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X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Jesse » Mon May 04, 2009 10:33 pm UTC

Don't go see it, ever. I mean it. I just got back from watching it and it's the worst comic book film that's ever been made.

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Deadpool: No mouth, katanas that come out of his fists like Wolverine's claws, and Cyclops' eyebeams. What. The. FUCK.
Don't even get me started on the shit they did to Wolverine himself.

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Zohar » Tue May 05, 2009 5:51 am UTC

I'm planning to go see it and laugh at its horribleness. I never liked Wolverine that much, I'm hoping to enjoy myself.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Izawwlgood » Tue May 05, 2009 6:05 am UTC

Zohar, you're dead to me.

But yes, the movie is awful awful awful awful. The coming attractions were more entertaining.

Why? Aside from the fact that I paid money to see it, why does Hollywood think that if we throw plot solutions into a sequential shit storm of popular comic book characters it'll pass for a story?

All the Hugh Jackman interviews local papers keep pandering about how he was excited to show audiences Wolverines 'dark and conflicted nature'.

And seriously. SERIOUSLY.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Zohar » Tue May 05, 2009 6:17 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Zohar, you're dead to me.

Meh, I know my viewpoint isn't popular.

Izawwlgood wrote:And seriously. SERIOUSLY.
Spoiler:
Memory erasing bullets?! MEMORY FUCKING ERASING BULLETS?!?!?


Sounds more awesomely bad by the minute. :P
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Jesse » Tue May 05, 2009 11:27 am UTC

That's the thing though, it isn't a "So bad it's funny" situation. It's just "So bad it's infuriating."

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby headprogrammingczar » Tue May 05, 2009 1:03 pm UTC

I just went for the fight sequences. It isn't so much a "damn that was good" movie as it is a "NASCAR doesn't have enough explosions" movie. In that sense, it was extremely good.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Izawwlgood » Tue May 05, 2009 1:46 pm UTC

The fight sequences consisted of Wolverine yelling loudly (something Hugh Jackman utterly fails at) and some flashy camera work as him and Sabertooth man handle one another.

The only other 'fight scene' involved a guy who just fired guns accurately, and occasionally jumped on obvious wires.

The only 'fight scene' I enjoyed was watching Ryan Reynolds in his half second of bullet time. The only guy with any entertaining lines was Ryan Reynolds, who had maybe 3 minutes of screen time, and whose character, the only character with any real quip to him;
Spoiler:
Got his lips stitched shut. It's as if the directors are punishing us for realizing the star of the movie isn't even worth watching, and only some dude they spun into a near cameo roll has made you laugh so far.


Stan Lee wasn't in this film.

The time line was way off, it'd be like making a Captain America Origins story and having Ice Man be on his team.

The plot of Wolverine Origins felt worse then a bad student film, with every problem resulting in someone saying some line to the effect of "Right, we're locked out of the shed, so lets run into the house and get the key! Right, we got the key and are in the shed, look, a trap door that leads to the service shaft! We're in the service shaft..." Beyond fucking linear.

And Zohar man, I'm just playing, you're the Ruby Sunglasses to my Cyclops (see, it's like a dick joke!)
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby SecondTalon » Tue May 05, 2009 2:56 pm UTC

Jesse wrote:Don't go see it, ever. I mean it. I just got back from watching it and it's the worst comic book film that's ever been made.

Spoiler:
Deadpool: No mouth, katanas that come out of his fists like Wolverine's claws, and Cyclops' eyebeams. What. The. FUCK.
Don't even get me started on the shit they did to Wolverine himself.
Wait. Wait wait wait.

Wait.

What?
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Spacemilk » Tue May 05, 2009 3:20 pm UTC

Jesse wrote:Don't go see it, ever. I mean it. I just got back from watching it and it's the worst comic book film that's ever been made.

Spoiler:
Deadpool: No mouth, katanas that come out of his fists like Wolverine's claws, and Cyclops' eyebeams. What. The. FUCK.
Don't even get me started on the shit they did to Wolverine himself.


Wikipedia says: (I didn't catch this)

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In some copies of the theatrical release, there is a post-credits scene in which Deadpool's hand is seen reaching for his severed head, at which point, he opens his eyes and breaks the fourth wall as he whispers to the audience, "Shhh..."

source: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... ws/?a=7247


I don't know if that's interesting to you or not, since I never really read the X-Men stuff so I don't know what's "right". But I really disliked the movie. The characters were awful and unbelievable, no real attempt was ever made to help the audience form a connection with any of them. The plot line was . . . non-existent? Jerky? Contrived? How about all of the above? There were so many instances where unbelievable plot points happened, such as:

Spoiler:
the obvious one, where Wolverine's girlfriend dies, but hey presto magic! She didn't really die. Even though they could've had all that stuff about the sister (who should have been Mystique, imo, but this is coming from someone who doesn't know Mystique's real background, I just thought it would be cool) with the girl dying, they HAD to bring her back. The other one was Xavier showing up at the end - no foreshadowing whatsoever, just why not, right?
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby setzer777 » Tue May 05, 2009 4:59 pm UTC

Yeah, definitely not a great movie...they tried to rely on constant action scenes - not only is it a prequel so you know everyone important survives, but even the gut-level suspense is somewhat lessened by the fact that the main character heals from *everything* in about 10 seconds. If your main character is almost impossible to hurt, you'd better find a better source of drama than endless fight scenes...

I felt that the whole relationship with Victor had potential and could have been explored more fully to make a story that was actually satisfying and emotionally moving to some degree, but it ended up being incredibly shallow.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Izawwlgood » Tue May 05, 2009 5:06 pm UTC

I just want to point out the actual Wolverine Origin comic is really quite good. It has twists, and heart break, and above all, the beginning of the erasure of Logan's past. The movie had... None of that.

I'd also like to point out the 'conflict' of Logan is primarily, as I see it, in his amnesia. As far as he exists in the modern mythos, he is a pretty balanced and interesting man, well read, incredibly intuitive, and overwhelmingly sensitive. To boil him down to 'Animal Side! / Guy who likes cigars and women' is almost insulting. Like... Oh... Wait...

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stitching Deadpool's fucking lips shut! Making Blob just be 'some fat guy who has suggestive powers of strength'
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby CueBall » Tue May 05, 2009 5:07 pm UTC

I loved the bit where
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He had Victor on the floor and was about to kill him.

because
Spoiler:
Wolverine's hair was FUCKING HILARIOUS. It tried to be serious, and me and my friends were just laughing and laughing at his cloud-hair.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Chen » Tue May 05, 2009 6:35 pm UTC

Wow the plot holes were bad in this one.

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When his wife was "killed" did he not notice that she had absolutely no wounds on her body. I mean Sabertooth isnt the most subtle of killers...

After the whole experiment thing, why the hell would Striker send his ultimate marksman out to kill wolverine, after directly saying he just made him nearly invincible, WITHOUT the goddamn Adamantium bullets? He had JUST seen that regular bullets did nothing to him.

And what about that teleporting guy. Why did he somehow think he was going to kill Sabertooth by PUNCHING him?

The whole memory erasing bullets were just the icing on the damn cake....

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby headprogrammingczar » Tue May 05, 2009 9:24 pm UTC

The memory bullets sort of made sense. What WAS odd was how he didn't suffer any other brain damage, just the memory loss.
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Postby aireoth » Tue May 05, 2009 9:30 pm UTC

I thought I'd chime in with a bit of a review.

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A Word on Wolverine


IGN wrote ‘Not the disaster you were expecting’ and partially I am inclined to agree. From the stand point of a non-comic reader I can understand that this movie would be at least enjoyable. The action isn’t terrible, the dialogue is only corny, and the character is likable.

That being said, I am a comic book fan, and I know that the majority of people seeing this movie will have at least some understanding of the X-Men comics, especially after the surge in readership after the original X-Men movie. To put it mildly, this movie basically ignores everything established in its comic counterparts, which I expected after X-Men The Last Stand. As a result the experience is wholly unsatisfying and there are many moments when I found myself tempted to look the other way, and not bastardize the heroes and villains of my youth. So let’s start with Wolverine/Logan’s character and work from there.

Wolverine is undoubtedly Marvel’s most loved character, while I don’t agree with many Wolverine fanatics on his importance and awesomeness I do enjoy his comics and have an appreciation for his deeper character. Wolverine’s origins have been pretty clearly laid out in comics, he has always had an inner animal, he sought to contain it, and events conspire to prevent that. This in essence is Wolverine’s origin; his character has been one of animalistic violence and rage, juxtaposed with his struggle with his inner ‘humanity’. He has always been intuitive and sensitive, which to me has always been because of his animalistic nature, and why people like him so much (readers and marvel character). In the movie, Wolverine’s origin isn’t as bad as I was expecting, they do a decent job blending in Sabertooth as his brother, and I can deal with the change from the Oriental background to Canada. However, Logan never shows the desire to overcome the animal and embrace humanity that he has in the comics, instead he is always shown being the odd man out in Striker’s team, and is always human. My understanding is that Logan got his hands really bloody before making a break; the movie fails to satisfy that aspect.

Moving on I’d like to talk about the other characters briefly. Sabertooth is Logan’s brother, and instead of embracing humanity from the beginning, he gives into the animal side. I found myself more interested in Sabertooth then Logan, as they did a better job portraying duality and inner conflict with him then they did Logan. I don’t know what was up with Shadow, the teleporter, but his character just made the ignorance of the writers even more apparent when he foolishly engages Sabertooth, knowing full well what the man can do. Blob, also to few lines to really tell, they hint at an inner conflict and the development of an eating disorder, but they do nothing with it but make a few poor jokes and have Logan fight him in a boxing ring. Striker, another character that would benefit from development in this movie was also brushed aside, his hate of mutants is only touched on briefly. Zero, well his name basically summed up his importance to the movie. Gambit, hardly has an accent, first thing that bugged me, second, he’s an idiot in the movie. Gambit has always been energetic and impulsive, a mirror to his powers, however he’s also a sly thinking fighter, never the kind to try to power through someone like he does in this movie. Also for some reason he attacks Logan, when Logan is clearly going to kill Sabertooth, his original jailer, and there is never any explanation given. Lastly, the most screwed up character in this movie is Deadpool, his initial powers seem to be lighting fast reflexes (perhaps taskmasters) he can block bullets with swords, which isn’t Wade at all, but I was willing to overlook it. Later they kill him, and use his body to be the perfect mutant hunting machine, combining Shadow’s teleport, Logan’s healing, Cyclopes’ beam(!?), and my memory is fading on the other powers as it was getting ridiculous. Striker says he puts 5 powers into Deadpool, at which point I just about walked out, as it’s very obvious they decided to go with Mimic rather then Deadpool, and just meld the character. I still held out to see this monstrosity, hoping more quips would come from him, then his mouth was sewn shut, basically eliminating any existence of Deadpool from the character. Also, are his arms stuck straight when the katanas are inside them?

In the end, after watching every hero movie released, I have decided to never again pay theater prices, or possibly even pay period, to see any Marvel movies made by Fox. The market has proved with blockbusters such as Batman, Iron Man, Hulk 2, and even Spiderman that translating a movie pretty much directly from its comic book source is not only doable, but highly successful. It doesn’t alienate existing fans, and succeeds in bringing them to the general public, however Fox seems to think that comics need serious adapting, with studio interference, and these movies have been terrible since X-Men 2. Good Luck Marvel, if I’m at all right, you’ll need it.

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Mother Superior » Tue May 05, 2009 11:08 pm UTC

aireoth wrote:I thought I'd chime in with a bit of a review.

Only thing I gotta outright disagree with you on is Sabretooth. I found him to be pathetically one-dimensional and dull. Rest of the movie was pretty meh, but it had Hugh Jackman in it so that part wasn't too bad.
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Postby steewi » Wed May 06, 2009 5:42 am UTC

Spacemilk wrote:Wikipedia says: (I didn't catch this)

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In some copies of the theatrical release, there is a post-credits scene in which Deadpool's hand is seen reaching for his severed head, at which point, he opens his eyes and breaks the fourth wall as he whispers to the audience, "Shhh..."

source: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... ws/?a=7247


Dang! That would have been much better than the "sequel tie in" bit I saw. And totally what I expected.

I enjoyed it. But I'm *very* easy to please with movies. I would have watched it just to ogle Hugh Jackman and Liev Schreiber man-handling each other. Inconsistencies with comic continuity are par for the course in movies.


Stan Lee wasn't in this film.


I was looking for him, and couldn't find him. :(

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Jesse » Wed May 06, 2009 10:00 am UTC

steewi wrote: Inconsistencies with comic continuity are par for the course in movies.


No no no no NO! Now they used to be, oh yes they did. But then Marvel decided to do something daring, called Iron Man. Films like that and the Dark Knight have given us cause to expect funnybook films to be true to the comic as much as they can be while still creating a worthwhile cinematic experience so I feel fully justified in telling everyone I know that this film should be avoided.

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Gentlelady » Wed May 06, 2009 10:26 am UTC

I was worried this movie would be bad. I'm still tempted to see it to ease my fascination of horrible movies. I'll go see it in the drive in and pay the 6$. I can always go watch another movie after.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Jesse » Wed May 06, 2009 12:09 pm UTC

If you have to see it, pirate it. Don't give them your money for this bullshit.

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Postby Gentlelady » Wed May 06, 2009 12:22 pm UTC

I will hunt for it today and watch it. I'm just too lazy to drive 20 minutes out of town to watch a movie that will infuriate me. Thank you for the warning.


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Postby Izawwlgood » Wed May 06, 2009 1:14 pm UTC

To second Jesse, I find it pretty irritating that the continuity wasn't just 'off', but ignored completely. I fully support the notion of twerking a tale to fit the screen, e.g., Sin City, Watchmen, The Punisher, and recognize you can't transplant a comic book into a movie verbatim, and shouldn't try.
But this. Wasn't. Acceptable. It was a shitty movie that didn't pay it's subject matter an iota of respect. Period.

Also, re: After credit little scene:
Spoiler:
Deadpool saying shhhh? That's not cool, or clever, or in character, that's just some jackass deciding to make sure we know that the regenerating super mutant isn't dead. Because, you know, him falling into a pile of rubble and disappearing wasn't a big enough clue.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Mother Superior » Wed May 06, 2009 2:51 pm UTC

As a non-comic book kind of person, I was mostly annoyed with it not following continuity from the previous X-men movies, which kicked ass (Well, The Last Stand was pretty mediocre, but X-men and X2 were kickass).
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Postby culled » Wed May 06, 2009 4:36 pm UTC

Jesse wrote:Don't go see it, ever. I mean it. I just got back from watching it and it's the worst comic book film that's ever been made.

I haven't seen it nor do I intend to but no way could it possibly be worse than Catwoman.

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby aireoth » Wed May 06, 2009 4:37 pm UTC

Mother Superior wrote:
aireoth wrote:I thought I'd chime in with a bit of a review.

Only thing I gotta outright disagree with you on is Sabretooth. I found him to be pathetically one-dimensional and dull. Rest of the movie was pretty meh, but it had Hugh Jackman in it so that part wasn't too bad.


All I was trying to say about Sabertooth is that his character had the most potential, there where a few brief moments that could have been used to really open up the character and create something far more interesting. In the end they did nothing with him, I'll admit I had hope until the last fight and the corny line "I'm the only one who gets to kill you" (I think that was it). Sabertooth had potential, not that they did anything with it.

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Postby Spacemilk » Thu May 07, 2009 2:11 pm UTC

aireoth wrote:All I was trying to say about Sabertooth is that his character had the most potential, there where a few brief moments that could have been used to really open up the character and create something far more interesting. In the end they did nothing with him, I'll admit I had hope until the last fight and the corny line "I'm the only one who gets to kill you" (I think that was it). Sabertooth had potential, not that they did anything with it.


That line made me so angry because of its stupidity. But it wasn't the only one. The script writing was just terrible in this movie.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Jebobek » Fri May 08, 2009 12:35 pm UTC

I enjoyed it because I went to it not expecting an X-Men movie. I expected an action movie starring Wolverine, and I got exactly what I wanted. The ending, which was a series of resolutions, was rather annoying. I don't like this style of ending, didn't like it in the end of Star Wars episode 3 either.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Fri May 08, 2009 3:05 pm UTC

Except not much was resolved?
And the action was awful? Like, tell me, how is that two dudes who specialize in blade hand-to-hand combat manage to not spill a drop of blood when dealing with one another?
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby headprogrammingczar » Fri May 08, 2009 3:56 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Except not much was resolved?
And the action was awful? Like, tell me, how is that two dudes who specialize in blade hand-to-hand combat manage to not spill a drop of blood when dealing with one another?

To whom are you referring? I distinctly remember in pretty much every fight Logan gets his ass kicked, then heals.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Fri May 08, 2009 5:12 pm UTC

It's a pet peeve of mine when an 'action' film depicts blood-free violence. Logan should be covered in blood, drenched. He *WILL* pass out from blood loss and being beat on too much, but the movie just sort of has him clean with mildly tattered clothing and a rapidly sealing scratch.

Wolverine and Sabertooth claw and scratch and gouge one another constantly. There should have been more blood then 300.

And the resolutions at the end of the film were nothing more then excuses to get characters to the next point in the story, and make sure we know that there's going to be a sequel.
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Postby Jebobek » Fri May 08, 2009 6:12 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Except not much was resolved?
I really don't pay enough attention to the details, so could you tell me what is still not tied off? As of right now I could watch this and then X-Men 1, and probably not wonder what happened to who sans
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Postby podbaydoor » Fri May 08, 2009 9:56 pm UTC

I found this movie entertaining. *flees*

Of course, I benefited from going in with low expectations.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby annals » Sat May 09, 2009 6:00 am UTC

Jebobek wrote:I enjoyed it because I went to it not expecting an X-Men movie. I expected an action movie starring Wolverine, and I got exactly what I wanted.

That was pretty much my experience. I have to admit I was watching mostly for shirtless Hugh Jackman, and on that front the movie delivered.

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Gojoe » Sat May 09, 2009 6:41 am UTC

I liked the movie. It was OK. It was horrible compared to Star Trek (which I saw the day after I saw Wolverine). But it was quite a mediocre film. I would watch, but would not recommend it. But I would not tell people to NOT see it.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby bigglesworth » Sat May 09, 2009 8:44 am UTC

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Cytoplasm » Sat May 09, 2009 11:11 pm UTC

Coming from a person who only got a glimpse at the comics and watched some of the cartoon series back in the early '90s (pretty sure it was then, if not, early 2000's), I liked it. But that was the point: flashy, full of action, reappareing characters, and cliche moments.

I forget who said it, but I do agree with why Shiller (Shiller, yes?) would Shiller send Zero when he knows that Wolverine is indestructable. The only thing I can think of is arrogance.

And from project 11 (or whatever that guy's new name is) I think the reason they gave him katanas from the hand was because that was what he was good with. But, it still seemed far-fetched to make such a creature with all those traits.

The ending started to get a little bit boring and cliche, but hey, they can do that since they're going to make a good amount of money.


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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Ixtellor » Mon May 11, 2009 7:59 pm UTC

I thought the movie was ok, but something that bothered me:

The Sword guy has the ability to swing his swords so quickly he can block/deflect machine gun fire.

So then they add to him Adamantium swords.

When fighting wolverine, He should have been able to slice and dice up wolverine into 1000 pieces before Wolverince could even react.
Wolverine doesn have super speed/speed of light reflexes, so he would be unable to blocking 100 attacks from super sword guy, much less a single attack.

Other than that, I thought it was cool.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Jebobek » Mon May 11, 2009 8:09 pm UTC

I was thinking that since they had to put programming in him, as well as all those other powers, and that he was not "completed" when he was unleashed, that his responses were dulled. Sorta like loading up a remote-control car with features (bigger wheels, a spoiler, some kickass ghostflame decals) and learning how to control it with your remote.
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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby GhostWolfe » Sat May 23, 2009 6:35 pm UTC

It's 4am, I can't sleep. So for some reason I'm thinking about X-Men Origins. Go figure1.

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I totally buy the "memory erasing" bullet thing. What we don't know about how the brain works etc etc. Even if Wolverine can regenerate brain tissue, we can't say that his memories, or the ability to access them wouldn't be completely lost in the process.
But as I was thinking about it tonight, I realised...
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There were no exit wounds. Those bullets could still be in there, forever2. :shock:

2 Assuming we selectively ignore that bit in X2 where Wolverine's body physically rejects a smaller bullet from under the skin.
And just because my mind enjoys wandering off on strange tangents...
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Does adamantium-infused bone heal? I presume that since adamantium is unbreakable, he's never had the chance to test that particular theory out? I mean, if there's enough bone in his skull to remember how to heal, it wouldn't be able to generate the adamantium with it. So, either Wolverine in this time line has two holes in his skull, or two weak spots.

I was disappointed in this movie. Not so much that I think people shouldn't see it, but enough that if half the crew don't get naked, I'm not going to pay to see the sequel.

As for the whole Deadpool thing... I'll be more than happy to ignore if the writers suffer some sort of amnesia where they forget how Origins/Wolverine ended. You know, like the way we ignore Matrix Revolutions ;)

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Re: X-Men: Origins (Wolverine)

Postby Izawwlgood » Sat May 23, 2009 10:48 pm UTC

Memory Bullets:
The thing that bugged me about this MOST was the complete disregard for canon. Sure, I get it, it's a comic book movie adaptation, so changes have to be made. This was huge. Weapon X made Wolverine, they took Jimmy, the war vet with a troubled paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast, and gave him adamentium bones, trained his mind to be impervious to psychic attack, and as a bonus, ERASED HIS FUCKING MEMORIES. Mixing it up is like saying "Ah yes, Professor X, that charmingly powerful psychic with the British accent who moonlights as a Harlem Globetrotter, hahaha, what a dilettante of his time!"

Adamentium Skeleton Healing:
I've wondered about this too, because there have been a few examples of him getting limbs severed, amazingly, even cutting off his own fingers (I guess we'll just accept that adamentium can cut adamentium?) and they grow back. I can MILDLY accept that as long as there's a scaffold, Wolverine will grow back around it given enough time, but I wouldn't expect his healing factor to repair adamentium. I'm not sure what the comics say about this. He's been burned down to the skeleton on numerous occasions, but I'm not sure how they handle damage to his actual skeleton. Recall that Magneto at one point ripped all the metal from his body, and the damage caused his healing factor to 'burn out' temporarily, so presumably, he's got his limits. As a comic book fan, it is our duty to see him pushed to those limits, and cover our mouth with one hand and hiss in pain when those limits are pushed.

I hate how X-men and this got sequels, Blade and Hulk... All good movies AS STAND ALONES, with crappier and crappier sequels, when an actual factual AWESOME superhero movie gets ignored (The Incredibles)
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