Yakk wrote:What, his planet was destroyed, and he wants revenge? Call it 10 billion people killed? That isn't a good motivation?
Sir_Elderberry wrote:I dunno, I think "my planet has been destroyed, and the guy who promised he could stop it turned out not to be able to do shit", for someone who's already hated Vulcans most of their life, is a pretty decent motivation.
It's something that opens up too many questions when he's sent back in time. If you're sent back in time before the destruction of your home planet, with a bunch of the stuff that could've saved your home planet if it got there in time, well... you'd go and save your home planet. Or at least warn them. Sitting for 25 years (or in a Klingon prison camp maybe) so that you can get revenge on something that you're in a position to prevent seems... guided by arbitrary standards.
Not to mention that he seemed pretty damn crazy as soon as he went back in time, even before stewing for 25 years (in a Klingon prison camp maybe). As soon as he confronted the USS Kelvin, he came in guns-blazing and ready to kill the captain in cold blood. 25 years later, nothing really changed (hell he even tried the same thing with Pike, just adding some torture beforehand).
This is one of the reasons I really dislike whenever time travel is brought up--there are too many "but why didn't you just do X?" questions that come up. But I'm willing to overlook it and just assume Nero's another thinly-developed arch-villain, and the main focus of the story is on the Enterprise crew.
Yakk wrote:Anything in particular?Kizyr wrote:The interaction between Spock and Uhura
Moo got this one the same way I would've put it... After we'd been built up to believe that Spock wanted to be wholly Vulcan (acknowledging his human side, but still sticking to all-logic-no-emotion) all of a sudden he has a (reciprocal) love interest. That it mainly came out right in front of Kirk also makes it look like the main purpose was to make Kirk a bit jealous.
Although Moo's link is making me re-think this all...
Jesse wrote:It's kind of an Abrams thing, it is pretty much what he does in everything he's ever directed. Also, explain what you mean by angle shots, because most shots are taken from some kind of angle, and I'm asuming you don't hate all low-angle shots ever.Kizyr wrote:Angle-shots, shaky-cameras, and lens flare. I hate these three techniques, yet why do directors insist on using them?
I mostly hate them when they're overused, although mild use still irritates me. Usually they grate on me when it's somewhere around 30º or more. (Clear example: when Spock was standing before the [literally] high council, about to reject their invitation, the camera came in on a very low angle shot to the left.)
StupendousYappi wrote:Kizyr wrote:...Oh, and I never liked Vulcans anyway.
So you've been secretly wishing for the destruction of their homeland? You evil man, what did the Vulcans ever do to you??
I've always admired the Vulcans
Well... .... .....the only way I can adequately explain this is in-character.
Since the day after Cochran made first contact, the Vulcans did nothing but hold us back. No matter how many human advances were made in warp engine design, they kept coming back with "no, you're not ready" over and over again. It's like a parent wanting to keep their 23-year old child at home after he's already finished college and started working. Really, I always figured they were just jealous--it took them centuries between developing warp drive and spacefaring, so naturally they figure "us stupid humans" couldn't possibly do it any faster. So they set us back to avoid invalidating their assumption that Vulcans are superior to everyone... hiding behind logic and deception...
Which gets me on another thing... how much Vulcans flat out lie. They always pull the same crap, saying that they're incapable of lying, but then demonstrating their sheer mastery over misleading you to believe something completely contrary to the truth. They might not lie, but they're experts at deception--which, to me, is the same damn thing. (They still have the audacity to get upset at the destruction of the P'Jem Sanctuary, despite the fact that they were using it to spy on Andoria in clear violation of their own treaties! What more proof do you need of their deceptive nature?)
If you ask me, we're far better off without them. I say we shut down every Vulcan consulate in the world and force them all to leave this planet. The less interference, the better. Human hands built the first warp engine, and human hands can continue it--and a hell of a lot faster if we didn't have to deal with the Vulcans constantly putting us down.
And, yeah, sure it's sad that their home planet got destroyed. But you won't see me too upset. They were bound to piss off the wrong species somewhere down the line.