eightysevendegrees wrote:darwinwins wrote:and besides, as i recall, the matrix finished. firefly was cancelled and the movie did less than mediocre business, so by default trinity wipes her ass with river tam by virtue of success. if you want to go by a different metric on who's more known, matrix again wipes her ass with river.
Firefly was cancelled and they still made a movie out of the show! The sort of thing doesn't just happen. That sort of thing needs hoards of angry fans demanding that they find out what the hell is going on inside River's head and who those Reavers were.
I can't think of any show before Firefly that got cancelled but still got a movie. That success was purely due to the outcry of the fans who wanted to know more story and more about the characters. That I think shows how awesome River was.
Whereas I didn't bother seeing the third Matrix film at the cinema because the second had been such a disappointment. And the third was still a disappointment. The first Matrix film was great, I'll grant you, but the second and third did not deserve to be a success at all. Those two films were successful based purely on the merits of the first and some exciting-looking trailers. Whereas I'd not even heard of Serenity because the marketing was so lame until my boyfriend said, "Hey, I think there's this sci-fi film out that I've heard is pretty good." It was on in a tiny two-screen cinema on the outskirts of town, not in either of the big multiplexes. It's no wonder the film's not going to be a best seller if no one knows it exists.
let's see ... futurama's in the process of four movies. family guy was cancelled then picked up again with a bigger paycheck for its creator (a hundred million dollar contract for green and joss's got what? a new show that's on the verge of cancellation).
you're very mistaken about the success of firefly. it did extremely well on dvd. the movie ... not so much. the second matrix movie outgrossed serenity's entire run. and know what else? as stupid as the matrix movies were, they were not nearly as stupid as firefly's movie title. fucking SERENITY. oh yeah, that'll attract the masses. a movie that's more apt to attracting deeply emotional emos, goths, and hormoal teenage girls.
sure i liked the shows but goddamn it, the movie was just a longer tv episode. it didn't feeeeel like a movie. mediocre is one way to describe how i felt about how much effort was put into the movie to make it feel like a movie. star trek had more heart than that. and as far as i can tell, most of star trek is fairly heartless.
so let's go back and say 7 of 9 wipes the floor with both river and trinity. pretty much for the same reasons as kusanagi. also, 7 of 9 was one of the major reasons why obama was elected president. so she beats river, trinity, and kusanagi. how's that for jumping across genres, mediums, and realities?