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Re: Glee

Postby Lucrece » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:31 am UTC

That wasn't Finn; it was Jesse who made that query to Rachel.

With that said, I liked the previous season more thus far. The script in this first 2 episodes of the second season has been ghastly. They've basically just crammed musical numbers through disjointed and poorly fleshed out storylines.

I also hope the other characters besides Finn/Rachel get more musical opportunities. Finn is a weak, weak singer, and his statement about carrying the male vocals was deliciously ironic. Kurt, Artie alone whoop his ass to kingdom come vocally.

Tina is also awfully underused. Santana had some mean singing chops in Like A Virgin, and I was surprised because prior to this she had not stood out at all.

They need to lay off Rachel and let the others sing more solos. Some vocal diversity would be appreciated.
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Re: Glee

Postby Endless Mike » Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:28 pm UTC

Technically, this is still the first season. The main problem is that the last episode of the first half was intended to give a finale to the show should it not have more episodes ordered. As such, they had to figure out a way to continue the story, but they basically just repeated the first major hurdle. Hopefully, it'll play out differently.

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Re: Glee

Postby animeHrmIne » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:37 pm UTC

I watch this show weekly, but not religiously like some others, and I really like it. It different than anything on right now, and I think that that's part of it's charm.

Also, it's really funny when you read Jesse St. James as a modern vampire-boyfriend parody. He's smug and self-assure, but mean and patronising. He tries to be all brooding and it just comes off as cheesy. I personally am going to treat him like an Edward Cullen parody.
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Re: Glee

Postby Adacore » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:51 pm UTC

animeHrmIne wrote:Also, it's really funny when you read Jesse St. James as a modern vampire-boyfriend parody. He's smug and self-assure, but mean and patronising. He tries to be all brooding and it just comes off as cheesy. I personally am going to treat him like an Edward Cullen parody.

I totally hadn't thought of that, but now you mention it he's a great Twilight parody. Suddenly I hate the character far less (for some reason, with Glee, I don't really like a character until I've worked out what stereotype they're based on).

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Re: Glee

Postby Rinsaikeru » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:08 pm UTC

Yes! I was reading him as an Edward parody too.
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Re: Glee

Postby Malice » Thu May 13, 2010 6:46 am UTC

Wow, Glee had a good episode again. Good songs--that meant something--good plots that had consistent characterization, and Kurt's stuff was awesome (holy cow, he is so cute when he's pretending to be straight).

This is the first one this season that has left me actually wanting more. Although the fact that next week has
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Re: Glee

Postby superglucose » Thu May 13, 2010 9:25 am UTC

Amazing. I have never seen a series jump the shark this hard this quick. First half of the season was very good, and this second half is one 45 minute long ride of suck and fail after another. Did they like, suddenly switch writing staff? Did their staff take blows to the head?
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Re: Glee

Postby Endless Mike » Thu May 13, 2010 2:21 pm UTC

Yeah, I really enjoyed this episode. It's certainly the best since the break.

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Re: Glee

Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Fri May 14, 2010 2:45 am UTC

I am in love with Kurt's rendition of Rose's Turn. Er, Kurt's turn. You know.

I thought the previous episode (Bad Reputation) hit a Wall of Suck (not just because the songs were intentionally bad; & how do you name an episode that and not have any Joan Jett references?) and while this one wasn't perfect, I was entertained. Also I suspect they named Rival Boyfriend Character just to have the chance to have somebody sing "Jesse's Girl." I didn't see that coming, so I lol'd.

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Re: Glee

Postby Lucrece » Fri May 14, 2010 4:27 am UTC

So, I listened to their rendition of Gaga's Bad Romance, and my tearducts are now dried out after suffering through that travesty.

Dear god they need to lay off the auto-tune, give the boot to Corey Monteith as it comes to musical performances (put him in the background)-- Colfer and McHale make far better male leads, even Groff (Jesse). He's BAAAAAAAD and I don't know how the fuck he managed to get cast; it's such a blatant instance of injustice in the casting world.

Oh, and it's kinda funny how Naya (Santana) had been on the backburner for all this time, and now she gets to boast more prominent musical performances (admittedly good) than Tina, who's supposed to be a main character.

This last episode pushed the show back in a decent-- if not good-- direction. Let's hope they keep atoning for the garbage they've put us through.
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Re: Glee

Postby Endless Mike » Mon May 17, 2010 2:45 pm UTC

I think the problem with making McHale or Colfer the male lead is that on a show where the characters are largely caricatures, sticking the obvious ones in front can lead to some huge problems from various groups, while Finn is more of the "regular guy" character more or less. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I can see it being an issue. I don't mind Finn being lead male, they just need to stop letting him since (and McHale sing more - "Dancing with Myself" is one of my favorite performances thus far).

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Re: Glee

Postby Zohar » Fri May 21, 2010 7:29 am UTC

Oh me yarm Joss Whedon, Neil Patrick Harris, and Piano Man? AWESOME.
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Re: Glee

Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Fri May 21, 2010 5:49 pm UTC

I kinda hypersquee'd when NPH started singing. I thought the episode was overall pretty weak (for instance it'd be really nice if Tina had a personality other than Girl Who Likes Artie) but moments like that are why I keep watching.

I thought the Whedoning made it darker in a way that was really kinda weird. Not dark as in humor, as in, less lights.

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Re: Glee

Postby Lucrece » Fri May 21, 2010 6:25 pm UTC

Idina rocked my socks this last episode. Damn, that duet with Lea was powerful stuff.
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Re: Glee

Postby Zohar » Sat May 22, 2010 7:09 am UTC

The episode wasn't particularly great, but I love Piano Man, I really liked Artie's story (I don't think Tina is just girl-who-likes-him, she did have a bit more content before and hopefully will again) too. My biggest problem with the show is the songs are so much shorter! But what can you do, I guess?
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Re: Glee

Postby Chuff » Sun May 23, 2010 5:45 am UTC

I just find it cool that I can say I watched NPH sing Piano Man and then audition for Les Mis with an Aerosmith song.
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Re: Glee

Postby Endless Mike » Mon May 24, 2010 2:37 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:My biggest problem with the show is the songs are so much shorter! But what can you do, I guess?

Well, the producers decided to put more songs in the show. The problem is that they still need to tell a story, so the end result is that there's more songs, but they're shorter.

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Re: Glee

Postby apricity » Tue May 25, 2010 1:31 am UTC

H.E.L.e.N. wrote:I kinda hypersquee'd when NPH started singing.
I DID THAT THING TOO. I love NPH and I love Billy Joel and I mothereffin loved NPH singing Billy Joel into a beer bottle. And singing Aerosmith. Especially the ridiculous high notes. AND Idina Menzel finally sang! I watched it twice.

The big problem with singing more songs is that the whole themed-episode thing is way more obvious and obnoxious. "Oh, this one is about hello! We will sing songs that say hello in the title!" "Here is one about dreams! These are dream songs!" Ugh.
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Re: Glee

Postby Alder » Tue May 25, 2010 9:20 am UTC

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H.E.L.e.N. wrote:I kinda hypersquee'd when NPH started singing.
I DID THAT THING TOO. I love NPH and I love Billy Joel and I mothereffin loved NPH singing Billy Joel into a beer bottle. And singing Aerosmith. Especially the ridiculous high notes. AND Idina Menzel finally sang! I watched it twice.

The big problem with singing more songs is that the whole themed-episode thing is way more obvious and obnoxious. "Oh, this one is about hello! We will sing songs that say hello in the title!" "Here is one about dreams! These are dream songs!" Ugh.

I loved this episode - almost all songs that I liked (no Beyonce :P) and NPH was great. I was on MSN to a couple of friends who were also watching and had to explain who Neil Patrick Harris is...<shakes head in disbelief>

The songs *were* a bit 'dreamy'. Other than Piano Man - which it's really bugging me that you can't seem to get it as an MP3 download. Grrrr.
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Re: Glee

Postby Lucrece » Wed May 26, 2010 7:59 am UTC

Continuing to watch the show, I can't help to become ever more aware of just how weak some of the singers are, especially the males.

I mean, they're really bad and need to be auto-tuned to all hell.

And then you have Naya and Lea and Idina Menzel who really carry the vocals. Matthew Morrison needs to sing more, because he's the only tolerable male singer in the cast, although Kevin McHale isn't too bad either and Kurt can pull off certain genres.

Also, this episode annoyed me. The whole gay-bashing storyline came off really contrived, which is a pity. Finn never displayed any homophobia before, brushed off gently any creepy advances from Kurt. And in one episode he goes berserk and starts spewing "faggy"?

I'd be pissed too if someone I'm not attracted to kept on hammering at me creepily, and thinking as a grownass man I'd like sharing a room, especially a room that looks like something ripped off from Madame Clairvoyance's set. It's not unrequited love anymore, it's harassment. "You're such a boy." And what is Kurt, if not a boy? That line from him was stupid as fuck, considering that an episode before he was appalled at his dad not referring to his activities as "boy's activities".

There were just better ways to pull off the homophobia storyline without being too cheesy, and they didn't need to caricature "jocks" to make a point either, since it's not like Broadway and the performing arts aren't heterosexist filth-piles as well.
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Re: Glee

Postby animeHrmIne » Wed May 26, 2010 11:27 am UTC

I personally thought that Kurt was the one at fault during the Finn debacle. I wouldn't have been as homophobic about it (as I'm queer), but I do not in any way blame Finn for flipping the fuck out after the way Kurt acts. I don't blame Kurt's dad, either, I thought he was great. Kurt's been playing the hurt and innocent little boy around his dad, but he's been a manipulative jerk that someone should have sopped way before he got to this point. Frankly, there is no way of knowing what he would have done next, as he's shown no moral bounds when it comes to how he tries to get Finn.

And Finn justifiably and reasonably flips out, and is kicked out of his house for the night. And the poor kid still manages to do the right thing and help Kurt. He may be a dumb ass but at least he's not a smug little snake.
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Re: Glee

Postby Zohar » Wed May 26, 2010 5:55 pm UTC

It seems as if almost every single adult person on the show keeps making wrong decisions. I can forgive the kids - they're kids. But it gets tiresome at some point...
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Re: Glee

Postby Lucrece » Wed May 26, 2010 6:08 pm UTC

I forgot to mention, how the fuck do you go from a desperate mother seeking to meet her child, singing tragic songs about hopeful reunion, and the daughter returning the emotion, and THEN just one episode after they completely bait and switch and go "Oh, but I don't feel genuine, so I changed my mind"?

I mean, does someone who has one of her students seduce her daughter and sneak a tape just to set up a reunion sound like someone who will just easily back off? It reminds me why I struggle with the show even if I like the musical aspect-- it's PLOTTING SUCKS.
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Re: Glee

Postby InfamousAnarchist » Wed May 26, 2010 7:27 pm UTC

Lucrece wrote:I mean, does someone who has one of her students seduce her daughter

"The word I used was befriend, actually."

Sorry. I liked that line.

Anyway -- I would blame Kurt for the debacle. If he was trying to "win over" Finn, making him his, like, adopted brother is not the way to go about it. -shrugs- I get that Kurt was upset over his father hanging out with Finn all the time. But still. Weeeeeird.
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Postby Malice » Wed May 26, 2010 8:15 pm UTC

Lucrece wrote:I forgot to mention, how the fuck do you go from a desperate mother seeking to meet her child, singing tragic songs about hopeful reunion, and the daughter returning the emotion, and THEN just one episode after they completely bait and switch and go "Oh, but I don't feel genuine, so I changed my mind"?

I mean, does someone who has one of her students seduce her daughter and sneak a tape just to set up a reunion sound like someone who will just easily back off? It reminds me why I struggle with the show even if I like the musical aspect-- it's PLOTTING SUCKS.


It was the fastest, stupidest back-pedal since How I Met Your Mother. The motivations and reactions here were so retarded, they might as well have just cut to the writers going, "So, yeah, we don't really want to deal with this relationship, so we're just going to abort it right here. Pretend it never happened. And now, more singing!"
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Re: Glee

Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Fri May 28, 2010 3:35 pm UTC

Not to mention the dumbest idea for an emotional duet ever. Felt like someone just said "ok, it's the Gaga episode, so we need more than one of her songs...ok...here!" (This might be a product of my self-induced Gaga overexposure, but I may have yelled at the television a little.)

I don't think it's necessarily unrealistic to have a character who's really disappointed when their long-lost family isn't who they expected them to be. It is stupid to have these two characters with Dramatic Tendencies be so resolved about it, and wrap it all up in one episode.

The Kurt/Finn thing could have worked if somebody had been there to say "hey, Kurt? Boundaries." (Mercedes, probably) and then had Kurt apologize to Finn, too. He should be just as capable of Learning An Important Lesson as the rest of the other kids. : p (And man, for a show about the performing arts, the treatment of gay characters...you have Sandy, who's creepy, Kurt, who was sympathetic for a while but currently irredeemably manipulative, and Rachel's Two Gay Dads, who I'm perpetually disappointed that the show shows no interest in featuring as characters.)

The whole more-singing-less-talking seems to have really hurt things plotwise, and a lot of this felt poorly-executed and dead inside. I keep watching because I sincerely enjoyed most of everything up til these last few episodes, and I want my singy-dancey escapism. But this recent turn of events is not heartening :<

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Re: Glee

Postby Lucrece » Sat May 29, 2010 6:04 am UTC

Well, it is Ryan Murphy heading it, which explains the lack of coherence and consistency.

And history with gay characters too, in case you haven't seen Niptuck. Lovely examples as the gay who embraced his sexuality through enjoyment of being raped by another man. Many cringe-worthy representations of gay men.

There is a huge difference between a Kurt from Glee and a Marc and Justin from Ugly Betty. The former is just a walking pile of gay panic material, while the latter were working effeminate gay men-- well-fleshed out and characters whom with the audience can relate with.
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Re: Glee

Postby Zohar » Sat May 29, 2010 6:58 pm UTC

I would like to mention though, that Britney and Santana's relationship is one of my favorite ones in the show.
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H.E.L.e.N. wrote:the treatment of gay characters...you have Sandy, who's creepy, Kurt, who was sympathetic for a while but currently irredeemably manipulative, and Rachel's Two Gay Dads, who I'm perpetually disappointed that the show shows no interest in featuring as characters.)


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Re: Glee

Postby TommyTumnus » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:07 am UTC

Just watched the season finale, and holy shit was it good. Then again, I'm a sucker for anything Journey. I can't imagine the stupid grin that must've been on my face during that segment.

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Re: Glee

Postby Zohar » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:20 am UTC

I thought it was good too, and it handled the emotional parts well. I just thought Vocal Adrenalin's show completely sucked. They did their best to make it seem completely heartless and ridiculous.
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Re: Glee

Postby apricity » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:07 am UTC

I enjoyed the finale too (yes, I went back on my declaration that I wouldn't watch it anymore). But yeah, Vocal Adrenaline's performance was extremely boring. If I wanted to hear the original Bohemian Rhapsody, I would listen to Queen. They didn't change anything about it, except the fact that it wasn't Freddy Mercury singing it, which made it worse. Lame.

The whole time Quinn was going "let me go!" during their song, I was cracking up thinking how goddamn awkward that scene must have been to film.
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Re: Glee

Postby Alder » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:47 am UTC

Glad to hear the finale is good (we don't get it till Monday) 'cause I'd been a bit disappointed the last couple of weeks. (Too much music and too little story, maybe? Or at any rate, the music not blended well enough with the plot?)
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Re: Glee

Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:26 pm UTC

I liked Bohemian Rhapsody. Throwing some choreography into that song made it work for me.

I'd been disappointed with the few previous episodes too, and I think it's because they cared too little about being character-driven/funny/making any damn sense. But I keep watching, because when it's good, it taps into something really awesome. This one critic calls it 'radical sincerity,' and I mostly agree with him.

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Re: Glee

Postby Daojia » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:42 am UTC

Bohemian Rhapsody, in any form, is amazing. It also covered up the fastest labour of all time. I mean, really.
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Re: Glee

Postby axilog14 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:40 pm UTC

I'll concede that the finale was indeed lovely, but that too many of the episodes that preceded it got too damn unwatchable for me. I did think that once the penultimate episode of the season ("Funk") kicked off, you just knew the show was getting some of its momentum and decent writing back. It's probably because after that spell of bizarre theme choices and random side-drama, there was finally some real event (Regionals) to get the plot going again. I remember reading a reviewer somewhere (on the Onion AV Club probably) making a similar observation about the first half of the season and the similar catalyst effect Sectionals had on the show's progress.

From here I can only wonder how the next season is going to turn out... plot-wise, at least. Realistically speaking though I think I may already have a horrifying premonition of its future: Executive Meddling-riddled Franchise Zombiedom where gaggles of other network shows will attempt to ride on its success, with "fanboys" lamenting how the first (half of the) season will always remain the best, but that at least Season 4 got us that kickass Pink Floyd tribute episode.
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Re: Glee

Postby Alder » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:25 pm UTC

So, Glee is back over here in the UK. Anyone else watching again?

I missed the first episode of the season (I've yet to look it up online) and last week's Britney-themed episode left me a bit cold. I think the heavily-themed ones tend to do that generally, the songs end up just shoe-horned in any old way, and since several were dream-sequence-style they ended up just reproducing the original videos. I can imagine it must've been fun to do, but it was lazy to watch.

This week's episode annoyed me, and at the same time I really enjoyed the music. The whole "What?!?!111!! You don't believe in God, Kurt!!?1?!!?" thing drove me nuts (and I'm a religious person) and half the time I was waving at the screen and going, "Would you all just shut up and give the poor lad a hug!!"

Kurt singing "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" - that made it all worth it, though. I may have...cried.
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Re: Glee

Postby Zohar » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:45 pm UTC

I watch the episodes as they air in the US. I think this season's stories are mostly better than the previous one.
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