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Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Durnford » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:39 pm UTC

I'm a great fan of the comedy series Malcolm in the Middle and have looked for the series on DVD and only found season 1. Does anyone know whether the series is available as a box set or due to be available? I haven't been able to find it and I wonder why it's taking longer than other series which seem to come to DVD within a short time.

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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Zohar » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:31 pm UTC

From what I heard (I think I read it on wiki), they wanted to get the other seasons out on DVD but it cost too much to get the permissions to use the music. You can either wait for reruns or look um... elsewhere. Although, from what I saw, "elsewhere" episodes are very low quality (still highly enjoyable).
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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby PatrickRsGhost » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:49 am UTC

Zohar wrote:From what I heard (I think I read it on wiki), they wanted to get the other seasons out on DVD but it cost too much to get the permissions to use the music.


That's because the music used in most episodes, as well as the title song, was done by one of the most greatest bands of all time.
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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Jorpho » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:20 pm UTC

Strange, they never seemed overly protective of their work. They were selling DRM-free MP3s direct from their site a while ago.

Anyway, charming series, albeit rather uneven.

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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Asmodieus » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:22 pm UTC

They got cancelled a few times and came back.


The finale was kind of stupid, but from what I read on wikipedia, it was because they kept getting cancelled that the finale was like that.
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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Endless Mike » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:43 pm UTC

Jorpho wrote:Strange, they never seemed overly protective of their work. They were selling DRM-free MP3s direct from their site a while ago.

Anyway, charming series, albeit rather uneven.

It's typically not the artist who TV producers deal with for licensing rights.

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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Xbehave » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:15 am UTC

Didn't know about the music issue but they also use gratuitous amounts of sum41.
A quick search of the usual suspects turns up most a torrent with all 7 seasons (apparently 2 & 3 are low quality, fortunately 2/3 are regularly on sky so if the quality really is terrible somebody might series link+tv card+vorbify them)
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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:54 pm UTC

The problem isn't if there's only one artist being used. The problems always come in when you have multiple artists from multiple record labels, or even the same artist but work done on different record labels.

Which is why the Wonder Years has never and will likely never be released on any sort of home format.
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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Endless Mike » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:04 pm UTC

That's surprising, because that's a show that would make a killing on DVD.

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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Jorpho » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:32 pm UTC

There was an attempted release of WKRP in Cincinnati on DVD, but apparently many found the generic music substitutes to be unacceptable.

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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Clumpy » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:43 am UTC

Well, I for one am thankful that the rights of artists are being upheld with a labyrinthine series of laws. We can solve the problem by not wanting things until our corporate overlords deign to present them to us.

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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby sparks » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:43 am UTC

Oh geez. A slightly off-topic question, am I the only one who thinks that, as the series progresses, the subject matter becomes a bit more violent/sexual considering it is suitable for all ages or something? I'm not being highly-puritanical, I mean, I have played GTA, but most parents don't think twice about allowing kids to watch Malcolm in the Middle and wouldn't exactly talk to them about it. I know I sound incredibly "oh won't someone please think of the children" but sometimes it just surprises me a bit.

Also, today some of the older episodes were on TV, and Oh me yarm little!Malcolm was so adorable and cute. I felt like cryo-ing him to adopt him in ten or twenty years time.
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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Jorpho » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:28 am UTC

Indeed, I was quite shocked when I saw Malcolm in the Middle novels directed towards the tween set. It's hardly age-appropriate at all.

So Mr. Muniz is a racer now, apparently.

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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Durnford » Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:52 am UTC

Thanks to everyone for your useful comments. I didn't realise that the music was the major problem. It's baffling though that the programmes are still being aired - though there might be special conditions with a dvd release - but then again there is a dvd of season 1. You'd also imagine that tv studio lawyers would have sorted out the legal matters before a series was even filmed. I'm not in the tv industry but you'd think that there was an expectation that a series would go to dvd and this would be written in the contracts. Perhaps lawyers can earn more money wrangling over rights afterwards than sorting them out before :D. I agree that the box set would make the studios a lot of money if it were to come out.

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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby SecondTalon » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:40 pm UTC

Durnford wrote:Thanks to everyone for your useful comments. I didn't realise that the music was the major problem. It's baffling though that the programmes are still being aired - though there might be special conditions with a dvd release - but then again there is a dvd of season 1. You'd also imagine that tv studio lawyers would have sorted out the legal matters before a series was even filmed. I'm not in the tv industry but you'd think that there was an expectation that a series would go to dvd and this would be written in the contracts. Perhaps lawyers can earn more money wrangling over rights afterwards than sorting them out before :D. I agree that the box set would make the studios a lot of money if it were to come out.
When it's on TV, even in syndication, the company pumping it out there pays for X number of plays. When it's on a DVD, you have to pay for a perpetual number of plays. It works differently under the law, for whatever reason.

Now, as far as the TV shows go, most shows never make it past a pilot. Of the shows that make it past a pilot, a lot of them don't make it past the first season. Throwing language into the various contracts about "hereby allow plays of "Funky Lukewarm Mamas by the Baskertown Hotdogs in perpetuality via a home release in the form of, but not limited to, DVD, Blu-RayTM DVD, HD-DVDTM, VHS, Betamax, Laserdisk, Podcast, Direct Download, and future forms of home media as well as forms not mentioned..." scares the holy hell out of Music Industry folks. Because, really, in order to make sure all of your bases are covered (because you never know when Sony or Panasonic or whatever will release the MindcubeTM which allows for direct manipulation of your brain allowing you to view programming as if you were in the studio itself) you'd have to include any and all possible future media forms, or you've done nothing to eliminate the problem, merely momentarily deflect it.

I mean, if they mentioned media specifically, most of the TV series from the 70s and 80s would be limted to VHS releases.

The expectation is that the series is going to be a smash hit, but that it will cost next to nothing to pay the actors, really. Same as in the music business. But you are right.. the Music side makes more money negotiating it later, the TV side accepts this in exchange for being able to do it in the first place.
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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Joeldi » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:09 am UTC

The episode where Lois imagines she has daughters is on right now, and It's motivated me to say that this show has the best casting I have ever seen. All the brothers look like brothers, their parents look like their parents, and in this episode, all the daughters look like sisters, like the daughters of their parents, and like the female counter-parts of the brothers they represent. How the hell did they do that?
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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby UniqueScreenname » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:47 pm UTC

Bringing it back!...

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Re: Malcolm in the Middle

Postby Endless Mike » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:57 pm UTC

Funny that this got bumped. The full(?) series of both Malcolm in the Middle and Wonder Years are available on Netflix streaming, so I've been watching through them. Malcolm holds up surprisingly well, and yeah, the casting is pretty great.


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