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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Chen » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:51 pm UTC

JayDee wrote:Yeah. I have a hard time understanding people who went in expecting, you know, plot.


There's a difference between expecting a masterpiece and expecting something with at least a consistent plot thats not full of holes.

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The whole Tron bit really annoyed me. He suddenly turns "good" at the end just in time to save the day with absolutely NO build-up whatsoever. They only identified him as Tron pretty damn late in the movie (though I imagine most people ID'd him earlier). It felt like a ridiculously cheap way to let the good guys win. Not to mention the father's super powers that would certainly have come in handy earlier during the whole escape thing.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby JayDee » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:09 pm UTC

Chen wrote:There's a difference between expecting a masterpiece and expecting something with at least a consistent plot thats not full of holes.
Well, yeah. It's the latter that I'm surprised by. Expecting a masterpeice is beyond ridiculous.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby keozen » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:55 pm UTC

I liked it, so sue me.

I wasn't expecting a perfectly crafted beautifully scripted masterpiece I was expecting some good fun with cool CGI which is exactly what the first film delivered.

The only thing that pissed me off as such was the under-use of Tron himself. He needed more of a tail to his story arc with more exposition at the end to explain it fully.

But hey, I think it was hinted enough when he fel into the water that he wasn't dead so maybe that's something for "Tron Reboot" (or whatever they call the next one).

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby broken_escalator » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:19 pm UTC

I really did get what I expected out of it. But the ending felt so forced to me, and since that's the last bit it really left a bad taste. It seemed like they wrote...
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Tron to have his redemption then were like, oh shit, now we need Clu to somehow confront the dad again. But they're already ahead and Tron messed up Clu's flier. Time to handwave Clu to the portal without anyone noticing! Oh and the father can't get through because him and Clu need to explode, because we mentioned that earlier and we get foreshadowing achievement if we use it.


I think the disco scene with daft punk and the crazy cane guy (zeus? asus? wasn't sure of his name) was my favorite part. The tron games section was pretty good too, though that section was a lot shorter than I thought.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Nhoj Serob » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:11 pm UTC

JayDee wrote:Yeah. I have a hard time understanding people who went in expecting, you know, plot.

O.K. I expected a wafer-thin plot, I didn't expect a tattered and broken one, which is what I got.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Chen » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:15 pm UTC

Nhoj Serob wrote:O.K. I expected a wafer-thin plot, I didn't expect a tattered and broken one, which is what I got.


Yeah that was pretty much the point I was trying to make.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Giant Speck » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:15 pm UTC

I'm starting to think this Nhoj Serob guy didn't like the movie. I think I need to hear more of what he has to say before I'm sure, though.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby JayDee » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:07 pm UTC

keozen wrote:The only thing that pissed me off as such was the under-use of Tron himself. He needed more of a tail to his story arc with more exposition at the end to explain it fully.
I was expecting an obvious sequel hook scene at the end of him coming out of the water. But I think it was meant to be a redemption & death ending to his arc.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:09 pm UTC

I enjoyed this movie as an audiovisual experience. That said, as many others have commented, the plot left a lot to be desired.

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It just seemed like they kept starting subplots and never giving them adequate attention to develop into something interesting.
-Tron's conversion and redemption
-The closed vs. open source banter near the beginning
-The importance and nature of the Isos
-The way the Grid would "change everything"
-The state of Encom as a company, and the people in it
-The ability for Flynn to "re-integrate" to destroy Clue.
-Quorra, in general.
-Exactly what they were doing in/with the Grid before Clue went nuts.


Sure, a lot of this stuff was briefly touched on, but I felt like all of them had interesting opportunities as plots and story elements, but none of them actually took advantage of that potential. I left satisfied with the money I paid, but it could have been much better.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Bhelliom » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:28 pm UTC

Did anyone else see the trailer and immediately say: WTF the lightcycles aren't moving at right angles!!!!!
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Nhoj Serob » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:22 am UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:I enjoyed this movie as an audiovisual experience. That said, as many others have commented, the plot left a lot to be desired.

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It just seemed like they kept starting subplots and never giving them adequate attention to develop into something interesting.
-Tron's conversion and redemption
-The closed vs. open source banter near the beginning
-The importance and nature of the Isos
-The way the Grid would "change everything"
-The state of Encom as a company, and the people in it
-The ability for Flynn to "re-integrate" to destroy Clue.
-Quorra, in general.
-Exactly what they were doing in/with the Grid before Clue went nuts.


Sure, a lot of this stuff was briefly touched on, but I felt like all of them had interesting opportunities as plots and story elements, but none of them actually took advantage of that potential. I left satisfied with the money I paid, but it could have been much better.

Thanks for these, you've given me more to add to my list of holes and frayed/loose ends.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Giant Speck » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:28 am UTC

This kind of story might have made for a better television series rather than movie, methinks.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby GhostWolfe » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:34 am UTC

Jesse wrote:If, like me, you went into this film wanting to see pretty things glow brightly while Daft Punk makes your eardrums explode in joy, then you'll really enjoy it.
I was expecting more fun. Flynn had fun exploring the world inside the computer. He was amazed by what he saw and what he achieved. He laughed.

Legacy, on the other hand was deadly srs bsns. That's what really disappointed me about it. The plot holes I can live with. The lack of wonder,not so much.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Midnight » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:46 am UTC

Eh I'd rather watch this one than the original Tron, I guess. That one being boring as all getout. It's sorta like comparing the original Oceans 11 and the George Clooney one. They're totally different movies, but I would rather watch the George Clooney one. I'd argue that even though Legacy tried to be "srs bidnez" it was still totally goofy and filled with... Michael Sheen, the Dude, and Daft Punk. I mean, characters don't have to have a ton of fun for the audience to have fun.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby GhostWolfe » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:51 am UTC

Well, that's just me. I like original Tron, and I preferred the original Ocean's 11. I think their version of the robbery was far more interesting and clever :wink:

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby RahulKolasseri » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:50 am UTC

Hmm, I actually enjoyed the movie, tbh.. Sure, there were things like why couldn't dad use his powers and save the day waaay earlier, but I can live with that.
For some reason, I thought if the ISOs as "isomers of people" thingies. Also, I loved the "only way to win is to not play" line.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby broken_escalator » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:07 pm UTC

I felt like there were a fairly good amount of homages or references in that movie, and I did enjoy that.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Amnesiasoft » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:02 am UTC

I just saw it and rather enjoyed it. Except the music, but I'm told I have no taste anyway, so whatever. I came in expecting something really cool looking, and that's what I got. I am also convinced that the beginning of the movie was written by Richard Stallman.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby headprogrammingczar » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:21 pm UTC

I was absolutely floored when I noticed all the terminals used GNU utils correctly. Off the top of my head, I remember seeing top, w, ps aux, and kill -9.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Amnesiasoft » Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:58 pm UTC

headprogrammingczar wrote:I was absolutely floored when I noticed all the terminals used GNU utils correctly. Off the top of my head, I remember seeing top, w, ps aux, and kill -9.

grep was in there too.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby JayDee » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:24 pm UTC

I loved all the keyboard / touchscreens under dark glass. Like a cocktail arcade machine.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby mmmcannibalism » Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:56 am UTC

Bhelliom wrote:Did anyone else see the trailer and immediately say: WTF the lightcycles aren't moving at right angles!!!!!


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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Zohar » Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:28 pm UTC

Saw it today. Pretty, awesome soundtrack, plot wasn't as horrible as I expected after reading this thread, I expected some cooler fights scenes. Did you notice there were some scenes in the trailers/teasers that weren't in the film? I don't like when they do that.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby JayDee » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:30 am UTC

I think the teaser trailer - the one that ends with "It's just a game!" "Not anymore" - was a separate promotional thing. Unless it was right at the start and I missed it because the silly cinema were so slow in opening that morning.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Dobblesworth » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:47 am UTC

Saw it this afternoon, enjoyed it thoroughly.
- Daft Punk soundtrack blew me away. The bass on the speakers sounded about as rumbling as that little refrain thumping from Inception.
- Disco scene was very enjoyable.
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Hi I'm going to strut around like a David Bowie with a snazzy cane, dance along to my inhouse DJ's Daft Punk, join in with some electric guitar riffs ON MY CANE and scatter Scarface machine gun fire-esque rounds into the melee below WITH MY CANE!

- Met my expectations of being a good 3D film on its own merits of visuals, unlike the Tangled & Yogi Bear trailers attached to it which very much enjoy the "and just to remind you this is 3D, we're going to send an object flying out into your field of vision that you'll think is within grasping range, and let it hang there and poke you in the face a while for the gasp value and giggles" gimmick. Good visual effects that ought not to be experienced in simply 2D.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Zohar » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:30 am UTC

I dunno, I thought the 3D here was a useless as in other films.

Also, not enough close-up shots of the shirtless hot guy.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:30 pm UTC

You say that about every movie! Including "Hot Shirtless Guy Close-ups 2: Electric Boogaloo"!
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby broken_escalator » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:50 pm UTC

I saw it in 2D because I didn't think 3D would add anything of value. Although I'm pretty picky about 3D; the only film I thought 3D made sense for is Jackass so far.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Zohar » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:59 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:You say that about every movie! Including "Hot Shirtless Guy Close-ups 2: Electric Boogaloo"!

That's because it's always true.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Amnesiasoft » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:08 pm UTC

I don't remember any shirtless hot guys in this movie. I do remember quite a few in the Buffy TV series...

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby broken_escalator » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:13 pm UTC

I think he was shirtless when he first got suited up for games? I don't remember entirely but that would be when if there was ever a time.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Zohar » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:45 pm UTC

Yes, unfortunately he is only very briefly shirtless there.

And while Buffy is wonderful in so many other ways, IMO the guys there are usually not very hot at all. Xander is, a bit. But Angel and Spike? Blech.
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby monicaclaire » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:52 am UTC

So, I just saw the movie.

Visuals and music made it. There most certainly could have been more substance and banter to the story. But obviously, this was the beginning of a sequel (As Tron falls into the ocean of virtuality (hmm, that may not be a word) and Sam rides off into (or I guess away from) the sunset with Quorra) so hopefully they can expand in future ones.

Sure, I can concoct multiple connections, but really, what great relevance did the The Mysterious Island have to this movie?

And I was rather disappointed not to have a "elementary physics" quote. :(

On a side note, I was talking to a young psychology major the other day about going to see this movie, and when asked, she said she would have no interest in seeing the movie. Stating "I'm more into real life movies."

I thought - Ahhh, isn't that cute, do you have a hard time discerning which is which? :lol: :roll:

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby GhostWolfe » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:44 am UTC

Zohar wrote:I dunno, I thought the 3D here was a useless as in other films.
I think Legacy was the one film they could really get away with over-the-top 3D, and they wasted the opportunity. It was just so FLAT, and I was just so disappointed; especially considering that they specifically went to the effort of filming certain scenes in 2D for the contrast, the 3D should have really popped right out of the screen.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Felstaff » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:32 pm UTC

I was disappointed by the subtlety of the 3D. I felt that it was one of those films they didn't initially intend to make in 3D, but saw the sudden rise in popularity to wearing sunglasses in dark rooms, and did what they could with the material they had.

Daft Punk + Michael Sheen was the best scene in the mmmmovie. Even better than racing on split-level glass in full-reclining motorbikes through a camera that has far too great exposure. Should have made more use of the reversing o' the gravity, methoughts. (Graversity?)

The plot was woeful enough to really break you out of the cinetrance. Young Jeff had that uncanny-valley-skimming Beowulf/Polar-Express dead-eyed look. Which I guess is ideal for a personified bunch of zeroes and ones, but the other programmes; they had real human faces, n'est-pas? I wasn't really concentrating on the plot. I sort of didn't think about Tron at all, and it was at the 'twist' near the end when I went 'oh. That's Tron? Forgot about him.'

It speaks volumes that my lil' 9-year old brother was entranced and sat, rapt, throughout the whole thing. He's a guy who doesn't really have any interests, hobbies, or anything to get passionate about, but coming out of the cinema, it was hard not to feel jealousy towards the innocence of youth as he ran around saying 'that was amaaaaaaaazing' and pretending to ride a light-cycle. I felt that way about Aladdin's magic carpet, the brontosauruses in Jurassic Park, or the T-800 in Terminator 2. The little git wanted me to take him to see Fred: The Movie, and threw a tantrum when I said "we're going to watch Tron 2, and that's final." He'd never even heard of it (you hear that, Disney? My nine-year old was not affected by your tsunami marketing!)
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:22 pm UTC

Michael Sheen played the role of a poor man's Ziggy Stardust crossed with a poor man's Jareth rather well
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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Amnesiasoft » Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:26 pm UTC

Castor/Zuse was my favorite character. This surprised none of my friends :P

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby roband » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:22 pm UTC

Well I liked it!

One thing that shocked me is that I didn't notice ANY of the music. This is a very good thing - because it means I'm hearing it and experiencing the movie as a whole, rather than listening for it and not concentrating on watching.

Someone said about being shocked about the lack of lightcycle scenes, but they don't feature THAT heavily in the original. At least, not in-game lightcycling.

I didn't notice Young Jeff's CGIness (I'd been told to expect it by a friend, premovie) until
Spoiler:
he stuck his head through the portal 'force-field' at the end.


I liked the fight scenes. And when
Spoiler:
the characters jumped into the air with the lightcycle/fightery-jet sticks that turned into the vehicles around them
I accidentally said "That is so badass" out loud. The girl sat next to me in the cinema looked shocked and amused.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby Amnesiasoft » Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:15 pm UTC

roband wrote:I didn't notice Young Jeff's CGIness (I'd been told to expect it by a friend, premovie) until

I thought it was most noticeable at the beginning when he turns around to say bye to Sam and leaves the house.

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Re: Tron Legacy

Postby headprogrammingczar » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:34 pm UTC

Quite. He looks like a bobblehead in that scene. From then on, the young face fits in well, probably because it's easy to rotoscope a CG face against a CG scene.
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