not really a contradiction, but it just didn't sit right.


I know. I can understand if his survival instincts kicked in, but they shouldn't have kicked in that quickly. The only thing I can surmise is
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he made the assumption that the Auto-Pilot Bot somehow killed the previous Captains, since it did look rather menacing in the background of their pictures. There may have been previous attempts to return to Earth, if plant life had been discovered there in other parts (besides where WALL-E was stationed, which looked like either San Francisco or Los Angeles), but since the plan to head back to Earth was scrubbed a long time ago, the Auto-Pilot was programmed to stop the Captain from returning to Earth using any means necessary, even death. The other Captains may have been willing to return to Earth, but this one was more belligerent to do so.
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Postby protocoach » Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:55 pm UTC

SpitValve wrote:One minor nitpick - it seemed jarring that the Captain would go from being ignorant about what ... pretty much everything... to being able to hotwire the computer system so quickly...

Not really a contradiction, but it just didn't sit right.

He wasn't ignorant about everything, just the protocol for returning to Earth. He did know how to run some of the other stuff. And it's not like he developed the ability to hack the computer, he just connected a different power supply. It's not that crazy.

That, at least, was how I saw it.
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Postby PatrickRsGhost » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:14 pm UTC

protocoach wrote:
SpitValve wrote:One minor nitpick - it seemed jarring that the Captain would go from being ignorant about what ... pretty much everything... to being able to hotwire the computer system so quickly...

Not really a contradiction, but it just didn't sit right.

He wasn't ignorant about everything, just the protocol for returning to Earth. He did know how to run some of the other stuff. And it's not like he developed the ability to hack the computer, he just connected a different power supply. It's not that crazy.

That, at least, was how I saw it.


I think he might have been ignorant on how to return to Earth because he had probably never been briefed on the protocol and procedures. Since the plan had pretty much been scrapped a couple of hundred years prior to his appointment, any information had been withheld, and no longer became a part of the captain's training. Other areas would have been, like how to access the manual override, should the Auto-Pilot have a slight malfunction (hopefully not like HAL or GLaDOS), or turning on the video screens to greet all the passengers.

I'm sure in the beginning of the Axiom space colony, shortly after the evacuation of Earth, they had performed routine drills to prepare the captain and all the passengers of Axiom for returning to Earth. When it was realized that returning was not an option, they decided to scrap any "return to Earth" drills, and so of course the present captain was clueless.

I can see something similar happening in any private company, or even in any level of government. There's usually a procedure for any event, but if (A) the event doesn't occur on a regular basis, and (B) drills for that event are not performed routinely, then everything can get bumbled up, and getting through the event can be difficult.
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Postby protocoach » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:57 pm UTC

PatrickRsGhost wrote:
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SpitValve wrote:One minor nitpick - it seemed jarring that the Captain would go from being ignorant about what ... pretty much everything... to being able to hotwire the computer system so quickly...

Not really a contradiction, but it just didn't sit right.

He wasn't ignorant about everything, just the protocol for returning to Earth. He did know how to run some of the other stuff. And it's not like he developed the ability to hack the computer, he just connected a different power supply. It's not that crazy.

That, at least, was how I saw it.


I think he might have been ignorant on how to return to Earth because he had probably never been briefed on the protocol and procedures. Since the plan had pretty much been scrapped a couple of hundred years prior to his appointment, any information had been withheld, and no longer became a part of the captain's training. Other areas would have been, like how to access the manual override, should the Auto-Pilot have a slight malfunction (hopefully not like HAL or GLaDOS), or turning on the video screens to greet all the passengers.

I'm sure in the beginning of the Axiom space colony, shortly after the evacuation of Earth, they had performed routine drills to prepare the captain and all the passengers of Axiom for returning to Earth. When it was realized that returning was not an option, they decided to scrap any "return to Earth" drills, and so of course the present captain was clueless.

I can see something similar happening in any private company, or even in any level of government. There's usually a procedure for any event, but if (A) the event doesn't occur on a regular basis, and (B) drills for that event are not performed routinely, then everything can get bumbled up, and getting through the event can be difficult.

Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking, although it seems like they never did drills for that period, given that the computer was set up to activate only when plant life was found.
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Postby PatrickRsGhost » Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:12 pm UTC

protocoach wrote:Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking, although it seems like they never did drills for that period, given that the computer was set up to activate only when plant life was found.


The way I saw it was that when the drones reported back evidence that the Earth was resustaining life, the computer would alert the captain, who would have made the final decision as to whether or not to return the people to Earth. I would imagine that the captain would have made an official announcement, stating that what they've been waiting for for hundreds of years has finally happened, and they will be heading back soon. This would have prepared the occupants more for the departure. All of that may have been part of the drills that previous captains had gone through, before the CEO of BuynLarge said forget it, the Earth's too toxic to return to. We might as well just stay away forever. They had no hope at the time, and figured the Earth would in no way recover within a reasonable amount of time.

Me, I would have said to wait a few years. Maybe send out more drones to monitor the situation, have them collect more samples, record climate conditions, etc. until we were certain that the Earth is fully capable of sustaining carbon-based lifeforms again.

But, that's just me. I'd want to wait a while, instead of being in a big rush to go back and mess the planet up again, just when it had a chance to heal itself. Why reopen an old wound before it's fully healed?
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Rippy » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:05 pm UTC

Then again, their "healing" plan was basically to pile trash up into gigantic towers. Hardly the most effective strategy, especially considering the giant wind storms.

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Postby Jebobek » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:33 pm UTC

I think they had plans past trash-compacting, but they were eliminated after they assumed it would be useless. However, the robots never stopped when the humans did, and box piles spun out of control into towers. Wind storms were another unexpected feature.

Of course, much more tests would be done to make sure humans can go back and live on Earth. I'm glad Pixar made it fast and snappy, though. Kind of gets the message across that you can always turn right around and start taking care of the planet.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Neuman » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:10 pm UTC

I don't think the clean-up plan involved giant trash towers at all. The small WALL-E's were probably supposed to pile trash-cubes into small towers, which larger transport-bots were then supposed to take to automated recycling centers. However, I don't think the designers accounted for the dust storms, which led to everything shutting down except WALL-E, who kept doing what he was supposed to do: compact trash, then pile the cubes. So most of the towers were probably WALL-E's work. He did have 700 years, after all.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby longs » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:34 pm UTC

SPOILERS throughout

This was a hugely fun movie to watch with friends. We're all pretty nerdy, so it was a riot to all burst out laughing after I said the Captain's computer was just like Wikipedia, and that he was going to be there for HOURS, and then, sure enough, to see him hours later saying "define 'hoedown.'" And many other such moments.

That said, I liked it so much almost solely for its level of artistry. I thought the themes and the romance were contrived, and I'm not much into action scenes, specifically, the artistic techniques used at the climax of the film. I was uncomfortable with the green-tinged message, since I thought it was unnecessary; social intent corrupts art. And yes, I did notice the 'Survive---live" line, and I thought it was nice, but I actually cringed since it just didn't feel quite real enough for me (and because I'd heard it before, as a cliche). And Eve's shift from robotic to warm and loving and her developing love for Wall-E was far too unrealistic for me to feel anything. But you shouldn't pay too much attention to me--this is just my natural bitterness and cynicism shining through here, my strident demands for realism.

But still, the flight scene, and montage of the nebulae as WALL-E is leaving Earth, and many, many other scenes (the dialogue-free opening half hour)--were beautiful, breathtaking, original, and a tremendous delight to find in such an unassuming movie. In spite of all my criticisms, its artistry is the most important.

The next part is spoilered because it's just my philosophical rant on problems I had with the movie.
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The claim that going back to Earth, to nature, and to old ways of doing things is an application of the naturalistic fallacy. We have used technology to abandon biological and physical limitations because doing so makes us happy; returning to them JUST because they're natural features of our physical world should not make us any happier or our lives any more meaningful.
I don't think the world will ever look that way. It is extremely cynical to present a far future in which humans are not intelligent, foresighted, conscientious, or rational enough to develop technologies to handle our waste. It is cynical to present human nature as tending towards the brainless satisfaction of physical needs---not as static, but /worsening/.
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Postby asanisimasa » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:44 pm UTC

longs wrote:SPOILERS throughout

[bunch of intelligent stuff]


I agree with most everything you said here (except I'm a sucker for romance, even if it was rather contrived; and realism has it limits). And I definitely agree with your philosophical rant, that's something I'm always trying to explain to people.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby longs » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:14 am UTC

Thanks, asanisimasa. I hope you meant that, because I took it as a compliment. I got little sympathy from my friends for these ideas, as they only gently teased me for being so cold and cruel to the movie.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:06 am UTC

Aww, I really dug it! I love the concepts driven home, that Earth needs our protection, that everytime Wall-e interacts with someone he breaks them out of their routine and they start noticing things ("We have a pool?!" "Look at the stars!" "*Hey, I have a hand, and I can WAAVE with it!*"), and that he was the only one in the movie with a non-directive hobby, except Eve, who just enjoyed her freedom.

Really, all in all, a wonderfully optimistic and sobering movie. Hats off to Pixar.

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longs, i just read your post, and you have good points so I want to see if your still around and reading this:

I think the idea of humans turning to blobs of apathetic fat was a bit hyperbolic, but the real message to be gleaned was that if we don't get our heads out of our asses, we'll lose sight of whats right in front of us. Not neccesarily the beauty of the stars, or 'holy crap, we have a pool!'. WALL-E forced everyone around him to sort of look up from their monotonous routine, and for it, they were changed.

Furthermore, if you stayed for the credits and the neat montage of art through the years, the point wasn't 'return to nature and abandon pollution!' it was to look forward and coexist. The images of men pulling fish from the river with the help of robots, or the giant WALL-E's (i think called WALL-A?) holding bricks up high for humans to lay into buildings... It seemed in this world humanity had lost their edge by falling into a BIGGER FASTER BETTER consumerist mindset (and im' a fan of consumerism), and felt that problems would be solved for them (By In Large? Brilliant!)

Yes, the romanticism was a bit heavy handed, and yes, the logistics of the world wouldn't pan out (where did the babies come from? why was the ship ejecting waste?) But frankly, it IS a kids movie, and if kids movies now adays aren't pandering the old shit that disney used to put forth (Beauty and the Beast, Sleeping Beauty, Little Mermaid... All rife with pretty awful messages), but instead saying "HEY KIDS! Wake up and DO something, protect something you care about, and fight for something you believe in!" Then I say hell yeah! Wall-e was a great rendition of what all punks think they are doing; he was a simple childlike teacher showing people something unexpected and good for them.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Jebobek » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:12 pm UTC

longs wrote:SPOILERS throughout

And Eve's shift from robotic to warm and loving and her developing love for Wall-E was far too unrealistic for me to feel anything. [/spoiler]


I can agree with you somewhat, except for the fact that Eve was already behaving a little off from its programming before encountering Wall-E. It made sure the rocket ship was off and away and, while it felt it was alone, went for a little joyride. Eve likes to "enjoy things" just like Wall-E does, it just doesn't realize to what extent that will take them.

On another note, Pixar made the right move in making sure that Eve was the only scanning robot seen active in the movie. By doing so they'd have to show Eve as much more distinct than the others, creating an even greater feeling of "Waaaaaiit.. what are the chances that a quirked-out scanning robot is the first to meet a quirked-out compactor robot?"

Maybe all Eva's have the quirk.. Well, the movie was pretty so whatever! :D
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Vanguard » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:26 pm UTC

I have to agree. I noticed that she had some slight personality before meeting Wall-E, and that really helped, otherwise I would have thought the same. "Random personality in this new robot?" not the case.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:11 pm UTC

All the robots had *some* personality, just like all the humans had *some* personality. It just took a bit of a nudge to wake them up and develop that.

Like when the cleaning robot scrubbing after WALL-E saw the contamination and was shaking with anger, and jumped off his tracks to follow the mess.

Or when the guy who Wall-E knocked off his chair was trying to get back on his sofa, gets pushed back up by Wall-E and is like "Um, hello, I'm (whatever the guys name was), nice to meet you Wall-E"

I think the idea is that EVERYONE, from the umbrella robot to the button pushing robot that learns to wave, to the people who are just mindlessly meandering about, was just stuck in their routine, and that Wall-E, after 700 years of cleaning and collecting, was the only real self-conscious individual.

Personally, I'd like to know what happened to the other Wall-E's. I can totally dig the idea that Eve routinely gets dropped on Earth and has a week or two to roam around and scan for life, and as such developed personality the same way Wall-E did.

I really think it was a beautiful movie, and a really fantastic message... The overriding message, not the environmentalist spin... Which was 'Pay attention, your missing something great'.
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Re: WALL-E

Postby Jebobek » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:41 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
I really think it was a beautiful movie, and a really fantastic message... The overriding message, not the environmentalist spin... Which was 'Pay attention, your missing something great'.


Convienantly, this message they used is very, very XKCD in my opinion. I think thats why I loved it so much.

I think that Wall-E became self-aware before the eventual deaths of all the other Wall-Es, who never thought to pick apart disabled bots and use their parts as replaicement. The other Wall-Es, In my belief, just ran until something went wrong, which made them stationary. Then the windstorms came and broke apart their circuits. Our little hero knew to get out of the storm and kept his innards intact.
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