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Postby Joeldi » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:43 am UTC

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LO3n67BQvh0

I just finished reading the book and was surprised to see a movie coming out so soon after. The trailer does look like it's something I'd enjoy seeing, but would seem to be very different from the book. It seemed such a simple book, with so few characters, and a concise but gripping story, and it looks like they've gone way over the top with this adaptation. I also figured the book was firmly set in Britain, so using American VAs irks me, as always. (Though apparently Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders will be playing typically French and Saunders-y characters)
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Re: Coraline

Postby annals » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:24 am UTC

Er, it looks very...cute. And madcap. Coraline isn't cute or madcap. It's really a pity. I was excited when I saw the promotional poster; now I don't know if I want to see it at all.

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Re: Coraline

Postby Neuman » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:16 am UTC

Well, not that this proves or disproves anything, but the marketing might be a lot different than the actually tone of the movie. Remember how the trailers for "Bridge to Terabithia" made it look like a Narnia clone?
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Re: Coraline

Postby teamcorndog » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:44 am UTC

That book had a few moments that completely freaked me out. I'm pretty sure the movie will be a lot more kid-friendly, which will give it a different flavor. But I think it looks enjoyable so I'll probably see it and then go sulk in the corner, whispering "the book was betterrrr" to myself.

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Re: Coraline

Postby Various Varieties » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:55 am UTC

annals wrote:Er, it looks very...cute. And madcap. Coraline isn't cute or madcap. It's really a pity. I was excited when I saw the promotional poster; now I don't know if I want to see it at all.


Which poster...?

  • Great poster! Captures much of the atmosphere and sense of exploration of the book! :mrgreen:
  • Great poster! Striking, and in a style that these days you usually see in animated films' "art of" books rather than their posters! :mrgreen:
  • Horrible poster! Garish, and an overdose of 'tude! :(

teamcorndog wrote:That book had a few moments that completely freaked me out. I'm pretty sure the movie will be a lot more kid-friendly, which will give it a different flavor.

You might have that impression from the trailers, but judging by the very first footage that was released of the film just over a year ago, I'm sure it'll provide nightmare fuel for its share of kids. :)

I'm absolutely looking forward to it, given the quality of The Nightmare Before Christmas. I don't remember being too keen on James and the Giant Peach, but in retrospect I was probably too harsh in judging every element of that film by how it had been changed from the book. I won't do the same this time!

Also, since I missed Beowulf (Gaiman connection ahoy!), Coraline will be the first film I'll see in 3D. And it should be a good first one: from what I hear the 3D effects will actually have a point rather than being just gimmicky (I gather that they intend to vary the level of 3D to achieve a similar effect to to the shift from black and white into colour in The Wizard of Oz).

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Re: Coraline

Postby tin » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:36 pm UTC

Well, to be honest, i'm more excited about this film because Henry Selick and his team of animators will be on the screen again (stop-motion 4 lyfe). I haven't read the book, but I thought his animated adaptation of James and the Giant Peach was quite lovely. I'm sure Selick wouldn't butcher Coraline, especially when Gaiman has been involved in the film production.
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Re: Coraline

Postby steewi » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:49 am UTC

I have to admit the American accenting is a little off-putting. It probably shouldn't be, but it is.

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Re: Coraline

Postby Klapaucius » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:37 pm UTC

As someone who's never read that book, I have to ask, do the They Might be Giants characters in the trailer have anything to do with the plot?
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Re: Coraline

Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:47 pm UTC

teamcorndog wrote:That book had a few moments that completely freaked me out. I'm pretty sure the movie will be a lot more kid-friendly, which will give it a different flavor.


I haven't read the book, but I was listening to a Neil Gaiman interview the other week, recorded right around when the book was released, and he said that adults he had showed the book to saw it as nightmarish, while kids just thought it was a cool story.

I thought that was neat.

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Re: Coraline

Postby fersrs » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:01 am UTC

The book is so awesome, it should be pretty hard to make the movie at least as good. What I really hope they get right, like in the posters, is the eeriness of how empty and alone everything is. I do like the button eyes in the trailer though.
Also, is it just me or does Coraline look slightly too old in the posters?

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Re: Coraline

Postby Textual Hedonist Gone Amok » Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:05 am UTC

Despite being a 'the book was BETTAH' man, this is one movie that I'll give the grace of exception to- that is, I'm not going to read the book. Ever. Just because I don't want to taint the possibility of awesomeosity that Coraline will assail my eyes and mind with.
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Re: Coraline

Postby teamcorndog » Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:30 am UTC

Textual Hedonist Gone Amok wrote: I'm not going to read the book. Ever. Just because I don't want to taint the possibility of awesomeosity that Coraline will assail my eyes and mind with.


Wuh? Why?

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Re: Coraline

Postby PatrickRsGhost » Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:41 pm UTC

Klapaucius wrote:As someone who's never read that book, I have to ask, do the They Might be Giants characters in the trailer have anything to do with the plot?


According to IMDb, Gaiman stated back in March 2007 during a reading that TMBG would be doing the soundtrack.

Further searching confirms this. It was composed by Bruno Coulais, and features a new song by TMBG.
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Re: Coraline

Postby quintopia » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:39 am UTC

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. The art style was absolutely brilliant, and the TMBG cameo just made my day.

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Re: Coraline

Postby Cleverdan22 » Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:24 pm UTC

Yeah. this movie was truly great. Not scary, but creeeeeepy. Also, I was sitting beside my friend who likes They Might Be Giants also, and he leans over and says, "Dude, do you recognize that music." Then I just grinned, and high fives were exchanged. Silent ones though. We're in a movie theater.
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Re: Coraline

Postby quintopia » Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:57 pm UTC

I saw it again, in 3D, and my prior assessment still holds, but more emphatically. In fact, I would say Coraline>Nightmare Before Christmas.

However, since it is 99% awesome, I feel like I won't hurt opinions of it by nitpicking a bit.

1) While most of what Coraline did and said demonstrated her undeniable cleverness, the dialogue (err monologue...) in the Jumping Mice Circus was insipid and contrived. She seems more like the type who would not say anything at all rather than spoil the moment with the sound of her own voice. It really is obviously out of place.
2) The only evidence we have that Coraline is actually from Michigan we have for most of the movie is the fact that she says so and the fact that her friends back home ask her about her swampers and tuke, as Dakota's accent is mild if existent at all. However, at one point she crawls through the tunnel and the cat says "You're headed right into her trap." And she replies, in the broadest Michigan accent "I have to go. They are my parents." If she had spoken this way the whole movie, it might have been an expression of strength, courage, determination, resignation, etc. However, to me and probably to anyone not from the Great Lakes area, it becomes a comedic moment because of the sudden accent.


Now for some questions the movie left unanswered to anyone who has read the book:

1) What is the belle dame's primary means of getting information about the real world? In particular, the first scene shows her "drawing" a doll from the real world, turning it into a Coraline facsimile, and sending it back into the real world. Wybie later finds the doll locked away in his grandmother's attic, where it presumably was before Coraline moved into the Pink Palace. At this point, the little door is still sealed behind the wallpaper, so how did the belle dame find out in advance that Coraline would be moving in, what she would look like at the time (hair dyed blue), and what clothes she would be wearing? Is she somehow clairvoyant? If so, this would obviate the need for the doll in the first place to learn about Coraline's problems. Moreover, how did she know the voices of Coraline's friends back home when she animated them in the photograph? Presumably from the dialogue, these people had never been to Oregon before. (This one has a possible explanation: the belle dame made up their voices and Coraline was too excited to notice.)

2) Why does the belle dame completely animate her puppets in the other world (Other Wybie and Other Father)? In particular, if she has created them only to confuse and ensnare Coraline, why does she give them the freedom to disobey her? I feel any answer to this would be particular intriguing (for instance, if she animates her puppets with real souls that she has previously ensnared. . .there is a potential for a huge amount of backstory).

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Re: Coraline

Postby Yakk » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:55 pm UTC

I suspect this G rated movie will be nightmare fuel for more than one kid.

It is very well crafted, and it is a good yarn.

I read the book years back, and from what I recall, it seems pretty faithful.

I didn't see it in 2d, I saw it on IMAX 3d. The 3d effects didn't get in the way.

Quite good -- I'd recommend seeing it. Even if you love the book.
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Re: Coraline

Postby quintopia » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:16 am UTC

If you still have the book on you. . .answer my questions plz?

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Re: Coraline

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Re: Coraline

Postby teamcorndog » Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:35 pm UTC

Quintopia - I'm guessing you haven't read the book? The book won't answer the questions you asked...because it works in different ways. In the book, there's no Wybie, and no spy-puppet things. The Beldam just sort of exists as a reflection of what Coraline thinks she wants.

But anyway, I think you're looking for too much meaning in things. Remember, this is primarily a kid's show. Suspend your disbelief just a leeeetle farther ;) And go read the book, it's amazing!

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Re: Coraline

Postby PatrickRsGhost » Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:36 am UTC

I went to see the movie. It was pretty good. There were a few things I noticed that irritated me, since I had read part of the book via the link posted above.

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In the book, Coraline and her parents live somewhere in England. In the movie, they live in the U.S. Maybe this was to make it more appealing to U.S. moviegoers vs. English/British moviegoers?

Also in the book, the two old women, Miss Spink and Miss Forcible. who lived downstairs performed in Shakespeare plays (one talks about how her portrayal of Portia really brought them in, while the other talked about her performance of Ophelia. In the movie, I think they were portrayed more as vaudeville performers. In the book, they warn Coraline of all the superstitions that come with acting, like don't wear green in the dressing room, don't mention the Scottish Play by its real name (Macbeth! Yes, I said it.), but in the movie, they only warn of the green in the dressing room.

I thought in the book Mr. Bobinski was Italian or French, not Russian, as was depicted in the movie. In fact, in the book he's not given a name at all.

The only really creepy part was when Mesdames Spink and Forcible showed off their dogs long since passed, taxidermied and clothed in angelic robes, wings, and a halo, posed as if they were praying, all sitting up on a bookshelf.

In the book, they're Highland Terriers, but in the movie, they looked more like Cairns.


quintopia wrote:2) The only evidence we have that Coraline is actually from Michigan we have for most of the movie is the fact that she says so and the fact that her friends back home ask her about her swampers and tuke, as Dakota's accent is mild if existent at all. However, at one point she crawls through the tunnel and the cat says "You're headed right into her trap." And she replies, in the broadest Michigan accent "I have to go. They are my parents." If she had spoken this way the whole movie, it might have been an expression of strength, courage, determination, resignation, etc. However, to me and probably to anyone not from the Great Lakes area, it becomes a comedic moment because of the sudden accent.


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The Real Father was shown primarily wearing a University of Michigan sweater.
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Re: Coraline

Postby annals » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:08 am UTC

Hm. I thought it was...okay. I didn't like that movie-Coraline was a giant brat, or that her parents were such jerks to her in the beginning. They didn't come off so neglectful in the book. The movie also suffered from the same problem as many other children's book to movie adaptions: the filmmakers decided it needed more action to keep the interest of the kids, so they "spiced up" the thoughtful and interesting parts that draw in older audiences. This especially bothered me at the end sequence. Oh well. The art was pretty awesome. And is anyone else surprised that they were allowed to put giant claymation boobies* in a US PG rated kids movie?

*Yes, boobies. There is no other appropriate word in this situation.

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Re: Coraline

Postby teamcorndog » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:12 pm UTC

annals wrote:And is anyone else surprised that they were allowed to put giant claymation boobies* in a US PG rated kids movie?

*Yes, boobies. There is no other appropriate word in this situation.


The boobies were the freakiest thing in the whole movie. Seemed really out of place too. I've got nothing against boobs, but those were just wrong *_*

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Re: Coraline

Postby fersrs » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:53 am UTC

I saw the movie in 3D and it was pretty good. The 3D itself was wonderful, and very subtle but still noticeable. The movie was, of course, not as good as the book, but it certainly did the book justice. The main problems of the movie were Coraline herself and the other world. Coraline seemed to be more extroverted in the movie; in the book she didn't speak much and didn't bug her parents. The other world seemed too extravagant, in the book it was just a really good version of real life and in the movie it seemed like this crazyamazing fantasy world.

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Re: Coraline

Postby Jessica » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:17 pm UTC

I enjoyed this movie a lot. It was fun, and actually was quite creepy at parts.
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Postby tzvibish » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:21 pm UTC

annals wrote:
*Yes, boobies. There is no other appropriate word in this situation.


I was watching this with my wife and when that specific scene happened, she was like "What did you say this movie was rated? It's for kids?" It was huge oversight to let that little "wardrobe malfunction" pass muster in the editing.

Does anyone else think that the soundtrack is brilliant? I usually try to notice soundtracks, but this one was just awesome in every way. Amazingly ambient and atmospheric, fitting the tone of the movie perfectly. Shows that you don't need to do the stereotypical Danny Elfman bombast to pull off a great animated movie soundtrack.
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Re: Coraline

Postby Zohar » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:12 am UTC

I loved the soundtrack as well. One of the best parts of the movie. I also liked how they did stop-motion animation but in puppetry style instead of the more common putty/clay style.
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Postby tzvibish » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:28 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I loved the soundtrack as well. One of the best parts of the movie. I also liked how they did stop-motion animation but in puppetry style instead of the more common putty/clay style.


Is that what it was? I knew it was different somehow than regular stop-motion, but now i see it.
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Re: Coraline

Postby Zohar » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:37 am UTC

tzvibish wrote:Is that what it was? I knew it was different somehow than regular stop-motion, but now i see it.


That's what it seemed like, to me.
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fersrs wrote:I saw the movie in 3D and it was pretty good. The 3D itself was wonderful, and very subtle but still noticeable. The movie was, of course, not as good as the book, but it certainly did the book justice. The main problems of the movie were Coraline herself and the other world. Coraline seemed to be more extroverted in the movie; in the book she didn't speak much and didn't bug her parents. The other world seemed too extravagant, in the book it was just a really good version of real life and in the movie it seemed like this crazyamazing fantasy world.

And in the film Coraline is a bloody idiot. She never stops to question why a whole alternate universe, alternate family, and alternate set of neighbors should exist just to fulfill her every want until she's asked to pay a price for it. The book's Coraline pays one visit to the Other Mother's World, realizes something is very wrong, and goes home. She only returns at all because at that point her real parents disappear, and she feels a sense of responsibility to go back and save them.
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Re: Coraline

Postby tzvibish » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:15 pm UTC

Well, I think the movie would be lost on much of the target demographic if she became to intellectual about it. Neil Gaiman doesn't write fairytales (contemporary fantasy, I guess?) but the movie obviously had the fairytale in mind. I still think they got the gist of the message down pretty well, which is be careful what you wish for. Also, since when is it ever fair fair to compare the work of a great author to the movies made of their books? It's never a smooth transfer.
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Re: Coraline

Postby glitterbug12 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:44 pm UTC

I've never read the book, but I thought the movie was awesome. Way to creepy to be marketed as a kids' movie though, or at least I think it was. It's pretty cool how they animated it.

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Re: Coraline

Postby headprogrammingczar » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:37 pm UTC

You would be amazed what kids can handle. I was watching Jurassic Park when I was 4, and at the time all I thought of it was "holy crap, dinosaurs!"
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Re: Coraline

Postby Yakk » Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:00 pm UTC

Neil Gaiman doesn't write fairytales

Wait, what?
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Re: Coraline

Postby modularblues » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:36 pm UTC

headprogrammingczar wrote:You would be amazed what kids can handle. I was watching Jurassic Park when I was 4, and at the time all I thought of it was "holy crap, dinosaurs!"

I have to say I was pretty traumatized by the T-rex head suddenly popping out in that one scene.

I really enjoyed Coraline, in any event.

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Re: Coraline

Postby Jesse » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:20 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:
Neil Gaiman doesn't write fairytales

Wait, what?


It's an entirely true statement, he doesn't write fairytales. He plays with them, and experiments with fairytale ideas, but it's clear that what he's writing isn't a fairytale.

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Re: Coraline

Postby DoctorSubmarine » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:07 am UTC

I loved the book as a kid. I'm not ashamed to admit that I stole it from my sixth-grade teacher's classroom! And I loved the movie. It was definitely in my top ten best films of last year. In fact, I didn't see the changes that they made from the book as changes, per se, but more as an expansion of the story. Gaiman could have easily written and published the movie version of the story. Would it have been as good? No, but it would have been really, really close.
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Re: Coraline

Postby Dead Tom » Sun May 02, 2010 12:31 am UTC

I didn't read the book, but I thought the movie was pretty good. I just thought it was WAY to creepy for the audience it was marketed for. I will admit, I was a bit unnerved by the whole sewing-buttons-in-eyes stuff, and I can see a whole lot of 8 years olds being terrified.

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Re: Coraline

Postby Jesse » Sun May 02, 2010 12:42 am UTC

Dude, I was reading goosebumps at eight years old. Kids LOVE creepy.


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